We gonna have MLB???

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Ummm... they are billionaires because taxpayers are buying them stadiums. Welfare for capitalists. Eff 'em.

They are billionaires because they are able to convince others to finance their stadiums. Much like CFB is a billion dollar business because they have convinced the labor to play for essentially free

there is no law that says the tax payers have to pay for a stadium

 

[bigboxes]

They are billionaires because they are able to convince others to finance their stadiums. Much like CFB is a billion dollar business because they have convinced the labor to play for essentially free

there is no law that says the tax payers have to pay for a stadium

Welfare Queens. If you think otherwise, it's because you're a communist!

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

They are billionaires because they are able to convince others to finance their stadiums. Much like CFB is a billion dollar business because they have convinced the labor to play for essentially free

there is no law that says the tax payers have to pay for a stadium

it's a little more nuanced than that. 2 current owners in all of pro sports have convinced their teams to leave their longtime homes for greener pastures. it's mostly a win/break even for owners/cities, with cities breaking even in terms of civic pride, some economic boost and mostly status (not $$$, that's for sure).

lol @ college football 'convincing' its labor to work for free. yet another monopoly laughing in the face of US anti-trust and labor laws. if there were a viable alternative, college football would look a lot more like college basketball.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

there is apparently language in the deal that suggests that if the season is played without fans further negotiations would need to take place around finances

A separate section of the deal, listing the conditions for games to resume, says the commissioner’s office and the union “will discuss in good faith the economic feasibility of playing games in the absence of spectators or at appropriate substitute neutral sites.” Similar phrasing exists in other parts of the agreement as well.

"One person with knowledge of the deal said the clause was not intended to signal any willingness by the players to reopen salary discussions. Others said the issue was left undecided, and that the league made it clear to the union that economic adjustments would be necessary if games were played in empty parks.

 

[inthedeed]

why cant they just do it by percentages and get the show on the road. if things get too covid wacky shut it down and walk away this year. split it up by percentages and call it good

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

MLB training facilities temporarily close in Arizona and Florida

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...-temporarily-close-positive-coronavirus-tests

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

If I'm an owner,

I want the games to happen, but under conditions where I am not liable to any fans or players who catch the virus.

I'd rather have some kind of product to put on tv, even if the stands are empty.

If players don't want to take a pay cut or sign covid waivers, I'll hire other scrubs to fill in or enter into some new non-union contract to do it.

I don't even care about practice.. if everyone has to play the games with no practice, so be it, because practices don't make me any money anyway.

There will be some kind of sports on tv this fall..

 

[huskernaut_rivals292165]

Not a baseball fan I take it..

Just ready for football.

 

[jflores]

If I'm an owner,

I want the games to happen, but under conditions where I am not liable to any fans or players who catch the virus.

I'd rather have some kind of product to put on tv, even if the stands are empty.

If players don't want to take a pay cut or sign covid waivers, I'll hire other scrubs to fill in or enter into some new non-union contract to do it.

I don't even care about practice.. if everyone has to play the games with no practice, so be it, because practices don't make me any money anyway.

There will be some kind of sports on tv this fall..

Apparently Cornhole is one of them.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

MLBPA rejects plan for 60 game season that included no player pay cuts

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

yes .. as I said the players rejected a plan that called for more games without player play cuts

there is apparently language in that original deal that suggests that if the season is played without fans further negotiations would need to take place around finances

A separate section of the deal, listing the conditions for games to resume, says the commissioner’s office and the union “will discuss in good faith the economic feasibility of playing games in the absence of spectators or at appropriate substitute neutral sites.” Similar phrasing exists in other parts of the agreement as well.

"One person with knowledge of the deal said the clause was not intended to signal any willingness by the players to reopen salary discussions. Others said the issue was left undecided, and that the league made it clear to the union that economic adjustments would be necessary if games were played in empty par

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

yes .. as I said the players rejected a plan that called for more games without a player play cut

there is apparently language in that original deal that suggests that if the season is played without fans further negotiations would need to take place around finances

A separate section of the deal, listing the conditions for games to resume, says the commissioner’s office and the union “will discuss in good faith the economic feasibility of playing games in the absence of spectators or at appropriate substitute neutral sites.” Similar phrasing exists in other parts of the agreement as well.

