We are better than Ole Miss,
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It's closer than we thought, but I'm not buying yet.
We don't have a running game or a run defense.
We don't have a running game or a run defense.
Easy now. We got a good road win, and yes they struggled with Vandy, but them not being up for Vandy after the run they have been on is pretty expected. As bad as I want to, I'm not buying us being better than them just yet.
No we aren't. Not close. When is the last time a team has been successful in the SEC with absolutely no running game?
Still can't really tell until we've both had another game or two against SEC opponents. I thought by this point I'd be able to get a better beat on both teams but State hasn't put on a complete performance in any wins and outside of the first two gimme games Ole Miss played, they haven't looked like world beaters to me.
Thank you Vandy for proving to some folks on here that OM is not invincible.
Sort of like Rocky IV when Rocky finally punched and cut the Russian, "He's not a Machine he's just a Man!!"
Sort of like Rocky IV when Rocky finally punched and cut the Russian, "He's not a Machine he's just a Man!!"
That is the correct call. If a fair catch is signaled, the opposing team can't make a play on either the returner or the ball until the ball hits the ground. And in this case it never did. Even if the ball is bobbled, it must hit the ground first.
So if the ball is bobbled and hits you in the hands 2 yards away from the returner, as it did here, what is it that you're supposed to do in order to avoid "interfering with the fair catch"?
It's a good question. I don't know the intricacies of the rule. But I do know you have to let the returner catch it, even through a bobble. It's not free to be recovered as a muff until it hits the ground. The fact is the Vandy guy caught it in the air. Obviously he made a play on it. I'm not sure what happens if if just made contact with the Vandy guy and then it hit the ground. If it was just incidental contact with the ball, perhaps it is allowed.
I believe regardless of where the ball was caught, the spot of the ball would be at a location no further than the point of first contact.
I can buy that.
What I cant understand is the reasoning for a penalty there.
I mean, with no contact, what you've essentially done is down the ball there.
So why not a dead ball at the spot it was touched?
I know you didn't write the rule... just thinking out loud...
What I cant understand is the reasoning for a penalty there.
I mean, with no contact, what you've essentially done is down the ball there.
So why not a dead ball at the spot it was touched?
I know you didn't write the rule... just thinking out loud...
Because you have to give the fair catcher the chance to field the ball cleanly. He can bobble it and juggle it all he wants until it his the ground. As soon as the Vandy guy catches it in the air, with the old miss guy standing right there, he's interfered with the catch opportunity. Think of it as him interfering with the ball instead of the player.
Yeah. They don't want players juggling a ball and then getting blasted by a DB at full speed. It's a pretty rare call.
It's not that I don't comprehend the rule... It's that I think the application of the rule in this particular instance is a bit ridiculous.
I don't see how the kicking team should be penalized for standing there, giving the return man room, and then having the ball fall right in their hands due to the returner's butter fingers. If I were a return man and needed 15 extra yards, I'd be tempted to pull the old "Oops I lost control" and bat it to the guy and, I'd imagine 9 times out of 10 the guy would instinctively catch it.
ETA: I'm all for return man safety and I get the reasoning. But it seems that there would be an exception for the times where there is a bobble and absolutely no contact.
I don't see how the kicking team should be penalized for standing there, giving the return man room, and then having the ball fall right in their hands due to the returner's butter fingers. If I were a return man and needed 15 extra yards, I'd be tempted to pull the old "Oops I lost control" and bat it to the guy and, I'd imagine 9 times out of 10 the guy would instinctively catch it.
ETA: I'm all for return man safety and I get the reasoning. But it seems that there would be an exception for the times where there is a bobble and absolutely no contact.
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Then that rule should be somehow adjusted. Just bad luck for Vandy, because that ball was out of reach of the OM player and was clearly on the way towards the ground. If the guy had bungled it a little less and not shoved the ball into the air, it would have been a turnover.
Wouldn't go that far. But the last 3 years should have taught us that early snapshots don't equal what happens in that game. Every year for the last 3, the team with the worse record has won on their home field. Locations is why I still like us in that game -- and also why I never quit.
Of course, I'm still hoping this team's trajectory is more 2013 than 2012, just with a much higher floor. I haven't seen this team bloom into a competitor yet -- but I have seen glimpses of what it can be. Really thought Diaz finally found himself in the 4th quarter of that game. Our defense which was driving me nuts for 3 quarters with the inability to stop the run suddenly looked like I thought it would all season with ridiculous alignments, pre snap motions, and blitzes from everywhere with much better tackling that totally put them away. Strangely just as the offense was going vanilla.
I want to see us play that way on both sides of the ball at the same time. So far, it's been a seesaw where one side flounders while the other plays well.
Disagree. By rule it's when he muffs the ball and he stills has opportunity to catch the ball. In this case he did not. The ball went straight to the Vandy player 2 yards away from the receiver. He wasn't still bobbling the ball and no longer had the ability to catch the ball in the air. The ball doesn't have to hit the ground to recover the fumble it's just that once it hits the ground it's free to touch the receiver in an attempt to recover the fumble.
https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi/vanderbilt-player-called-for-horrible-fair-catch-interference-penalty
The side view of the video shows how far away the receiver was and that the Vandy player had the ball tipped to him. The receiver would have never caught the ball before it hit the ground. And it doesn't have to hit the ground before you recover.
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