We gonna have MLB???

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24hrs ago I would have bet cash on it...not now. Still think it's more likely than not, but I wouldn't bet a dime on it.

....and are salad bars gone forever?? Whole Foods was the bomb.
 

Dean Pope

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Great questions. A couple months ago, I thought MLB would be playing in Florida and Arizona. Playing in their spring training parks with limited fans. But since then there have been so many issues that I do not think they are ever going to get their "stuff" together. And that is a shame because America needs baseball right now. I've really watched less and less of it going back to the year they went on strike and cancelled the World Series, but I think they would be getting record TV ratings right now. I know I would be watching.
 

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I'm a huge baseball fan but if there was ever a league that can't get out of its own way, it's MLB. Won't be surprised if there are no games played this year and MLB returns in 2021, completely mystified at the lack of fan interest.
 
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Not a fan of the guy who said this and less a fan of the witch he married but I awlays liked his comment..."It's a bunch of millionaires arguing with a bunch of billionaires" Hence the lack of interest from most people struggling to make ends meet right now.
 

tone1017

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Great questions. A couple months ago, I thought MLB would be playing in Florida and Arizona. Playing in their spring training parks with limited fans. But since then there have been so many issues that I do not think they are ever going to get their "stuff" together. And that is a shame because America needs baseball right now. I've really watched less and less of it going back to the year they went on strike and cancelled the World Series, but I think they would be getting record TV ratings right now. I know I would be watching.
Until the billionaire owners that print money from their teams every year in stadiums they made the cities subsidize accept that one season may not be the gigantic windfall every other season is, they’re screwed. Baseball was already losing fans every season, this was an incredible opportunity to be the only show in town and they could not let their greed go.
 

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Keep in mind that this is a league that blubbers about its inability to attract younger fans, but is so in bed with the cable and satellite companies that you cannot stream games that include your hometown team. I even have cable, but can't watch a Rockies game on the cable app on my phone unless I'm logged into my home WiFi.

And guess what, you dimwits - when I'm on my freaking home WiFi, I have no desire to watch a game on my phone. That's what I have a TV for.

MLB - a great place to work if it wasn't for these #(*&@^%*# fans!
 

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What an absolute farce. Their one chance to gain some traction in America while the other live major league sports (except golf) are on hiatus.

So, yeah, let's just fight about how many millions of dollars we should be making all while 1 in 7 Americans is unemployed.
 

Dean Pope

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Baseball was already losing fans every season, this was an incredible opportunity to be the only show in town and they could not let their greed go.
Agreed. Baseball should be getting a black eye on this. To me, it was the strike season and then cheapening the game during the steroid era that really hurt. But now this is at least not going to help them, but it should hurt MLB. It's ridiculous that they couldn't figure it out. Unemployment is sky high and people are in need of at home sports entertainment. It's summer time. And baseball cannot figure out a plan?
 

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I think most of the financial advantage of being an owner in baseball is asset appreciation
The day to day or yearly profits are either negative or slim and will tank without fans

most of the owners yearly profits are from other much more successful business endeavors - profits that accumulated and allowed them to purchase a team

the financial loss for the owners might be less with no baseball this year versus having games and paying salaries

I am not sure how not playing might impact asset value however - interested in others views that may be more in tune to the business aspects
 

redwine65

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I would think outdoor stadiums in spring summer fall, would be alot more ccp virus friendly then indoor stadiums during winter
basketball played during winter where the virus travels farther in cold, and where thousands of fans breath are contained...seems like the quickest way to get the ccp virus.

that said I see alot of old folks not going to NU football games. which would help spread people farther apart in the stadium.
 
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I think most of the financial advantage of being an owner in baseball is asset appreciation
The day to day or yearly profits are either negative or slim and will tank without fans

most of the owners yearly profits are from other much more successful business endeavors - profits that accumulated and allowed them to purchase a team

the financial loss for the owners might be less with no baseball this year versus having games and paying salaries

I am not sure how not playing might impact asset value however - interested in others views that may be more in tune to the business aspects

I agree with this and would liken it to allowing restaurants to open at less than full capacity...they may as well stay closed because they need all the seats filled to make it worthwhile financially. When I had my body shop there were several times that were so slow it would have been better financially to close the door and freeze the overhead (which isn't possible I know) than to keep operating and lose money with the overhead.
 

