I'm gonna heavily disagree w/ your comment about Pitino's first teams. Farmer, Pelphrey, Feldhouse, and to an extent, Woods were all very limited in what they could do athletically. Hell, even Hanson, our most athletic player, was outclassed at his position, as a 6'7" center going up against the likes of Shaq. Those first 3 teams were just the opposite of what you described: they were highly skilled, athletically limited basketball teams. Even the addition of Mash was more of a skill gain than an athletic gain for the team. That's the reason (alongside the 110% effort they gave, night in and night out) those early teams were so fun to watch.
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I'm talking about the first recruits such as guys like Andre Riddick, Junior Braddy, etc. No, his first team was not athletic but for the first couple of seasons while we were on probation he had some no name guys until he could get the players he wanted.
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Good points but comparing recruiting to TT to recruiting to UK shouldn’t be done. It’s not clear if he could get better recruits at UK but we’d certainly hope so.
How is Cal doing against KU? Don’t know but doesn’t seem like he’s even .500 against them.
Beard is 10 times the X and O coach than Cal chooses to be but Then who isn’t. People are forever pointing out that Tubby got lazy in recruiting (not that I agree), well how about Cal being lazy in coaching? Is there anybody lazier at anything? He just doesn’t want to put in the effort.
This fall he couldn’t recruit like normal but did he spend all the extra time on Xs and Os? If he did then he’s a worse bench coach than we thot. Cal’s offense is 100% dependent on the raw talent of his recruits.
I'd hire Morgousky. He knows college ball. Then he could hire kyjeff, kyfaninnc, runnierichie, and tankedcat as assistants. I want to eat first again.
That's exactly what we will be if we replace Cal with most of these suggestions. UK also isn't what you seem to think it is. If so, we wouldn't have ended up with Sutton, Smith and BCG in our somewhat recent history.
Brad Stevens isn't coming to UK. Again, if you want to get rejected by him, be my guest, but I prefer living with the reality of the situation. Also, Steven's salary is much higher than you seem to realize. You are just accounting for his base salary. Brad Stevens signed a 6 year / $22,000,000 contract with the Boston Celtics, including an annual average salary of $3,666,667. His contract also includeds a signing bonus, a roster bonus, a restructure bonus, a workout bonus, and an incentive bonus. He is making out pretty well in Boston. Not to mention advertisement deals. He also doesn't really have to recruit year round or deal with the academic and NCAA side of things. Again, go embarrass yourself be getting rejected by him. UK will pass. Nor is he going to leave a successful Boston Celtics franchise to coach at UK. That's just stupid!
2 E8's in the last 3 tournaments and likely anothet last year tell me we aren't even close to has-been. In 10 tournament eligible seasons, Cal has had us in at least the E8 7 times. If you look at our history, we don't historically make it that far 70% of the time. Use your head!
Lol, sure it is. My brother works in law enforcement for LFUCG. It's pretty bad currently. Record homicides and violent crimes. Drug crimes are up, theft, property damage and vandalism. It's all at historic highs. You might want to tell your family to educate themselves a bit about what's going on in their community.
Yes, Lexington is growing. Growing cities tend to have growing crime. Are you honestly that ignorant to not be able to follow your own statements logically?
Yea, I stand by it. Was even more reassured after our first half yesterday. I told you when I msde that prediction we likely would lose this weekend. It all changes starting against UL. From there we have a very favorable schedule and hopefully get Brooks back. We will be just fine.
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What has he done to warrant coaching the greatest program on the planet?
There are no good coaches to take that spot. No one I am interested in at all. No one who has proven anything worthy of Kentucky. Anyone you choose is a major risk.
How many coaches can you name that are doing worse than 1-5 this year and looking at 1-6? Nevermind. Dumb question. Cal's the bestest.
So let’s just replace him with any coach that has a better record THIS year
That doesn’t change anything. None of them.....and I mean none of them have done anything to warrant getting the Kentucky job. Few, Beard, Stevens, and on and on. When Calipari was hired he had taken two no-names to the final four/championship and was winning at a high percentage. He was recruiting at the highest levels and he was the hottest name in the game of several hot named veteran coaches. Izzy, Self, K, etc.
As fans, we can’t justify getting rid of Calipari based on his record at Kentucky. Simply doesn’t make sense, none at all. His record over the last decade is unparalleled. Now, if you want to use the argument that Calipari has recently fallen off due to his philosophy or drive, that’s a different story but it will get you what we typically get as Kentucky fans.......Kentucky fans are crazy, spoiled and have unrealistic expectations. In fact, it will be even more than when they were saying it with us driving Smith out. It just doesn’t make sense......yet.
