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This would be a tough scenario in terms of fandom, but I'd still be a Cardinals fan myself also. I'm the same way about the history, but if the team relocated to Kentucky, a team like the Orioles, who were the St. Louis Browns for 50 years or something, they would have that history still in theory. Interestingly, there was a Louisville Colonels team in the MLB in the 1800s, featuring Honus Wagner even, but the team was cannibalized by the Pittsburgh Pirates owner.

I don't think it would count as being a bandwagon fan though if they moved to our state. Bandwagon fans to me, are like the Cubs fans that were all of a sudden everywhere once they were good in 2015, or Red Sox fans a few years ago.

well the bandwagon thing was in response to him saying if they’d win multiple championships, would I then convert.

It does bring a little different element to me if an old franchise were to move here. I would still be a Reds fan through and through. Personally hoping the Orioles stay put. If they want to move a franchise start with the Rays to Nashville/Charlotte/Montreal then Oakland to Vegas. We do not need expansion in MLB although it looks inevitable
 

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What if they win the World Series 3 straight and 4 in 5 while the Reds finish in their traditional place?
It would just piss me off because it would emphasize how long it's been since the Reds have been competitive, and here an upstart is kicking ***...
 

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Same. Grew up going to STL. STL fans back to my great grandparents. Huge collector of cards as well. Favorite player Griffey, but only collect him in Seattle. 90’s kid he’ll always be a Mariner to me don’t shoot. Griffey, Ozzie, Musial, and Mantle. A team surrounded by those would be some cray ****.

nothing like spring training. I remember being a kid and staying in St. Petersburg Fla chasing down Ozzie Smith and Todd Zeil to get autos.

Love kentucky sports, but there’s nothing like baseball.
Ozzie Smith...I did love watching that dude play.

We had a cat that hung with my group back in high school (i'm not even going to call him a buddy; I didn't care much for him then and less now) who was a complete ***-clown. Didn't know a line-drive from a pop-up and couldn't name a single pro-player in any sport other than Ozzie Smith for the cards. "You know...he does a back-flip before every game. A back-flip!"
 
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Joey earned his money. Top 10 1B of all time. Absolutely the greatest Reds 1B. Its easy to complain now that hes getting money he was promised years ago when he was in his prime. I may be young but theres something to be said in this day and age for a "company" to make a promise to its employees and doing right by said employee and honoring that agreement.

No, Im not advocating doing so to the "company's" detriment. A better example of what youre going on about was Homer Bailey.
Not to take anything from Votto, but give me the 'Big Dog"...Tony Perez
 
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I was on board up until the UK basketball reference...I would trade in all of MLB if it was either/or between them and UK basketball.

that’s fair, this is a UK board lol. I just love everything about MLB and the Reds, I’m a diehard. I used to be a diehard UK basketball fan but I’ve honestly been more casual the past couple years. Trying to get back into it now, that’s why I’ve been on here a lot more recently than I have in years
 

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Tough question there. I’m a big Nationals fan myself and I don’t see myself giving up that fandom ever but I also want a professional team in Kentucky to cheer for. For me it would probably go like this...

Support the Kentucky MLB team except when they play the Nats.
 

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It would be great to get a MLB team in Kentucky. I would support them and pull for them until they played the Cardinals. I have been a STL Cardinal fan since I was 8 years old.
No. I've been a Bravos fan since Hank Aaron days. Also, Nashville or Indy will get a MLB team before Lexington. Sadly, covid has probably set everything back for several years.
 

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No. I've been a Bravos fan since Hank Aaron days. Also, Nashville or Indy will get a MLB team before Lexington. Sadly, covid has probably set everything back for several years.
Would love for Indy to get a team. I love going to our Indians games. Indy would love a team, but I'd still be a Cubs fan.
 

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that would be sickening. I really like when a guy plays his entire career with 1 franchise. Hope Votto does it, hope Yadi And Wainwright do it

Im with ya. Pujols made the biggest mistake of his career and he’s not over it and either am I. All 3 you named will retire in place imo
 
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Ozzie Smith...I did love watching that dude play.

We had a cat that hung with my group back in high school (i'm not even going to call him a buddy; I didn't care much for him then and less now) who was a complete ***-clown. Didn't know a line-drive from a pop-up and couldn't name a single pro-player in any sport other than Ozzie Smith for the cards. "You know...he does a back-flip before every game. A back-flip!"

Miss those days. He was the ultimate kids baseball player. Ozzie auto’s are just now becoming valuable because he signed so much for kids. I’ve got autographed cards of his that are of him signing autos. Lol.

I got so sick of Jeter being called the best defensive shortstop in history once Ozzie retired. There’s not a person on planet earth who can watch Ozzie play short and call anyone better. His athletic ability at short was mind blowing.
 

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What if

Cal had a brother who was a baseball fanatic and coached the Batcats? Jim Calipari.

And to make matters worse, they win a World Series in their expansion year and kentucky wins the title in basketball same year?

Who’s gonna fold?
 

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Im with ya. Pujols made the biggest mistake of his career and he’s not over it and either am I. All 3 you named will retire in place imo
If I'm a Cardinals fan, I'd be happy about Pujols. He gave you his best years, and would you be wanting to pay that contract for what he's putting out now without the juice?
 

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Miss those days. He was the ultimate kids baseball player. Ozzie auto’s are just now becoming valuable because he signed so much for kids. I’ve got autographed cards of his that are of him signing autos. Lol.

I got so sick of Jeter being called the best defensive shortstop in history once Ozzie retired. There’s not a person on planet earth who can watch Ozzie play short and call anyone better. His athletic ability at short was mind blowing.
This is gospel truth. Ozzie Smith is the paragon of excellence at shortshop. No, excellence is not really enough. And I'm a Braves fan. I'll give Jeter his due, but Ozzie is from another planet defensively and held his own at the plate.
 