"One person with knowledge of the deal said the clause was not intended to signal any willingness by the players to reopen salary discussions. Others said the issue was left undecided, and that the league made it clear to the union that economic adjustments would be necessary if games were played in empty par

you conveniently left out all of the things MLB asked the players to give up in order to receive the full play the owners agreed to 3 months ago (weird)

key phrase in the language you posted: will discuss in good faith

the owners have yet to meet that tiny little guideline. hence, no agreement.

important, at least to those interested in the full story and not just some bootlicker's pro-owner bent:

The owners’ proposal called for a 60-game season, an expanded postseason, and no additional salary guarantees should COVID-19 lead to a cancellation of the season. It also required players to waive the right to any type of grievance.

keep up the good work, compadre.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

you conveniently left out all of the things MLB asked the players to give up in order to receive the full play the owners agreed to 3 months ago (weird)

key phrase in the language you posted: will discuss in good faith

the owners have yet to meet that tiny little guideline. hence, no agreement.

important, at least to those interested in the full story and not just some bootlicker's pro-owner bent:

The owners’ proposal called for a 60-game season, an expanded postseason, and no additional salary guarantees should COVID-19 lead to a cancellation of the season. It also required players to waive the right to any type of grievance.

keep up the good work, compadre.

why should there be salary guarantees if the season is cancelled - the players salaries are paid on a per game rate
why should they get paid for more games than they play? They are negotiating to try to get a pay raise
the latest plans included no pay cuts

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

why should there be salary guarantees if the season is cancelled - the players salaries are paid on a per game rate
why should they get paid for more games than they play? They are negotiating to try to get a pay raise
the latest plans included no pay cuts

"ThEy ArE nEgOtIaTiNg To TrY tO gEt A pAy RaIsE"

By rejecting the offer, the MLBPA reserves its right to file a grievance claiming that MLB did not negotiate in good faith to ensure a maximum number of games in 2020.

study up, friend.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

"ThEy ArE nEgOtIaTiNg To TrY tO gEt A pAy RaIsE"

By rejecting the offer, the MLBPA reserves its right to file a grievance claiming that MLB did not negotiate in good faith to ensure a maximum number of games in 2020.

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the average MLB salary is about 3.9 million dollars per year which comes to just over $24k per game - the average player loses ~ $290,000 dollars for those 12 games

the Yankee ownership can save 15 million dollars in payroll by dropping 12 games - they can save $204,000,000 in payroll by not playing at all

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

the average MLB salary is about 3.9 million dollars per year which comes to just over $24k per game - the average player loses ~ $290,000 dollars for those 12 games

the Yankee ownership can save 15 million dollars in payroll by dropping 12 games - they can save $204,000,000 in payroll by not playing at all

the Yankees appreciated 9% last year ($450M), and teams on avg appreciated 400% over the last 10 years. a work stoppage that stretches into 2022 would cost them a lot more than what they'd gain in salary savings.

in 2010, the highest paid player made $33M. in 2020, the highest paid player is set to make $37.6M.

gee, I wonder why players are negotiating for better working conditions and to not be bent over by ownership yet again after an agreement was in place 3 months ago.

to be clear, neither side is right in this. one is just way, way more wrong.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

the Yankees appreciated 9% last year ($450M), and teams on avg appreciated 400% over the last 10 years.

in 2010, the highest paid player made $33M. in 2020, the highest paid player is set to make $37.6M.

gee, I wonder why players are negotiating for better working conditions and to not be bent over by ownership yet again after an agreement was in place 3 months ago.

to be clear, neither side is right in this. one is just way, way more wrong.

that appreciation value does not equal cash - that is like saying you are obligated to run your business at a loss because the office space you own has appreciated

and lets not forget the players basically F'd over their fellow future players by selling out on the draft - they agreed to cut the draft from 40 rounds to 5.