Agree to disagree that it's too early to drive Cal away. Cal has been skating by on the talents of his recruits and it's been known for awhile that that is a shortsighted gamble. He's been exposed on the x/o front. He's obviously lost control of this team, and struggled in previous years. Ultimately it's our Program that does the heavy lifting. History proves it. Cal may have been an up and comer, with vacated seasons and **** in his wake, but it was Kentucky that made Cal, not vice versa.
If they can’t recruit that well at TT, he isn’t going to magically come here and start. TT is in a talent rich state, Big 12 conference and a school willing to invest. It’s not really a school that should have a hard time getting good talent.
Cal is 5-5 against KU and 4-4 at UK.
Based on what? If he is so good, why have 3 of his 4 teams have double digit losses and his best team still had 8. He would have made the NIT 2 out of 4 years had it been played last year.
How do you know he didn’t put in the extra time? How do you know it’s not just a symptom of no exhibitions and a shorter pre-season?
Cal’s second team here wasn’t that rich on talent and still developed into a F4 team. Last years team also wasn’t that heavy on raw talent and still developed into a really good team. He also had some good teams at Umass and Memphis that weren’t the most talented players. Sometimes it’s just not the right mix of talent.
Hope it’s Beard but Buzz Williams, very under the radar guy, would do well here, he builds a very solid team a d plays a fun style
Better than what the hell we have now big man
I didn't read all of this thread... But coaches like Drew at Baylor being mentioned is laughable... Dude is not kentucky Level.
I would rather literally hire Pitino back himself in his old age then beard or few. Ole ricky could give us maybe 5 years. And don't give me the cheating BS... honestly with the way college ball is now and UNC getting off scott free and so many others ...who TF cares.
Donovan seems like a possibility but slim. Stevens isn't coming back to cbb, just stop with his name. Beard isn't better than Cal now, I'd rather keep Cal... Few isn't leaving Zags neither is Old Izzo leaving MichSt.
Basically we gotta stick with Cal two more seasons and see what happens.
Really the talk should be about firing MITCH Barnhart ...because even if Donovon/Stevens wanted to come we couldn't afford it.
...I had no clue the buyout was 60 million...that is just plain asinine/ stupid.
In the end Calipari and this team literally could have 15 loses...win the the sec tourny and make an Elite 8 and I wouldn't be surprised.
I would rather literally hire Pitino back himself in his old age then beard or few. Ole ricky could give us maybe 5 years. And don't give me the cheating BS... honestly with the way college ball is now and UNC getting off scott free and so many others ...who TF cares.
Donovan seems like a possibility but slim. Stevens isn't coming back to cbb, just stop with his name. Beard isn't better than Cal now, I'd rather keep Cal... Few isn't leaving Zags neither is Old Izzo leaving MichSt.
Basically we gotta stick with Cal two more seasons and see what happens.
Really the talk should be about firing MITCH Barnhart ...because even if Donovon/Stevens wanted to come we couldn't afford it.
...I had no clue the buyout was 60 million...that is just plain asinine/ stupid.
In the end Calipari and this team literally could have 15 loses...win the the sec tourny and make an Elite 8 and I wouldn't be surprised.
Beard has put a better Texas Tech team on the court than Cal has at Kentucky in each of the last four years. Kentucky won in overtime head to head, but that doesn’t mean much to me when it comes to evaluating who had the better season.
I didn't read all of this thread... But coaches like Drew at Baylor being mentioned is laughable... Dude is not kentucky Level.
I would rather literally hire Pitino back himself in his old age then beard or few. Ole ricky could give us maybe 5 years. And don't give me the cheating BS... honestly with the way college ball is now and UNC getting off scott free and so many others ...who TF cares.
Donovan seems like a possibility but slim. Stevens isn't coming back to cbb, just stop with his name. Beard isn't better than Cal now, I'd rather keep Cal... Few isn't leaving Zags neither is Old Izzo leaving MichSt.
Basically we gotta stick with Cal two more seasons and see what happens.
Really the talk should be about firing MITCH Barnhart ...because even if Donovon/Stevens wanted to come we couldn't afford it.
...I had no clue the buyout was 60 million...that is just plain asinine/ stupid.
In the end Calipari and this team literally could have 15 loses...win the the sec tourny and make an Elite 8 and I wouldn't be surprised.
I would rather literally hire Pitino back himself in his old age then beard or few. Ole ricky could give us maybe 5 years. And don't give me the cheating BS... honestly with the way college ball is now and UNC getting off scott free and so many others ...who TF cares.
Donovan seems like a possibility but slim. Stevens isn't coming back to cbb, just stop with his name. Beard isn't better than Cal now, I'd rather keep Cal... Few isn't leaving Zags neither is Old Izzo leaving MichSt.
Basically we gotta stick with Cal two more seasons and see what happens.
Really the talk should be about firing MITCH Barnhart ...because even if Donovon/Stevens wanted to come we couldn't afford it.
...I had no clue the buyout was 60 million...that is just plain asinine/ stupid.
