What is worse.........

LetsGoDuke301

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Understood, but the tenor of that title seems to indicate that both are really bad. If my positivity is over the top, I'm happy to tone it back.
I was more talking about the people who get extremely defensive over someone that has a different opinion and the ones who are extremely negative without logical reasoning. Obviously there is nothing wrong with being positive. We all need some positivity in ours lives, right?
 

dukedevilz

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I honestly feel comfortable with this team as long as we can limit the turnovers and get Grayson more involved. Nobody has a higher ceiling than us... Everyone talks up UVA's defense, which is legitimate, no doubt. But didn't we shoot something like 55% in the 2nd half? If we can play marginally decent defense, then I think we have an excellent shot at a final four appearance.
 
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dukiejay

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Marvin is far and away our best player, but I've thought for the last month a few things have happened....1) our guys do too much Marvin-watching, and 2) Marvin, who isn't a great passer, often times isn't even looking to make the pass.

He's a great scorer, but he has a tendency to force sometimes. He has to dial that back.

I would agree with the assessment that I'm amazed at how few open looks Gary and Grayson are getting, specifically Grayson.

We have three areas right now that I think prevent us from doing anything special (notice I said right now, not long term)....1) while we're taking steps and becoming better defensively, there's still a long, long ways to go, 2) we don't value possessions at all....without a drastic cut in our number of turnovers, we just won't win six in a row when it matters, and 3) free throws....I've said we're a capable free throw shooting team, because Marvin and Wendell can and have had good games from there, but there averages are still their averages....if we're not better from the free throw line we're going to lose more close games and probably our season will be partly to blame for it, as well
 
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Marvin is far and away our best player, but I've thought for the last month a few things have happened....1) our guys do too much Marvin-watching, and 2) Marvin, who isn't a great passer, often times isn't even looking to make the pass.

He's a great scorer, but he has a tendency to force sometimes. He has to dial that back.

I would agree with the assessment that I'm amazed at how few open looks Gary and Grayson are getting, specifically Grayson.

We have three areas right now that I think prevent us from doing anything special (notice I said right now, not long term)....1) while we're taking steps and becoming better defensively, there's still a long, long ways to go, 2) we don't value possessions at all....without a drastic cut in our number of turnovers, we just won't win six in a row when it matters, and 3) free throws....I've said we're a capable free throw shooting team, because Marvin and Wendell can and have had good games from there, but there averages are still their averages....if we're not better from the free throw line we're going to lose more close games and probably our season will be partly to blame for it, as well

You've been saying it all along and while we did perform better at the line on Saturday, we dropped the ball late in the game and missed the ones we really needed. For some reason it seems like Grayson(and everyone else) misses the front end of every 1 and 1, but he still has a 85% clip. The turnovers are killing us. Plain and simple we have to take care of the ball better. At least half of the turnovers were unforced, elementary level turnovers. It boggles my mind how immature we can look in stretches. Then again, if you watch us in the last 5 minutes of most of our close games, you'd think we are an NBA team. The inconsistency is just perplexing. If we play hard and smart for 40 minutes, I don't think anyone in the nation can beat us. Which leads me to believe we will perform very well in the ACCT and NCAAT, because they'll know it's win or go home.
 
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IPSYCHOSIS

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I get annoyed ....or did hahah bye ...by the same group of poster police that rarely contribute to a topic, and consistently try to belittle , (troll) then calls poster a troll for giving an approiate opinion to the (topic )and give Inappropriate or highly hyprocritc remarks.. the exact same thing their wining about, (just to a poster) and get away with it....but that’s just me...or was...hahahah I mean Relax. You post a topic be prepared for (people’s) opinions on the matter! my god.....it’s ok to attack a poster and try to create drama but not have an opinion on Duke and stay on topic?.....shouldn’t have to sugarcoat it. It’s one thing to disagree and say ur point, opinion, whatever , but to attack someone, and give it is weak, and to troll, then call the poster a troll is out of this world funny as doo doo.i was bored in no way bothering me anymore on to NC....I know I know u hate me...
 
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HuffyJB

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Marvin is far and away our best player, but I've thought for the last month a few things have happened....1) our guys do too much Marvin-watching, and 2) Marvin, who isn't a great passer, often times isn't even looking to make the pass.

He's a great scorer, but he has a tendency to force sometimes. He has to dial that back.

I would agree with the assessment that I'm amazed at how few open looks Gary and Grayson are getting, specifically Grayson.

We have three areas right now that I think prevent us from doing anything special (notice I said right now, not long term)....1) while we're taking steps and becoming better defensively, there's still a long, long ways to go, 2) we don't value possessions at all....without a drastic cut in our number of turnovers, we just won't win six in a row when it matters, and 3) free throws....I've said we're a capable free throw shooting team, because Marvin and Wendell can and have had good games from there, but there averages are still their averages....if we're not better from the free throw line we're going to lose more close games and probably our season will be partly to blame for it, as well

All very accurate concerns. The one that bothers me the most is the free throw shooting. I think the team is capable of adequate defense, and before St. John's, they were showing some progress there. Maybe the St. John's mess was the product of a bunch of freshmen in a trap game. We'll see. They have a ways to go there, but at least they were marginally "trending." But the FT shooting is disconcerting, and even more so because they have been particularly bad in big spots. If they bow out early, I see that as being a big reason.
 

LetsGoDuke301

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All very accurate concerns. The one that bothers me the most is the free throw shooting. I think the team is capable of adequate defense, and before St. John's, they were showing some progress there. Maybe the St. John's mess was the product of a bunch of freshmen in a trap game. We'll see. They have a ways to go there, but at least they were marginally "trending." But the FT shooting is disconcerting, and even more so because they have been particularly bad in big spots. If they bow out early, I see that as being a big reason.
Turnovers on offense is what made our defense look bad. That and the 50/50 plays that Duke typically wins seemed to go their way. Those two elements can make a defense look really bad.

IMO, turnovers are the first thing Duke needs to fix, followed by FTs and getting back to 40% offensive rebounding.
 

Mac9192

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The way we fix it is simple to say. Our 4 freshmen should not be worried about getting their points, just so as long as the team gets the W. Coach K's presser after the St Johns game sums up the general thinking of the one and done.
They truly thru Feb 3rd haven't put the team over their own goals. Grayson is struggling too because of his teammates.
 
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