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I am an Indians fan and I would cheer for a Kentucky baseball team. When they play the Indians I would be happy either way. A pro basketball team would do better but I just about hate the NBA now.
 
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What is this Baseball you speak of?
 

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I've been a Cubs fan for 40+ years. Through the good and the bad, (mostly bad). It would be tough to change my fandom of a team. An instate team would probably be a close second.
 
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Tony was a good player who had the good fortune of playing on the BRM. If he had played on a average to crappy team all those years, he would be remembered as a slightly above average 1st baseman (not a great one). I like Tony, but I'd take Votto all day long.

I agree Votto is a better player, he is elite at getting on base. Perez was the heart and soul of the BRM, never could make it back to the WS without him
 
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If I'm a Cardinals fan, I'd be happy about Pujols. He gave you his best years, and would you be wanting to pay that contract for what he's putting out now without the juice?

I get that, but we have another World Series had been stayed put. We were Pujols short of him winning his 3rd, and he’d have a statue next to Stan Musial right now. He blew it and it cost us the history. And he blew his history as well.

It doesn’t get better in baseball than Ozzie, Musial, Pujols, and Yadi statues. Some might say Yankees, but only through the early years. You just don’t give that up.
 
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I get that, but we have another World Series had been stayed put. We were Pujols short of him winning his 3rd, and he’d have a statue next to Stan Musial right now. He blew it and it cost us the history. And he blew his history as well.

It doesn’t get better in baseball than Ozzie, Musial, Pujols, and Yadi statues. Some might say Yankees, but only through the early years. You just don’t give that up.

just talking statues..Bench, Larkin, Rose, Morgan, Frank Robinson, Votto is pretty strong
 

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Tony was a good player who had the good fortune of playing on the BRM. If he had played on a average to crappy team all those years, he would be remembered as a slightly above average 1st baseman (not a great one). I like Tony, but I'd take Votto all day long.
Bingo.
 

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just talking statues..Bench, Larkin, Rose, Morgan, Frank Robinson, Votto is pretty strong

Not a bad display for sure.

All of ours are actually Stan Musial, Enos Slaughter, Dizzy Dean, Rogers Hornsby, Red Schoendienst, Lou Brock, Bob Gibson, Jack Buck, Ozzie Smith, Yadier Molina ( going up soon). I’d say by far the best statues outside of New York and better then the Yankees since 1980.

And Pujols would be there had he stayed put which makes me furious because it was going next to Stan the man.

Just pisses me off. I love baseball history and as a cardinal guy it still hurts knowing what he screwed up.
 
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Not a bad display for sure.

All of ours are actually Stan Musial, Enos Slaughter, Dizzy Dean, Rogers Hornsby, Red Schoendienst, Lou Brock, Bob Gibson, Jack Buck, Ozzie Smith, Yadier Molina ( going up soon). I’d say by far the best statues outside of New York and better then the Yankees since 1980.

And Pujols would be there had he stayed put which makes me furious because it was going next to Stan the man.

Just pisses me off. I love baseball history and as a cardinal guy it still hurts knowing what he screwed up.

strong for sure. You can also throw HOFers Edd Roush, Bid McPhee, Eppa Rixey, and Ernie Lombardi for the Reds as well.

I was glad when Pujols left, my god what a machine. I’d love (hate) to see his numbers against the Reds in those years. Sure it wouldn’t be hard to find
 

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just talking statues..Bench, Larkin, Rose, Morgan, Frank Robinson, Votto is pretty strong

No way would I pass up a chance to throw a Griffey statue up. I know he wasn’t Jr from Seattle but still, the guy revolutionized the game and was probably the best clean / natural complete player of the entire era or more. His impact on the game, collecting cards, pitching, and fan interests was unmatched.
 
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No way would I pass up a chance to throw a Griffey statue up. I know he wasn’t Jr from Seattle but still, the guy revolutionized the game and was probably the best clean / natural complete player of the entire era or more. His impact on the game, collecting cards, pitching, and fan interests was unmatched.

put 2000 Griffey Jr on my all time Reds team. Had already slowed down a little but like you said, revolutionized the game. He’s got a spot in my OF any day

theres been a big resurgence of people buying the 80s/90s guys cards rn. I’ve moved most of the non-Reds Griffey’s I had.
 

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Joey earned his money. Top 10 1B of all time. Absolutely the greatest Reds 1B. Its easy to complain now that hes getting money he was promised years ago when he was in his prime. I may be young but theres something to be said in this day and age for a "company" to make a promise to its employees and doing right by said employee and honoring that agreement.

No, Im not advocating doing so to the "company's" detriment. A better example of what youre going on about was Homer Bailey.
Tony Perez is a HOF first baseman and member of the back-to-back WS champs in ‘75 and ‘76. Big Dog was the anchor in those lineups. Taking nothing from Votto, I’d take Perez in his prime over Votto in his. The game was different, so it’s really hard to compare.
 
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Tony Perez is a HOF first baseman and member of the back-to-back WS champs in ‘75 and ‘76. Big Dog was the anchor in those lineups. Taking nothing from Votto, I’d take Perez in his prime over Votto in his. The game was different, so it’s really hard to compare.

Just because Perez won 2 WS, doesn’t mean he’s a better player. He had 3 absolute studs in Bench, Morgan, and Rose helping. Votto has had no where near that support

Votto is absolutely elite at OBP and OPS. Votto is currently 27th in OPS, go look at the guys ahead of him. Perez is in the 400s. Votto already has a higher career WAR, 5 seasons over 6 WAR compared to Perez 2. Votto simply had more prime years

Also Perez prime years were played at 3rd, not 1st
 
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