Warming up to Jay Williams

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I've gone to multiple games during the EJ era and Mike Rice era. Anyone who hasn't packed it in already is just delusional. This is what rock bottom is. There is literally nothing the next coach can do to make it any worse than what it is now.

So forget game day experience (even though I would say being NCAA player of the year in Coach K's offense is experience enough).

Forget boring no names like Masiello, etc. You think any high school kid in New Jersey is getting excited for those mid-major guys when Turgeron, Dixon or Jay Wright are walking into their living rooms?

Give me a young guy with a lot of charisma. I'll take Jay Williams as a "James Franklin" of college basketball. You need 2 solid recruiting classes to turn around a college basketball program.

And guess what??? If it backfires, we are EXACTLY where we are now.

I see why your screen name is baseball fan.
 
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wheezer

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why some fans would want to hire someone with zero recruiting and zero coaching resume..... reeks of desperation.
 
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RU MAN

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I've gone to multiple games during the EJ era and Mike Rice era. Anyone who hasn't packed it in already is just delusional. This is what rock bottom is. There is literally nothing the next coach can do to make it any worse than what it is now.

So forget game day experience (even though I would say being NCAA player of the year in Coach K's offense is experience enough).

Forget boring no names like Masiello, etc. You think any high school kid in New Jersey is getting excited for those mid-major guys when Turgeron, Dixon or Jay Wright are walking into their living rooms?

Give me a young guy with a lot of charisma. I'll take Jay Williams as a "James Franklin" of college basketball. You need 2 solid recruiting classes to turn around a college basketball program.

And guess what??? If it backfires, we are EXACTLY where we are now.
A BIG FAT NO!!! We have seen 25 years of futility. Now is NOT the time to gamble on a hire, when Barchi and the BOG have FINALLY come to their senses and will commit to getting all of the facilities done. I think Hurley turning us down is a blessing in disguise. I never had him as my first or second choice. My first choice was Lonergan and my second choice was Sendek. I think one of those is more of a homerun hire than Hurley.
 
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imbazza2

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I like Jay a lot. Nice kid.
We are hiring a COACH not a nice guy we had the nice guy Jordan remember how that worked out

Kevin Boyle or Jay Williams. I'm all in on both or one.
What is Jay's college coaching record he is another EJ in the making Great pro player/coach but a bomb communicating/coach college players By the way Jay Williams never coached in the pros so he is not even as good as EJ and EJ is being replaced remember!!! << we are not down grading we are trying to up grade

I would be happy with Boyle and Williams but add Phil Colicchio as the defensive coach. Phil is a good friend of Boyle's.

I am so Frack'in happy you want to put the band back together all good friends even if they can not coach they make a great musketeers

This is the problem with Rutgers we pick pretty boys we are comfortable with without looking at the value of the **** you are trying to pile on the table. None of these guys have any merit .If Williams was any good as a coach he would have been there already. His mouth on espin tells me he can talk but what a dumb arse. If the past few years on TV make him popular with the uneducated viewer but most of his commentaries are just rhetoric that fills time, occasionally he provides a nugget of information.
Jay Williams' coaching record speaks for him in so many ways.
Let your boy love go and get frack'in real with suggesting a HC for a P5 league!
 
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A BIG FAT NO!!! We have seen 25 years of futility. Now is NOT the time to gamble on a hire, when Barchi and the BOG have FINALLY come to their senses and will commit to getting all of the facilities done. I think Hurley turning us down is a blessing in disguise. I never had him as my first or second choice. My first choice was Lonergan and my second choice was Sendek. I think one of those is more of a homerun hire than Hurley.


I'd say it is the perfect time to gamble on a hire. If we are wrong, it becomes 27 years of futility. What's the difference between 25 and 27? No one worth hiring looks willing to risk their entire career on this mess we have. We may as well take a guy most likely to be the pied piper for the major talent we have in this area.
 

RU MAN

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I'd say it is the perfect time to gamble on a hire. If we are wrong, it becomes 27 years of futility. What's the difference between 25 and 27? No one worth hiring looks willing to risk their entire career on this mess we have. We may as well take a guy most likely to be the pied piper for the major talent we have in this area.
You don't know that. From my understanding, we're about to get an excellent hire WITH a great college resume. I trust Hobbs on this one. What you're saying is, it's okay to just keep kicking the can down the road. We can't afford to do that now. We're in the B1G and we need to be more respectable in one of the major revenue sports. Gambling on a hire now is not only wrong-headed but misguided.
 
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knightfan7

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Joe Moglia. Didn't make the cut as a football coach candidate but jeeze, he was successful on Wall Street.

I'll say what I said then, get a legit coach. Not some HS coach or TV analyst.
 
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RUforJERSEY

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I would be happy with Boyle and Williams but add Phil Colicchio as the defensive coach. Phil is a good friend of Boyle's.
That would be a nice team if you added a good big man coach. But I would hate to lose Colicchio at my alma mater. With all of the talents thatt's come through those halls over the decades he's the only one who has been able to take the program to such heights.
 

imbazza2

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I'd say it is the perfect time to gamble on a hire. If we are wrong, it becomes 27 years of futility. What's the difference between 25 and 27? No one worth hiring looks willing to risk their entire career on this mess we have. We may as well take a guy most likely to be the pied piper for the major talent we have in this area.
Your moniker fits u baseball < the never grow up kids
As we have blown our first impression in the B10 BB we do not have any wiggle room to gain any respect.
all that played us or announced us saw the talent, we have just the absence of a coach. and a Can do! And a Finish attitude
the past 23 years I care less but the last 2 have hurt as it reinforces the "we do not belong attitude" with the B10 schools. We need to show the B10 and the nation we are respectable. not a bottom of the P5 schools.
As with Ash we need to flip our image in BB as well no hurley or non-coach Williams; you want to gamble baseball go to the track. I want a sure thing and Hobbs seem to know who that will be.
 

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The greatest concerns with Williams are in the large areas where there are no metrics - where everything is purely an unknown.
It is entirely possible that Williams could become one of the greatest coaches of all time - hall of fame - a basketball deity .... or he just be mediocre and undistinguished - - and ultimately better suited to follow the analyst / broadcaster path ...... we just don't know - there is no real evidence to point to - just is no way to predict with certainty how it would turn out.

Just don't know how Hobbs could assess whether Williams is one of those managerial 'savants' - that can, on a moment's notice, comprehensively articulate a strategic vision complete with tactical execution action plans - and an understanding of critical interrelationships, process sequence and ... really important .... how to inspire & develop personnel and insightfully delegate.
Usually, it takes at least a brief period of 'apprenticeship' to enable a coach's talents to gel & benefit from some real-world perspective - that could be in the form of 'shadowing' a coaching giant - or helming a smaller program for a bit.
 

Russ Wood

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I cant see those schools competing with SMU, Memphis, UConn and Cincy and now Houston with Sampson plus Temple. Did they make the tourney once? several years back...and USF maybe a worse job than RU..
As we know Johnny Dawkins did get the UCF job. Took them to the NIT final four in his first season. His team had injuries to two starters that resulted in a combined 31 games missed. In his third season UCF finished ahead of SMU, Memphis, UConn, Temple and made it to the NCAA Tournament and was one coach K ref away from beating Duke and Zion Williamson. Took a step back in his fourth season because he lost four starters.

UCF is a good job.

USF is a average job. Very good facilities, fertile recruiting territory, it pays well, no state income tax. They've just made poor hires after Seth Greenberg built up the program.

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