Whatever it takes - Schiano
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If you don't think Ash will won one why is it so important that Schiano didnt? Its an incredibly stupid arguement.
Amazing that so many of you so called fans know RU's future. We will only win 8 a year and occasionally get to ten if we are really lucky and the rest of the league sucks. If that's the way you feel why are you here? Go away. I know we may never be a perennial elite favorite for the NC but to think that, over time and with this area from which to recruit, we can't put together a perennial highly competitive team that can occasionally compete for the division and league championship is ridiculous. The potential is here. Just because these two years have been bad is not an eternal death sentence.
What is incredibly stupid is the straw man argument that you are drawing up. You are attacking Ash in defense of Schiano. I did not draw a comparison between the two, only that I do not share the belief that Schiano is a great coach.
Pretty good yes, but not great. Certainly not the next person I want as our HC.
I cant see Ash being the answer. Hopefully he proves me wrong.As of now he dosent Coach to win games. His game calls vrs Washington to 'not lose by alot" and again vrs Nebraska are of a concern .
Fourth down down 10 pts four mins to go in game,he punts Saturday.? Then todays statement at presser:make it a game..or Win Coach?
Ryan Dunleavy@rydunleavy 3h3 hours ago
Ash: Our plan going into the #Huskers game was to make it a 4-quarter game and that's what we did. Disappointed we didn't win. #Rutgers
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Fourth down down 10 pts four mins to go in game,he punts Saturday.? Then todays statement at presser:make it a game..or Win Coach?
Ryan Dunleavy@rydunleavy 3h3 hours ago
Ash: Our plan going into the #Huskers game was to make it a 4-quarter game and that's what we did. Disappointed we didn't win. #Rutgers
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Schiano never won a conference title against inferior competition
the students won't even know who Schiano was he was gone before they were high school
yes what the program looks like After Schiano couldn't win a conference championship and abandoned his program because he couldn't get it done SMH
because people are comparing Schiano who coached our team in a far inferior conference yet still couldn't win a championship, and thinking Ash sucks because he is in year 2 in the toughest conference in football. Bunch of hypocritical morons
This is one that always gets me. He didn't leave the program because he couldn't win. He left because he actually did such a good job that only one of 32 NFL franchises decided to make him a head coach (with a huge increase in salary).
Fill me in. I'm sure he wasn't happy with the support and the fact that it looked like we had missed out on the conference re-alignment but that was all on his end, right? Was there a movement inside the AD office (or the school) to push him out? I'm seriously asking because I never heard that and my post was in response to someone claiming that he only left because he apparently decided he could never win a conference championship when he was here.
Schiano didn't win one in the Big (L)East. Ash won't win one in the B1G East. Kinda a gigantic difference, yeah?
Not sure I understand your question. I'm not trying to be obtuse. We know that he only lasted 2 years in the NFL but we also know that the program faded after GS left.
In his first 14 games?
Schiano was 0-14 in Big East Play his first two years and beat Buffalo, Navy and Army.
Tim had access to confidential information which he would share with Greg. For starters Mr. Pernetti was on shaky ground and and funds were going to become real real tight at Rutgers. I'm not saying this is why he left but it certainly was a concern.
Which is exactly my point. Killing Ash in less than 2 seasons and killing Schiano for not winning a conference is incredibly stupid. Schiano was the best thing that ever happened for Rutgers D1 football. Calling for Ash to be fired now is mind boggling.
People are debating about GS never winning the conference or beating WVU.
Meanwhile, our current HC lost to EMU and a pitiful Nebraska team.
Serious question guys. Had Schiano been hired in 2015, would we have won a B1G game? What would our record be this season?
Also, yeah Schiano had WTF games, he also beat a hell of a lot of teams better than EMU and 2017 Nebraska.
Schiano beat MSU, last year we got stomped by an even worse version 49-0.
Could go on. By the end of this if Schiano wants this job is my guess he will have it. Hobbs can't risk an empty stadium and 1-11 is the current trajectory.
Meanwhile, our current HC lost to EMU and a pitiful Nebraska team.
Serious question guys. Had Schiano been hired in 2015, would we have won a B1G game? What would our record be this season?
Also, yeah Schiano had WTF games, he also beat a hell of a lot of teams better than EMU and 2017 Nebraska.
Schiano beat MSU, last year we got stomped by an even worse version 49-0.
Could go on. By the end of this if Schiano wants this job is my guess he will have it. Hobbs can't risk an empty stadium and 1-11 is the current trajectory.
Sign me up for 5 wins in year 3 and most other rational fans /alums would say the ship is being righted ...if you RU31trap expected more in the conditions Ash came into then you are not too bright...sure we all would love 6-7 wins this year and 8-9+ in year 3 but that was NEVER going to happen.
He also lost to a lot worse teams than EMU and Nebraska.
I don't see the point of your post.
My point is that I think with Schiano we wouldn't be headed for a 1 win season.
Yes the program Ash inherited was bad, it wasn't as bad as what GS inherited.
I am not expecting to beat Michigan or tOSU but we have lost literally every close game and there is just no excuse for losing 49-0 to a 4 win team or losing to EMU or this caliber of Nebraska. It's not all talent.
He beat a lot of teams better than EMU and 2017 Nebraska when he had the talent to do so. Had Schiano had been hired in 2015 we still would be working with the same talent and the results would be the same or near the same.
What makes you think we have much better talent then EMU? We certainly don't have better talent than Nebraska.
OK since I'm not too bright and unrealistic, I'll ask you the following question. Where is your breaking point? When do you come to the realization that he may not be a good coach or in over his head? Crickets.
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So...do you not contribute any losses from last year till now on coaching?
EMU, recruiting rankings. Nebraska is just really bad. They have a lot of issues, but that game was for the taking.
Yeah it was a close game. We still won. Remember winning close games? That was nice. We're not only getting curbstomped by the good teams, but finding ways to blow leads against awful opponents now. I guess it's interesting for non-fans to watch but not me.
We are starting a QB who was third string on another team and has not played consistently since he was in high school. Our backups consist of a freshman and a player who had no FBS offers. Our OL has 3 players on the 2 deep who had no P5 offers. We have two starters at LB who have 1 P5 offers between them. We have mid level MAC / AAC talent. We have one play maker at WR, who is coming off of a broken ankle.
We have been in two games against 1 traditional power and 1 current top 10. We lost one game by three points to a mid level MAC team, with a 5th year starter QB who was clearly more talented than our QB.
So you asked do I attribute any of our loses to coaching? My answer is I don't know, because our talent is so poor that it's hard to tell. Of all of the games we have lost over the past two seasons, I can only point to EMU where we may have had better talent, but that is debatable.
Hmm. Minnesota? Maybe MSU, not on paper, but they were quite bad.
I agree, Washington was respectable as a loss goes, but the last two are warning signs. I'd gladly eat my words if we beat a few B1G teams...but I don't see it. Do you?
Well, let's do the analysis - Ash took over a dumpster fire on and off the field and these anal sphincters want him out after 16 games. Schiano comes here today, given the fact that the off field stuff has been addressed and resolved and he would be inheriting somewhat better players - I would say he has until the end of the year before they turn on him. On the outside, Ten games is all he should get based on what they have given Ash. Seems fair enough
Fourspot: "Probably doesn't help that compared to Schiano, Ash has the charisma of a potato. No wins, boring personality = not likable."
Yep, kind of like the personality of Belichek.
Yep, kind of like the personality of Belichek.