your post kind of reminds me of the shopping scene from Pretty Woman. "what we need here is some major sucking up".....
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There are several theories as to what was going on with a VERY small number of people. The first is that even though they tested positive, the viral particles detected in the later test may not have been viable any longer. One patient at UNMC continued to test positive in his stool samples for over 3 weeks after he had recovered.
The other more likely proposition IMO knowing what I know about lab results was that there were some laboratory errors. There is no doubt that this virus can linger in your body for weeks. If you have a faulty batch of test reagents or one crappy lab tech, it can wreck your test results. There can also be sampling error leading to negative tests when in fact the patient is still harboring the virus. I think it's a little early to be proclaiming that somebody who was completely recovered "relapsed". We'll see. There is some precedent in other mammalian Corona viruses for there to be persistently infected latent carriers for some period of time post-infection.
I just read the last page of posts in that thread. Yikes. That wasn't just a derailment. That sucker ran through the station and out in to Times square. I would say there might be a poster or two in that thread that needed a time out.Winking
I like to report Iowa trolls. Does that make me a mall cop? I was 6' but have shrunk to 5'11" due to cartilage loss.
I like to report Iowa trolls. Does that make me a mall cop? I was 6' but have shrunk to 5'11" due to cartilage loss.
I'm similar height. But I'm been hovering at a 25 year low at 150. I can finally say that I don't have to suck it in. It's not completely gone, but gone are the moobs. The love handles are hanging on for dear life.
Good heavens man. Eat some potatoes.I'm similar height. But I'm been hovering at a 25 year low at 150. I can finally say that I don't have to suck it in. It's not completely gone, but gone are the moobs. The love handles are hanging on for dear life.
According to this,, these are people who are getting symptoms again etc. Which seems to rule out testing errors, etc
Here's some actual COVID-19 info. FWIW there's a story up on Yahoo's frontpage from a "National Security Intelligence" reporter saying that there are multiple sources in our intelligence community saying that they are still looking at the virus having been accidentally released from a research lab. As I said when the first "experts" said that it was of wildlife origin, it still could have been isolated and developed in a lab after being found in wild bats. THAT would explain why China tried so desperately to conceal the problem for as long as they did.
No not really. IF they were tested and deemed virus free via a negative test then relapsed. That would still be a testing error. You can be symptom free and still have live circulating virus in your system which could make you ill again later due to some stressor. When I brought up a "testing error" as a possibility, that is one scenario I was promoting.
There are several critical moments in the flowchart of testing starting with gathering samples etc. Then there's the possibility of misidentification of samples or recording errors etc. Out-dated reagents. Contaminated test kits etc etc. Humans are involved so there are going to be f ups.
You consider it a testing error when the virus load is below the detectable levels?
This how I'm supposed to be. Most muscle I've ever had. Just a long and lean guy. I used to run a lot. Loved basketball, but couldn't run and jump. And injury prone. I had lost 50 pounds in 2015/16, but had to focus on my wife as she went down that road. Now, I'm back to myself and have lost and additional 15+ pounds (mostly fat). It's been 24 days of being good. I'm giving myself the next couple of days some leeway.
A lot of what I’m seeing is that it’s 1 of 3 things;
1. Faulty testing
2. Reactivates in a sense like chicken pox, but asymptomatic.
3. Reinfection.
Most believe it’s #1 because they are all asymptomatic. They also think it may be dormant in our cells like # 2.
You can get a cold 3 different times a year and all are not severe. So if symptoms show it won’t be as bad as it would be initially they also believe. More study is needed.
1. Faulty testing
2. Reactivates in a sense like chicken pox, but asymptomatic.
3. Reinfection.
Most believe it’s #1 because they are all asymptomatic. They also think it may be dormant in our cells like # 2.
You can get a cold 3 different times a year and all are not severe. So if symptoms show it won’t be as bad as it would be initially they also believe. More study is needed.
Theres been testing on the proteins that block the spikes of the virus. They are effective.
This isn't a seasonal scenario, there simply hasn't been enough time for that, so reinfection might occur, but remnant antibodty would immediately activate,just like any known virus to our bodies does, and likely tamp down the the effects.
Time is needed for these studies. The time it takes for antibodies to leave in sufficient numbers to create reinfection, no one knows,nor the outcomes.
Will after wuhan is no longer a 'new' virus, will it simply react like previous flus.
Will it then become less infectious with herd effects?
Is it seasonal?
Will it mutate to a less harmful and or less infectious form?
All things we just need time to answer.
The patients that the guy is talking about tested positive and exhibited symptoms of the virus. They then were treated and released after they were better and tested negative. The symptoms return after about 5 days and they have tested positive once again. These are clearly relapsed patients.
Of course there are always testing errors and false results but it’s my guess that those were already filtered out from the group that he was talking about.
And as far as I know, there is no documented case of reinfection yet. That doesn’t mean it can’t happen though
I'm hoping we have better solutions for testing, it reacts to smaller amounts, is easier to obtain, and more foolproof to run.
Then the test isn't sensitive enough. You could call that a testing error. Corona viruses aren't normally viruses that lie dormantly sequestered somewhere in undetectable levels only to re-emerge later. There's been a lot of different tests developed at a very rapid rate. Again, lab testing is only good as the test, the person taking the sample, the media used to collect the sample, the transportation to get it to the lab, the person entering the id# in to the computer and finally the tech running the sample. The first positive case in NE Nebraska turned out to be a false positive. There are quite a few variables that can affect the accuracy of lab results.
And to a fellow B1G TEN football player none the less! I like these stories.
What are you talking about. I haven't seen more that 2 in the last 2 weeks. Oh wait. I haven't been on here for about 3 weeks.