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Contractually per their March agreement, the owners can force the start of the season. When negotiations broke down for a different deal, the MLBPA basically told them, "tell us when and where". The fact that they haven't done that tells me they either don't want to play this year, or they logistically don't feel they can. The leak of the letter today that said multiple players and staff tested positive is proof to me that, given all of the issues, playing this year is not going to happen, and the owners are looking to shift blame on virus logistics rather than labor problems (though honestly, both are major factors).
 

daddy mack

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Until the billionaire owners that print money from their teams every year in stadiums they made the cities subsidize accept that one season may not be the gigantic windfall every other season is, they’re screwed. Baseball was already losing fans every season, this was an incredible opportunity to be the only show in town and they could not let their greed go.
Time for the players to except the same reality of less money. If not instead of reduced pay. There is a very Good chance this gets worse and is carried over into their future earning power. This is what happens when you shut down the worlds greatest economy, everyone eventually is harmed economically. Once the spoiled millionaires expect the reality of a temporary pay cut. The faster they start recouping pay or future pay. They’re millionaires because of capitalism. Can’t wait to see these same players reactions after MLB adopts a Cuban Based pay system. RollingLaughPlayers Union ,you say, what is that?
 

tone1017

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Time for the players to except the same reality of less money. If not instead of reduced pay. There is a very Good chance this gets worse and is carried over into their future earning power. This is what happens when you shut down the worlds greatest economy, everyone eventually is harmed economically. Once the spoiled millionaires expect the reality of a temporary pay cut. The faster they start recouping pay or future pay. They’re millionaires because of capitalism. Can’t wait to see these same players reactions after MLB adopts a Cuban Based pay system. RollingLaughPlayers Union ,you say, what is that?
The average franchise has increased in value 400% over the last decade according to Forbes. Pretty sure player salaries haven’t followed suit. Take a hit for a year and move on, not difficult to comprehend.
 

mgbreeze

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Time for the players to except the same reality of less money. If not instead of reduced pay. There is a very Good chance this gets worse and is carried over into their future earning power. This is what happens when you shut down the worlds greatest economy, everyone eventually is harmed economically. Once the spoiled millionaires expect the reality of a temporary pay cut. The faster they start recouping pay or future pay. They’re millionaires because of capitalism. Can’t wait to see these same players reactions after MLB adopts a Cuban Based pay system. RollingLaughPlayers Union ,you say, what is that?
You gotta appreciate a guy who sides with billionaires by complaining about spoiled millionaires. Regarding your focus on the current economic **** show, I think you're missing the point that seems obvious to most. Baseball (owners) had a chance to capitalize on the situation by providing entertainment to a country (world, actually) where nothing else was going on. They must not believe they could grow their brand by being literally the only sports entertainment on tv because all they seem to be worried about is whether they lose money this year. Stupid.
 
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You gotta appreciate a guy who sides with billionaires by complaining about spoiled millionaires. Regarding your focus on the current economic **** show, I think you're missing the point that seems obvious to most. Baseball (owners) had a chance to capitalize on the situation by providing entertainment to a country (world, actually) where nothing else was going on. They must not believe they could grow their brand by being literally the only sports entertainment on tv because all they seem to be worried about is whether they lose money this year. Stupid.

I didn't read his reply quite as harsh as you did...I think he has a valid point about players accepting the reality of the world now. We did the dumbest thing I've ever seen and still cannot believe some places are still doing it, and now people have to pay for the consequences of it. Don't like it, don't shut down the economy again. Things are different now.
 

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The average franchise has increased in value 400% over the last decade according to Forbes. Pretty sure player salaries haven’t followed suit. Take a hit for a year and move on, not difficult to comprehend.

I may be wrong but as I referred to above - that is asset appreciation - the value increase doesn't equate to having cash on hand for a rainy day

they cash in when the team is sold


also - maybe just semantics but the players salaries are based on 162 games -- x amount per game
if they play 81 games and get paid the same amount per game - they aren't taking a pay cut - they are getting a prorated salary

if they play 81 games and get less per game than their contract - then they are taking a pay cut
 

tone1017

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I may be wrong but as I referred to above - that is asset appreciation - the value increase doesn't equate to having cash on hand for a rainy day

they cash in when the team is sold


also - maybe just semantics but the players salaries are based on 162 games -- x amount per game
if they play 81 games and get paid the same amount per game - they aren't taking a pay cut - they are getting a prorated salary

if they play 81 games and get less per game than their contract - then they are taking a pay cut
If you’re not willing to pay for it then sell the team and make 4X your investment, none of these owners are hurting for day to day expenses and if they are then they can sell and make a killing. No one is making them hold onto the team. Not all investments perpetually make money.
 

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If you’re not willing to pay for it then sell the team and make 4X your investment, none of these owners are hurting for day to day expenses and if they are then they can sell and make a killing. No one is making them hold onto the team. Not all investments perpetually make money.

