Know all about quadrants in geometry, but when did this term enter CBB in terms of good wins, etc? I've seen it thrown around on here a few times lately but don't remember it in years past.
What is Quadrant....
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It's the word the creepy dude & Duke dotards on ESPN have come up with to promote their favorite teams & conferences.
How many quad one wins do we have? I just saw where Michigan st has only two top 50 wins lol.
As of today -
UK is 3-7 vs. Quadrant 1 teams
Page 18
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats Library/Feb. 18, 2018 Team Sheets.pdf
At a quick glance, looks like we've played more quadrant 1 and 2 games than anyone but Kansas.
Also have no losses lower than quadrant 2.
Not a great resume, but a fairly "safe" resume, I would think.
Also have no losses lower than quadrant 2.
Not a great resume, but a fairly "safe" resume, I would think.
This new system was designed to reward you for winning road and neutral site games....almost as if they knew that officiating on the road is so horrendous you have to be 10 points better to win.
Basically it works like this:
Quadrant 1 games are (A) against teams in the top 30 at home; (B) against teams in the top 75 on the road; or (C) teams in the top 50 on a neutral site.
Quadrant 2 games are (A) against teams ranked between 31 and 75 at home; (B) against teams ranked between 76 and 135 on the road; or (C) teams ranked between 51 and 100 on a neutral site.
And so on and so forth. All of the team rankings are based on RPI.
Exactly. No bad losses, few great wins. Pretty safe as you say. Probably a 6-8 seed right now.
When they make the brackets which means it’ll likely shift some before tournament time
Except the selection committee can fudge the numbers how they want to in order to boost their darlings, I.e, Duke
The biggest issues with this method are that RPI can and does change so drastically, and that quadrants are too wide.
Equating a home win against the 30th ranked team in the RPI to a road victory against the number one team in the country is dumb. Especially when, by the very nature of wins and losses, beating teams automatically makes them a less valuable win.
So a team can have 4 quadrant 1 wins that are all just beating above average teams at home, whereas another team can have 2 wins on the road or neutral courts against top 5 opponents and the selection committee will just factor in the number.
Equating a home win against the 30th ranked team in the RPI to a road victory against the number one team in the country is dumb. Especially when, by the very nature of wins and losses, beating teams automatically makes them a less valuable win.
So a team can have 4 quadrant 1 wins that are all just beating above average teams at home, whereas another team can have 2 wins on the road or neutral courts against top 5 opponents and the selection committee will just factor in the number.
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Lol, that sounds about right. Put Mich St., Arizona, UNC and UK in the West
It is an improvement in a way to analyze the win/lose data, and frame it in a single understandable statistic. It's not perfect, but better than what has been done in the past. For example games vs the 75th & 76th ranked teams may put you in different quadrants, but are those 2 teams really different (no).
As for the home/road split. About 10 years ago, while writing a statistical analysis program to rank all 300+ teams, I researched and found that if you look at just conference games, that the home team wins about 63% of the time, giving the home team a +13% chance of winning (over a 50/50 coin flip). Why only look at conference games? Because those are generally home&home games, or at least on average games which aren't played more at the better team's arena; whereas non-conf games are generally played at the better team's arena (we/UK don't play AT Morehead or AT Montana). I used that 13% in my predictive modeling/ranking program, and then assumed neutral court games to be 50/50, and "semi-neutral court" games (e.g. UK playing Vermont in Louisville) as 1/2 way between home & neutral.
Do you really want a bunch of bias humans sitting in a room deciding it?
I'll take my chances with the computers.
Yeah any time your binning things together, you're always going to run into that.
My only hope is that they aren't just looking at records for each quad but also looking WITHIN each quad to see where the wins are.
It's a lot different to beat the number 1 team at home vs the number 25 team at home. They would still be same quad 1 wins but no one would ever argue they are equal.
And of course the second issue is the RPI. But hey least now they have on the team sheets SIX different metrics. Still binning teams by RPI but we are making progress here.
These are legit too they have tons of losses but they actually won some quad 1 games something we can't seem to do.
They won @ A&M (we couldn't) they won at Arkansas (will we ?)
They also beat A&M and Arkansas and Missouri at home currently all top 30 RPI teams.
I’ll just sit here and stare at your avatar and hope for your sake, your wife is her twin sister.
Stop with the "we" nonsense. You've never seemed to make comments about when "we" are doing something well.
You also don't get to have 12 different teams in your avi and claim them all for your own. How bout you start by dropping UK?
So, which team will you be rooting for in the tournament? Xavier , UK or Ohio State ?
Kinda strange/ bandwagon-y.
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Yep..........if only there was a place you could go to find out information about all sorts of topics lol jk
I did. Glanced quickly thru a page or two and it was all about math, geometry, etc. Didn't spend a lot of time on it so I might have missed it. So I decided to throw it on here since I don't recall ever seeing a discussion on it, but I might have missed (whenever they came up with this new metric).
And, most posters have offered quality answers which I appreciate..and a few comedians too that I got a chuckle out of.