All I know is that Wallace gives you the same level of ball handling, far better shooting, and far better defense. That’s clear at this point.
Wheeler.
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What is up with people that can't run back the St Pete game.
1. Wheeler had 6 T0s...and 3 down the stretch of last 5 minutes
2. Also the St Pete guard had 27 pts and abused Wheeler and TyTy the entire game on defensive end....along with the white kid with the porn stache who lit up Grady.
3. Wheeler was scared out of his pants at the FT line...total choke job at the line.
Wheeler was a huge part of the St Pete disaster behind Grady and TyTy....I had no problem with Mintz in that game to be honest.
| BENCH | MIN | FG | 3PT | FT | OREB | DREB | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF | PTS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| STARTERS | MIN | FG | 3PT | FT | OREB | DREB | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF | PTS |
| O. TshiebweF | 43 | 11-16 | 0-0 | 8-12 | 6 | 10 | 16 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 30 |
| K. Brooks Jr.F | 29 | 2-7 | 0-1 | 4-5 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 8 |
| T. Washington Jr.G | 32 | 2-10 | 1-2 | 0-0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 5 |
| S. WheelerG | 39 | 4-8 | 1-2 | 2-5 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 4 | 11 |
| K. GradyG | 40 | 1-9 | 1-7 | 5-6 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 |
| J. ToppinF | 16 | 3-3 | 0-0 | 3-4 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 9 |
| L. WareF | 2 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| D. MintzG | 24 | 3-7 | 1-3 | 1-3 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 8 |
| TEAM | 26-61 | 4-15 | 23-35 | 14 | 22 | 36 | 18 | 6 | 6 | 13 | 17 | 79 |
Wheeler was 4-8 from the field. Tyty was 2-10. Wheeler did have 6 turnovers. But he did have 6 assists. Tyty had 2 turnovers, but only 1 assist… Tyty also got beat many times on back door cuts (along with Mintz). So I’ll ask again who was better? Look at the numbers. People talk about turnovers but fail to mention assists. And fail to mention he was 50% from the floor why Tyty was 2-10 and Grady was 1-9…. Yeah they were much worse then Wheeler.
Sure he missed big free throws. But if the rest of the guards weren’t so bad both offensively and defensively, it wouldn’t have come down to that.
But it’s a new season and Wheeler is a stud pg. lucky to have him
So he doesn't shoot the 3 well, so what. Wayne Turner shot ,319 from 3 in his career and he led us to 3 title games.If you have good shooters the 3 is not that important, pushing the basketball, distribution g the ball and running the offense is the point t guardsprimary job ,and Wheeler does that exceedingly well. T he fans. OBSESSION with his 3 point shooting is mystifying.. Granted last years team WAS NOT a good 3 point shooting team. IMO this year's is, Wheeler will thrive with this lineup
Good thing you don’t have any basketball knowledge
We know that Grady & TyTy were playing hurt, too, right? It was said that Grady had to crawl inside the locker room after the game, or something along those lines. Point is, he hurt too badly to even walk right. That bs is what makes the Sharpe situation even more infuriating. But, it’s amazing how ppl will trash two injured players, gutting it out, in order to prop up Wheeler. TyTy & Grady had an excuse for playing poorly. And, with 6 TOs to match his 6 assists, bad defense & FT misses, I don’t understand why Wheeler gets a pass & supposedly didn’t hurt us.
Geez...Wheeler is a stud PG? You can't be realistic.
- Wheeler is decent PG but he's not a stud and he's got major warts. Playing him 30 mpg is going to get you beat in good teams in NCAA.
- I'm not defending TyTy or Grady in St Pete game....they were both bad....and both hurt but that is besides the point. But Wheeler choked in St Pete game in 2nd half and 6 TO is terrible for a PG in not a high possession game. I still don't get the Mintz blame...he was a back up guard who hit 3 of 7 shots.....he was not awful.
He lead the SEC in assists the last 2 years..and played well against good teams..I dont know what more you want.
Just don't let him even attempt anymore 3's and we'll be punching our ticket to the Final 4.
The rest of his game is SOLID!!!
The rest of his game is SOLID!!!
If Wheeler can reign in his aggression at the right time and make better decisions he's a great asset to us. When he get's out of control it usually leads to runout baskets for the other team and those kind of 4 point swings can kill you in a tight game.
Im assuming you are talking about the St. Peters game and if so then please go watch that game back as that was quite literally not how they were defending him at all.
