Weve been exposed

[JTSHU]

Play zone cuz shu cant shoot for ****. If shu cant turn u over youll beat em cuz their halfcourt offense sucks.

Shaheen better have us practice against zone the rest of the season.

 

[joeyklings]

We didn’t get exposed.

Tough game against a dangerous/desperate opponent after giving everything vs Uconn. Noon tip; no crowd, one bad game.

Expecting a loss @ stj, but next Sat @ DePaul is crucial

 

[Piratz]

The offense has been bad for quite some time. We were saving games. You can’t live like that.

Now we’ve got our first bad loss. We were going to have one.

 

[IronKaz1]

if we lose to Depaul you know its all over

 

[The_Hall]

i mean, definitely betting shu to be down double digits at half next game

 

[phelanma]

The offense has been bad for quite some time. We were saving games. You can’t live like that.

Now we’ve got our first bad loss. We were going to have one.

Butler has struggled in BE but they had a strong OOC. But this loss takes away from the road wins at Georgetown/Marquette.

Sha really did a bad job in handling the zone. Also feel we comeback with Parker and Simpkins out there in the 2nd half of games but today he didn't play they much. Budd Clark really hurt the team today too. The freshman PG for Butler beat him too many times.

 

[The Crows Nest]

i mean, definitely betting shu to be down double digits at half next game

Lol. So true

 

[NCAAsorBust]

Play zone cuz shu cant shoot for ****. If shu cant turn u over youll beat em cuz their halfcourt offense sucks.

Shaheen better have us practice against zone the rest of the season.

If you didn't know we stink against the zone after the Villanova game, then you've been lost

 

[Piratz]

We weren’t going to get through this year without a bad loss. Only have room for 1 more at most.

 

[JTSHU]

Thats why thry should practice against the zone the rest of the season

 

[JTSHU]

Quad 2 isnt considered a bad loss

 

[johns79]

Poor effort, enough with the waiting for the second half to make a comeback. Fouling like crazy and of course Butler making their free throws.
Offense again really bad, can we make any shots?

 

[Piratz]

Quad 2 isnt considered a bad loss

Yeah I know, but a 1-5 BE team who lost 4 straight by double figures. At home.

 

[Piratz]

 

[JTSHU]

Yeah I know, but a 1-5 BE team who lost 4 straight by double figures. At home.

Yea st johns, uconn, creighton and nova. Tough schedule to start

 

[halltheway]

Not only a bad lost...but a terrible loss, especially at home.

 

[NCAAsorBust]

i mean, definitely betting shu to be down double digits at half next game

Odds won't be so great at SJU. Gotta do it against these 1 or 2 win big east teams. That's where there's money to be made.

 

[PiratePride]

Can someone please explain that double foul? Rivera was in the cylinder????? is that what I heard? It was deserved Flagrant 1 though.

I hate complaining about the refs.... I had to tune in late..... but when I saw it was the Breeden crew, I cringed. I thought that foul against Rivera in that double foul call was TERRIBLE. Not Breeden, but one of the refs I have grown to go.... ugh when I see him on the court.

 

[TommyD82]

Yeah I know, but a 1-5 BE team who lost 4 straight by double figures. At home.

Will hurt net though.

 

[JTSHU]

Can someone please explain that double foul? Rivera was in the cylinder????? is that what I heard? It was deserved Flagrant 1 though.

I hate complaining about the refs.... I had to tune in late..... but when I saw it was the Breeden crew, I cringed. I thought that foul against Rivera in that double foul call was TERRIBLE. Not Breeden, but one of the refs I have grown to go.... ugh when I see him on the court.

Weve played this press all season and it could have been called 1000 times. He had to really try to call in the cylinder that 1 time

 

[HallLine69]

Quad 2 isnt considered a bad loss

Nonetheless, this was a bad loss and we were due for one.

 

[Pirate Russ]

In 4 big east home games, we have led for 1 second in the 2nd half. You have to win your home games and we are 1-3 (should be 0-4). We are just too limited offensively in the half court which is a recipe for giving up big runs.

 

[JTSHU]

Weve relied on pressure and turnovers to generate offense. Without that, we are doomed. These individual shooting percentages are terrible. AJ and TJ best 3 pt shooters

 

[TheHall87]

Can someone please explain that double foul? Rivera was in the cylinder????? is that what I heard? It was deserved Flagrant 1 though.

I hate complaining about the refs.... I had to tune in late..... but when I saw it was the Breeden crew, I cringed. I thought that foul against Rivera in that double foul call was TERRIBLE. Not Breeden, but one of the refs I have grown to go.... ugh when I see him on the court.

The offensive player is allowed space -- think about taking a jump shot and having the right to land without a defender crowding you or that Bryce Aiken call against Marquette we all hate.

In this case, the offensive player made contact with Rivera who was within that player's "cylinder." Because that player's elbow made contact with Rivera's head/face, he was called for a flagrant foul after the review.

 

[JCB11]

Need to figure some stuff out. Going into the second half down double digits consistently is a recipe for disaster.

 

[VegasPJ1]

Reality beginning to set in. Odds to make the Not Invited Tourney now 75%.

 

[PiratePride]

The offensive player is allowed space -- think about taking a jump shot and having the right to land without a defender crowding you or that Bryce Aiken call against Marquette we all hate.

In this case, the offensive player made contact with Rivera who was within that player's "cylinder." Because that player's elbow made contact with Rivera's head/face, he was called for a flagrant foul after the review.

