I think RU recruited Hurley but how heavily who knows, but those were glory days for SHU. There are plenty of more reasons that Jay is a bad hire besides his last minute spurning of RU
Warming up to Jay Williams
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I think RU recruited Hurley but how heavily who knows, but those were glory days for SHU. There are plenty of more reasons that Jay is a bad hire besides his last minute spurning of RU
I completely disagree and the interest in the job is pretty high. With the right coach UCF can get the kids who leave their state for schools like Chattanooga, VCU even BC.
Very good facilities including a basketball only practice facility and weight room.
A very nice modern campus in a fun town for young people -- Orlando. Great weather in the winter. Florida girls.
Also, if there isn't a mass transfer or their 2016 class doesn't ask for their release it's a better starting point than Antigua had at USF.
Also, this season Antigua lost his starting back court to season ending injuries by the tenth game of the season.
I cant see those schools competing with SMU, Memphis, UConn and Cincy and now Houston with Sampson plus Temple. Did they make the tourney once? several years back...and USF maybe a worse job than RU..
If we hire Williams we should just pack it in.
Little Jay?? Has Donald Trump's influence officially reached our message board?
USF beat Memphis and Houston this season. USF was six points away from the sweet sixteen in the 2012 NCAA Tournament. They have better facilities than Rutgers.
UCF was in something called the Trans America Athletic Conference, a few years ago. But a few years back, late 90s I think, they were ranked in the Top 10.
facilities true but how are they going to get kids to go down there and play. That Heath team was a one hit wonder and then they fell hard
There is plenty of in-state talent. Plus, it isn't too hard to get people to come to Florida. Particularly if you have the right coach.
Both UCF & USF are programs who have gone from small D1 conferences to increasingly bigger conferences, possibly before they were ready. USF wasn't ready for the BE and Stan Heath just did not recruit well.
No reasonable person could possibly be so reckless as to even consider Williams. It is either false or a pr move.
There is no better time to try a hail mary on a hire as now. If we can get Jay Williams at a good price.. and afford a very experienced assistant who is nearing retirement age to mentor him.. WHY NOT?
It is not like sure thing hires are knocking down our door. And rumor is that even Hurley is asking for the kitchen sink.. and his fiery style reminds many of Rice at his worst. We'd get clobbered if he yells at a player who then complains to the media.
We need a champion.. JW has a ring from this century.
lets do it!
It is not like sure thing hires are knocking down our door. And rumor is that even Hurley is asking for the kitchen sink.. and his fiery style reminds many of Rice at his worst. We'd get clobbered if he yells at a player who then complains to the media.
We need a champion.. JW has a ring from this century.
lets do it!
That's right. Hire Williams. Then hire an assistant who can recruit and another assistant who can coach. And then sit back and wonder what exactly we hired Williams to do.
And here I was thinking that there is no worse time.
Rather, what RU needs, for the first time in decades, is a thoughtful coaching search that results in a productive hire, not a blindfolded roll of dice.
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Eddie Jordan had more contacts than Little Jay ever had and look how much that helped
Yeah.. you guys all want to lay down millions and millions for a top name. We don't have the money. We literally have nothing to lose.. no cachet, no momentum, no positive word of mouth.. if we fail with a hire we lose 2-3 years of seeing the same crap product we have seen for the last 3 years. And we will be in the exact same position we are now.. but.. we would have..
- just tried a long-shot candidate..
- would be closer to the Big Ten money coming in
- hopefully, we would have football on a better footing and we would have built some new facilities for the next guy
No better time to roll the dice.
They reportedly offered Hurley around $2million annually where do you see Rutgers not willing to pay for a good HC?
Not sure what to say other than that none of this is convincing. It seems like a mixture of desperation, exasperation and resignation. I hope that isn't how Hobbs is approaching it.
Let's start with hiring a guy that's actually been a coach of some kind first. Then, we can talk about money. There is no worse time than the present to roll the dice. Idiotic.
Didn't Sarah Palin play basketball. Hire her. That's even more of a longshot and will even better allow us to waste our time until the B1G money comes in.
If you think Williams is a good hire than you have a serious case of stokholm syndrome.
Look I didn't follow college basketball recruiting much in high school, as most by friends were high profile football recruits not basketball. But I have never heard of this guy until today and I'm 30 and a sports fan.
He hasn't coached, and I see no reason why people think he could recruit. Some older guys who followed recruiting and college ball back then seem to think he'd be a good move BC apparently he was a great NJ ball player etc. But I don't see why he would be any better than Eddie, and it has nothing to do with his "spurning" RU BC I knew nothing about that.
Look I didn't follow college basketball recruiting much in high school, as most by friends were high profile football recruits not basketball. But I have never heard of this guy until today and I'm 30 and a sports fan.
He hasn't coached, and I see no reason why people think he could recruit. Some older guys who followed recruiting and college ball back then seem to think he'd be a good move BC apparently he was a great NJ ball player etc. But I don't see why he would be any better than Eddie, and it has nothing to do with his "spurning" RU BC I knew nothing about that.