This x100. Some guy was arguing a couple days ago saying Wheeler got abused on the defensve end by that guard who had like 27 so I went and watched all the baskets he scored. All of them where on a combination of Tyty, Grady, and Mintz. They collectively played one of the worst perimeter defense of games I have seen in a while.
Wallace was the better player (IMO) overall in the 4 games that I watched. Wheeler was 0/9 from 3 pt. Most of his points came from layups, to which he will see zone when in games that count. Yes, he is fast, but sometimes he plays too fast and out of control and least to unnecessary TOs. Agree...off the bench is better for him.
Turner was like the 10th man on the 96 team, so no, he did not "lead us to 3 title games".
While I agree that shooting/making 3's is not the PG's primary responsibility, the game has changed since the 90's, and so it is probably 3rd or 4th on the list.
But I've been saying that Wheeler is good when the guys on the court with him are good (playing good). And when they struggle, then he tried to do things he can't or shouldn't do, and starts to play bad. He's not a guy who can go get you a basket when you need one. And that's ok, as long as we have a couple guys on the court with him who can, because he can be good at getting them the ball in positions to score.
Well, here we go again. You're wrong of course, and the stats prove it beyond any reasonable doubt. He was a Cousy Award finalist last season, which means that group believes he was in the top 5 of all pgs last season. He has led the SEC in assists per game the last 2 seasons, at UK last year and at Georgia the previous year. In that same time period, he has led ALL major conference players in assists per game. He is 2nd on UK's all time list in assists per game.
So, you're foolish if you believe it would be wise to sit him for his senior season. Only a complete moron would do that.
This is no slight against Cason Wallace, who is a combo guard and will start alongside Wheeler at the 2, and move over to point when Wheeler goes out. He is looking to have an excellent season as well and brings another completely different set of valuable skills to the table.
Wheeler will start and get the vast majority of minutes at point guard for the team. Thank goodness the opinions of people on this board, who have found their whipping boy for this season, matter exactly zero.
Aside from all this, if you can see with your own eyes, and it was true all last season and also in the Bahamas, the offense is on another level when Wheeler is on the floor. He puts tremendous pressure on defenses and nearly always finds open shooters. Someone is getting an open shot. If they make them, we win. This will be my only post in this thread, because I will not waste anymore time on this imbecilic argument.
So, you're foolish if you believe it would be wise to sit him for his senior season. Only a complete moron would do that.
This is no slight against Cason Wallace, who is a combo guard and will start alongside Wheeler at the 2, and move over to point when Wheeler goes out. He is looking to have an excellent season as well and brings another completely different set of valuable skills to the table.
Wheeler will start and get the vast majority of minutes at point guard for the team. Thank goodness the opinions of people on this board, who have found their whipping boy for this season, matter exactly zero.
Aside from all this, if you can see with your own eyes, and it was true all last season and also in the Bahamas, the offense is on another level when Wheeler is on the floor. He puts tremendous pressure on defenses and nearly always finds open shooters. Someone is getting an open shot. If they make them, we win. This will be my only post in this thread, because I will not waste anymore time on this imbecilic argument.
Your point guard cannot be your worst 3 point shooter if you want to win a national title. It’s that simple.
Hell no, I don't know. Even if he weren't starting he would be a great asset. He led the SEC in assists the past two years, no small feat.
The truth according to who? You? Sounds like you are smarter than Cal, where are you coaching next year?
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Glad to finally see somebody say it, point blank - straight up. Obviously, I agree.
Yep, we are better with him on the bench. And even better with him in the game.
I am glad you are smarter than me, I keep wasting time on these dumb posts.
For the four games in the Bahamas wheeler shot 83% from two point range and 0% from three. If I'm the coach I tell him shoot the three till you miss then shut it down if you do.
My goodness, 83% from two point range, wonder why that is ignored so often?
Wheeler won't get the easy layups he got from the Bahamas. Teams will just pack it in and dare him to shoot. That 83% from two will be meaningless.
Wheeler is our best option at PG.
Cason Wallace could be a ways down the road but by then it wouldn't benefit the team as a whole to switch him there over Sahvir.
Cason Wallace could be a ways down the road but by then it wouldn't benefit the team as a whole to switch him there over Sahvir.
I'm sorry for forming my own opinion. I didn't realize that everyone's opinion had to be the same as yours. I take it you own this board?
Just pointing out how wrong you were about Allen. So you saying Wheeler is terrible might be a blessing.
I hope they do pack it in. That would be an ideal situation in my opinion.