I want to see them play as bad as anyone but why should a business owner be expected pull profits from some of their more successful businesses to prop up one that is treading water until they decide to sell

again from a pure business standpoint - it might be more favorable not to play

I really like the coffee from the coffee shop down the street but that doesn't mean the owners owe it to me to dip into their retirement funds to keep it afloat if it doesn't make business sense

if the teams are vital to the economy of the cities they are in perhaps the cities should cover some of the loss of revenue
 
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If you’re not willing to pay for it then sell the team and make 4X your investment, none of these owners are hurting for day to day expenses and if they are then they can sell and make a killing. No one is making them hold onto the team. Not all investments perpetually make money.

Good luck telling the world's most successful business owners they should pay tens of millions for something that they aren't obligated to do.
 

tone1017

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I want to see them play as bad as anyone but why should a business owner be expected pull profits from some of their more successful businesses to prop up one that is treading water until they decide to sell

again from a pure business standpoint - it might be more favorable not to play

I really like the coffee from the coffee shop down the street but that doesn't mean the owners owe it to me to dip into their retirement funds to keep it afloat if it doesn't make business sense

if the teams are vital to the economy of the cities they are in perhaps the cities should cover some of the loss of revenue
I agree, I personally think they don’t realize how much they’re hurting the interest in their sport right now. If they had been proactive and created a plan to start July 1 or whatever and paid the players, their tv numbers would be through the roof. Maybe it makes business sense to drag this out but I have a feeling they’re going to regret a small short term loss to maintain and probably increase interest. Then again they’re billionaires so maybe they know what they’re doing, just seems like interest in baseball was already declining, I don’t think the casual fan (like me) is going to care nearly as much now that they missed their window.
 

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I agree, I personally think they don’t realize how much they’re hurting the interest in their sport right now. If they had been proactive and created a plan to start July 1 or whatever and paid the players, their tv numbers would be through the roof. Maybe it makes business sense to drag this out but I have a feeling they’re going to regret a small short term loss to maintain and probably increase interest. Then again they’re billionaires so maybe they know what they’re doing, just seems like interest in baseball was already declining, I don’t think the casual fan (like me) is going to care nearly as much now that they missed their window.

agree .. it is 4th tier, at best, when the NBA, NFL, MLB and CFB are all going at the same time
 

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Owners can't accept that they might have to take a loss on their investments in their teams for literally the first time ever. Players won't accept anything less than fully prorated salaries despite the fact that roughly half of the revenue per game is gone. Both sides are being stupid. Neither side has made a single compelling offer. Best case scenario is probably a 54 game mandated season by the commissioner, followed by a lengthy court battle over whether the league fulfilled their agreements with the players.
 

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I agree, I personally think they don’t realize how much they’re hurting the interest in their sport right now. If they had been proactive and created a plan to start July 1 or whatever and paid the players, their tv numbers would be through the roof. Maybe it makes business sense to drag this out but I have a feeling they’re going to regret a small short term loss to maintain and probably increase interest. Then again they’re billionaires so maybe they know what they’re doing, just seems like interest in baseball was already declining, I don’t think the casual fan (like me) is going to care nearly as much now that they missed their window.
I'm a die hard Twins fan but I'm at the point now that I'm not sure I'll watch if it does come back on TV.
 

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I would think outdoor stadiums in spring summer fall, would be alot more ccp virus friendly then indoor stadiums during winter
basketball played during winter where the virus travels farther in cold, and where thousands of fans breath are contained...seems like the quickest way to get the ccp virus.

that said I see alot of old folks not going to NU football games. which would help spread people farther apart in the stadium.
What? No blue hairs casting a nasty eye when anyone stands up and cheers!!
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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average career length of a player in 2007 was ~ 5 years -- I think it is less now

is the average player willing to forfeit 20-25% of their career and sit
 

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I'm a huge baseball fan but if there was ever a league that can't get out of its own way, it's MLB. Won't be surprised if there are no games played this year and MLB returns in 2021, completely mystified at the lack of fan interest.

We had opening day tickets for the Royals this season and attend 10-15 games a season. If the games are not played in 2020...regardless of “who is perceived” to be at fault...we will be taking a break from MLB.
 

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I may be wrong but as I referred to above - that is asset appreciation - the value increase doesn't equate to having cash on hand for a rainy day

they cash in when the team is sold


also - maybe just semantics but the players salaries are based on 162 games -- x amount per game
if they play 81 games and get paid the same amount per game - they aren't taking a pay cut - they are getting a prorated salary

if they play 81 games and get less per game than their contract - then they are taking a pay cut
I think the issue is the owners want the players to play for less than their prorated salaries because of decreased game day revenue due to lack of ticket sales and food/drink revenue. Apparently not having the capability for full in-person attendance wasn't taken into account in the spring when the owners agreed to the prorated deal.

I agree all parties (but particularly the owners) are missing a golden opportunity to grow the game to avert bigger short-term losses.

That being said, kudos to the KC Royals on this move.