Thank you for that explanation. It seems like that's how we defend every game..... in the cylinder. hard to understand what a ref looks for for the "in the cylinder" infraction. So the contact has to be initiated by the offensive player? And if the defender is "in the cylinder", then the foul is on the defender? yeah, I think that's what you just said. But in this case, the flagrant foul "WAS" the contact.

 

[shu67]

Can someone please explain that double foul? Rivera was in the cylinder????? is that what I heard? It was deserved Flagrant 1 though.

I hate complaining about the refs.... I had to tune in late..... but when I saw it was the Breeden crew, I cringed. I thought that foul against Rivera in that double foul call was TERRIBLE. Not Breeden, but one of the refs I have grown to go.... ugh when I see him on the court.

I guess you did not see what happened? It was a perfectly good call.

 

[King of S]

We didn’t get exposed.

Tough game against a dangerous/desperate opponent after giving everything vs Uconn. Noon tip; no crowd, one bad game.

Expecting a loss @ stj, but next Sat @ DePaul is crucial

8,300 is no crowd?

 

[shu67]

The offensive player is allowed space -- think about taking a jump shot and having the right to land without a defender crowding you or that Bryce Aiken call against Marquette we all hate.

In this case, the offensive player made contact with Rivera who was within that player's "cylinder." Because that player's elbow made contact with Rivera's head/face, he was called for a flagrant foul after the review.

Not only that but the Refs could have called the SHU player who was holding on to the Butler player trying to get a foul call. If you saw the replay that was a foul even before the Rivera foul!

 

[King of S]

Reality beginning to set in. Odds to make the Not Invited Tourney now 75%.

Vegas downer!

 

[shu67]

Need to figure some stuff out. Going into the second half down double digits consistently is a recipe for disaster.

Nothing to figure out, They do not have the offensive fire power to make a comeback with offense so that leaves doing it with "D". Sometimes it works. This team is not good enough offensively. Major issue is 3 point shooting and not high enough percentage 2 point shooting.

 

[VegasPJ1]

Vegas downer!

Truth hurts.

 

[joeyklings]

8,300 is no crowd?

I hope you don’t believe that number

 

[Hall1996]

I hope you don’t believe that number

Crowd was not great but that had zero impact ion game results, when we made runs the crowd was loud, wasn’t much to cheer about.

 

[HallX2]

We didn’t get exposed.

Tough game against a dangerous/desperate opponent after giving everything vs Uconn. Noon tip; no crowd, one bad game.

Expecting a loss @ stj, but next Sat @ DePaul is crucial

Our weaknesses were exposed. To suggest otherwise is pollyannish. Poor shooting team. Struggle with zone. Our PG has struggles with fouls this season. Our FT is not what it needs to be. And Why we chuck it from the cheap seats is a puzzle to me. And it also accounts for some of the foul disparity.

 

[JTSHU]

There is plenty of time to turn things around. Problem is its becoming a concerning pattern. Idk if sha was just in a bad mood at the press conf but hes getting nasty w reporters. The reporters are trying to make a point w the offensive challenges and sha doesnt see it.

 

[Silkcity Pirate]

Thats why thry should practice against the zone the rest of the season

If you can't make shots you're not going to beat a zone .

 

[PiratePride]

I guess you did not see what happened? It was a perfectly good call.

I saw the play.... I wasn't sure what in the cylinder was. That's what I got an explanation on. I have never heard the term before or saw anyone ever get called for being in the cylinder. I guess in a game where the other team takes 41 foul shots we're bound to have one be an in the cylinder call. (that was sarcasm)

Without watching it more closely on DVR, the way I see it, the ref called a blocking foul on Rivera. I didn't see any contact there. Then Hines takes one on the nose, a pretty obvious flagrant call. The refs of course, had a dilemma, because of the blocking foul which they couldn't reverse. It was a save the ref's face call and the "in the cylinder call" was basically BS.

 

[TheHall87]

Thank you for that explanation. It seems like that's how we defend every game..... in the cylinder. hard to understand what a ref looks for for the "in the cylinder" infraction. So the contact has to be initiated by the offensive player? And if the defender is "in the cylinder", then the foul is on the defender? yeah, I think that's what you just said. But in this case, the flagrant foul "WAS" the contact.

I saw the play.... I wasn't sure what in the cylinder was. That's what I got an explanation on. I have never heard the term before or saw anyone ever get called for being in the cylinder. I guess in a game where the other team takes 41 foul shots we're bound to have one be an in the cylinder call. (that was sarcasm)

Without watching it more closely on DVR, the way I see it, the ref called a blocking foul on Rivera. I didn't see any contact there. Then Hines takes one on the nose, a pretty obvious flagrant call. The refs of course, had a dilemma, because of the blocking foul which they couldn't reverse. It was a save the ref's face call and the "in the cylinder call" was basically BS.

It seemed to be a pretty by the book call to me. You just don't see it very often. Just as a shooter isn't supposed to be able to kick his legs out because he is then out of the "cylinder."

You can certainly be in the offensive player's space and not make contact. I think we are actually pretty effective at that. This happened to be a case the contact was significant enough to warrant a foul. The blocking call was because Rivera was in the Butler player's space.

This is similar to how a defender can be called for a charge when he runs through an offensive player trying to set a screen. If the offensive player is set, the defender has no right to bowl him over.

The Hines foul was not a flagrant to me. He was hit by the ball in the face. Arguably it wasn't even a foul because the player did not make contact with him (that I could see).