The slot value of the first pick in the 6th round is slotted at $301,600
the last pick of the 10th round is slotted at $142,000

a lot of high school and college players worth zero got sold out by the current players worth millions

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

that appreciation value does not equal cash - that is like saying you are obligated to run your business at a loss because the office space you own has appreciated

and lets not forget the players basically F'd over their fellow future players by selling out on the draft - they agreed to cut the draft from 40 rounds to 5.

The slot value of the first pick in the 6th round is slotted at $301,600
the last pick of the 10th round is slotted at $142,000

a lot of high school and college players worth zero got sold out by the current players worth millions

if the owners were so certain they'd operate at a loss so detrimental it's precluding them from negotiating in good faith to have a season, they'd show their books. but, of course, instead of that they opt to try and eliminate the chance a grievance is filed and their books are ordered open in court. wonder why?

as for the draft, which has always been an embarrassment, I agree. and this was while ownership gutted the minor leagues, costing even more jobs in baseball (and, very likely, a generation of fans).

that concession by the players, saving clubs $30M each, apparently wasn't enough for the owners.

I'm not typically pro-union or anti-billionaire, either. but, in this case, their behavior has been a complete joke. they're an embarrassment.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

if the owners were so certain they'd operate at a loss so detrimental it's precluding them from negotiating in good faith to have a season, they'd show their books. but, of course, instead of that they opt to try and eliminate the chance a grievance is filed and their books are ordered open in court. wonder why?

as for the draft, which has always been an embarrassment, I agree. and this was while ownership gutted the minor leagues, costing even more jobs in baseball (and, very likely, a generation of fans).

that concession by the players, saving clubs $30M each, apparently wasn't enough for the owners.

I'm not typically pro-union or anti-billionaire, either. but, in this case, their behavior has been a complete joke. they're an embarrassment.

agree on a lot ...

I guess for me, I fall back on the fact that no business is under an obligation to operate at a loss - regardless of whether or not they can afford to

I think the owners are more concerned about running their other businesses - the ones that earned them the money to purchase a MLB team as a hobby

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

agree on a lot ...

I guess for me, I fall back on the fact that no business is under an obligation to operate at a loss - regardless of whether or not they can afford to

they're not obligated.

they're also not guaranteed operating gains, despite an essential certainty in 9-figure asset appreciation while being allowed to operate in an environment with infinitely more safe-guards than a normal business.

I wonder if the commissioner will mandate a season (reports are for 60 games), or if this will go down as the biggest whiff in the history of the sport.

it really does suck. I'm a huge baseball fan.

 

[TerranPetteway]

Well Manfred and the MLB are mandating a 60 game season based on the March agreement. So for now the answer appears to be yes. Let's go.

 

[little a]

Baseball is baseball...... sigh

 

[mwulf]

Big baseball fan but this "season" will be a farce.. Unless the Cubs win then it's formally legit

 

[dinglefritz]

they're not obligated.

they're also not guaranteed operating gains, despite an essential certainty in 9-figure asset appreciation while being allowed to operate in an environment with infinitely more safe-guards than a normal business.

I wonder if the commissioner will mandate a season (reports are for 60 games), or if this will go down as the biggest whiff in the history of the sport.

it really does suck. I'm a huge baseball fan.

None of it will probably matter anyway if they're going to quarantine players for a couple of weeks for a positive test. MLB wouldn't last a month IMO if they do get started. Pro football and baseball are in a whole different situation than college sports. They've got way more people involved who are in the at risk of more serious illness groups.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

 

[daddy mack]

Yeah capitalism still works. Richer help the rich and rich generate income for everyone else. There’s a reason no one wants to play in Central America. And play baseball at below the poverty level. Dr Fauci butt out. Open her up!!

 

[mwulf]