In the end Calipari and this team literally could have 15 loses...win the the sec tourny and make an Elite 8 and I wouldn't be surprised.
I don't understand the fixation with Brad Stevens. He just happened to sign one great player and got the luck of the draw and made the final 4 twice in a row. Even if he came here 2/3 of this board would stroke out because he would not recruit a bunch of 5 star players. Stevens would recruit basketball players, which is what Few does and a lot of you people think his teams are crap, but that is just what type of players that Stevens would recruit. That is all a mute point though because Stevens is not going to come back and coach college basketball, and if he does it will be back in his home town and coach Butler.
These threads prove what all other fan bases think of all of us UK fans. Dumb rednecks.
Cal isn’t going anywhere (unless he chooses to do so) and there is zero reason he should go anywhere. One terrible start to a season doesn’t erase the previous 10 years of success.
He absolutely needs to adjust and change the way he does things but to think anybody that would replace him would replicate the success he has had is just ignorant.
Cal isn’t going anywhere (unless he chooses to do so) and there is zero reason he should go anywhere. One terrible start to a season doesn’t erase the previous 10 years of success.
He absolutely needs to adjust and change the way he does things but to think anybody that would replace him would replicate the success he has had is just ignorant.
He have to get that dirty bird covered up with a wildcat thats tattoo for you dirty mind posters
UK could look like that every year if that's what Cal wanted to do. No doubt in my mind.
We're missing out. I can't believe a coach gets off on draft picks and sacrifices a programs success to do it. I mean, why does he care SO much about a kid getting drafted that was already projected to get drafted before he came to UK?
Clarke and Boston suck right now, but they are lottery picks… .STILL.
I think this is pretty naive. You are falling for his marketing gimmick that stopped fooling most top high school recruits several years ago.
Why is everything a "marketing gimmick" or "coach speak" when it comes to Cal's love for the NBA draft?
Look, you would have a point if it wasn't actually coming true. Those pro days are real man. He brags about draft picks & contracts constantly and look at what happens at UK every year. It’s a mass exodus. Guys leave after their freshman or maybe sophomore year to go to the GL for Christ sake.
It ain't a gimmick when everything he says comes true.
Seen any senior day ceremonies lately?
That sounds more like a hopscotch coaching staff.
90+% of the ones wanting him fired so badly here never even went to college.
Nor played a competitive sport. Let alone coached anything. Hell, most of them will never even hold positions of leadership in their lives, yet they feel they should be offering advice and insight to a HOF coach. They think state he should change his coaching tactics and philosophy to their beliefs and liking. The ignorance, arrogance and entitlement is unreal.
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Imo it’s just not working. None of us can fix it. We just have to deal with it. Some are doing it better than others but as of now the shoe has shifted just a bit to the other foot.
Hence my final statement, His offense is based entirely on the recruits he gets. And if they’re not the right mix who’s fault us that. It’s his total approach.
Imo it’s just not working. None of us can fix it. We just have to deal with it. Some are doing it better than others but as of now the shoe has shifted just a bit to the other foot.
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His reliance on freshmen is not a marketing gimmick. But the whole “golly gee I don’t care how the season ends as long as my guys get to play in the NBA” thing has always been horseshit. And based on the way our recruiting has fallen off in recent years, it’s pretty transparent horseshit.
I wish it still worked! Cal’s biggest problem is the recruits don’t believe that line any more but our fans do. Worst of both worlds.
Do you have any idea what the Baylor basketball program was like before Drew took over?
It had one of the worst histories of any major conference program in the country. Had never won anything, was universally regarded as a joke, was on probation and dealing with severe sanctions for the incredibly ugly Bliss scandal. It was one of those graveyard jobs where it was considered nearly impossible to win.
Given those circumstances, I think it’s quite silly to knock Drew for “well, he still hasn’t reached the final four“ type reasoning. The job he’s done turning that former dumpster fire of a program into a perrenial highly ranked winner has been remarkable.
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Lol, they had 2 F4's in their history. That's 2 more than most programs. They had decent facilities, a lot of in state talent, were willing to invest and play in the Big12. Many have done more at worse.
Drew may be fine for Baylor but he would be a terrible hire for UK. He jas accomplished nothing so far at Baylor and has been in the NIT 8 times, even as recently as season before last.
Texas tech was 18-13 last season. They did not have a better season
Your a clown where are you willyAnd you did all of this without a lick of grammar? Lol, yea, I totally believe you.....
Tell all of us how accomplished you are big man. I’m all in and would love to compare degrees and financials blow hard. I’m in big man any way you want to Play clown your a keyboard tough guy with zero substance
Ohh, I'm sure you are big guy! I bet you're the most successful internet personality ever!
I was going off of pomeroy ratings, which I think are pretty solid. But it’s hard to argue that record comparison.