That's funny. Frankly, I didn't even know Williams was on ESPN until now, and still thought it was Jason, not Jay.
He was a point guard for Coach K at Duke. You know Coach K like floor generals. When was the last time you thought that a Rutgers guard was a floor general?
At a minimum, I think a Jay Williams would fix that.
BTW.. I am not advocating hiring Jay Williams over any other candidate.. I think that if you are going to take a risk on a hire.. as a youth movement.. a a PR move.. as a money saving venture.. take a risk on a low paid guy and see what happens.. now is the time to do that.
You people act like finding millions to pay Hurley or even more fora bigger name is a sure thing. It is not. It has been so long since anyone has won here.. since anyone has built the program up at all.. that we have no idea who can get the job done here. The intersection of
A) available coaches who have proven they can win AND..
B) coaches we can afford AND..
C) coaches willing to come coach at Rutgers
.. it has to be verging on unicorn land... yeah, I think we have to take a risk.
He was a point guard for Coach K at Duke. You know Coach K like floor generals. When was the last time you thought that a Rutgers guard was a floor general?
At a minimum, I think a Jay Williams would fix that.
BTW.. I am not advocating hiring Jay Williams over any other candidate.. I think that if you are going to take a risk on a hire.. as a youth movement.. a a PR move.. as a money saving venture.. take a risk on a low paid guy and see what happens.. now is the time to do that.
You people act like finding millions to pay Hurley or even more fora bigger name is a sure thing. It is not. It has been so long since anyone has won here.. since anyone has built the program up at all.. that we have no idea who can get the job done here. The intersection of
A) available coaches who have proven they can win AND..
B) coaches we can afford AND..
C) coaches willing to come coach at Rutgers
.. it has to be verging on unicorn land... yeah, I think we have to take a risk.
My inkling is that there is some fire to the smoke w the latest leaks and we offered Hurley around 2 mil which IMO is too much for Hurley. So its not about money. But your logic seems like the same logic used to justify keeping Eddie. So why not just keep Eddie? I now know that Williams played guard for Duke. So what? EJ coached NBA stars. D. Fisher was a "field general" for Phil Jackson. So what?
Williams would be a bad hire. Esp, esp if he got paid more or equal to Eddie plus eddies buyout. People are just trying to pump themselves up after what is looking like a probable let down. Because, unlike RU football, RU bball is a very undesirable job.
Why in the world would Hobbs interview Williams? Was Hobbs still drunk from the SHU BET Victory Manhugs? What is the logic? For a possible ***'t Coach Position hopefully just like Hubert Davis did when he went to UNC.
Do you realize we are a STATE sponsored university? Okay, I'm assuming you do. That being said do you realize that any legitimate candidate, for an posted open position at a state university, pretty much has to be interviewed? Okay, you probably didn't, so as far as I know - at least going back 2+ decades - this is the case. Now, neither you nor I would be interviewed, however, Jayson Williams probably has enough a resume to warrant a call if not, at the very least, a first interview. The fact that he has pushed, and has had his friends in the media industry push him, makes it almost impossible NOT to give him, at the very least, a "hey Jay, we understand your interested..." which, in the eyes of OUR media, obviously, can turn into "Jay Williams is a leading contender for RU HC position...." Even if he isn't close to being a "contender."
That being said, holy ****, people need to calm the f*ck down. It hasn't even been a week since Eddie was fired and, while I get our history here, my Lord, have a little faith that Hobbs is doing, and will continue to do, everything he can to right the ship of a sport he very obviously loves and understand the importance of which, we all know, was a big issue in the past.
Is this for a coaching job? Not true for faculty. We would sometimes get 30-40 legit candidates for a job (and a bunch more we wouldn't consider). Under no obligation to interview any of them if we didn't think they were good enough. Usually, for a regular assistant prof job, we'd bring in 3 or 4 candidates for interviews. Dean jobs and the like is a completely different process with search firms, etc.
Nuts, I'm sure Hobbs interviewed Jay for public relations reasons - he's a highly visible local guy who has always maintained a positive public persona - but they are under no obligation to interview him. Posted open positions occur constantly, and every one has many qualified candidates who will never even be considered, let alone called or interviewed. The only real rules are that jobs have to be posted for ten days, and no qualified candidates can be disqualified on the basis of race, creed, color, orientation, gender, etc., etc.
This is a very good point . My interest in Williams is cooling . Stony brook guy is who I want if not Hurley or sendek .
Explain to me again why Eddie was fired. I still don't get it. I'm not defending his coaching at all, there is no defense, but how did firing him help the Rutgers basketball program ? we'll find out eventually if it did
I've gone to multiple games during the EJ era and Mike Rice era. Anyone who hasn't packed it in already is just delusional. This is what rock bottom is. There is literally nothing the next coach can do to make it any worse than what it is now.
So forget game day experience (even though I would say being NCAA player of the year in Coach K's offense is experience enough).
Forget boring no names like Masiello, etc. You think any high school kid in New Jersey is getting excited for those mid-major guys when Turgeron, Dixon or Jay Wright are walking into their living rooms?
Give me a young guy with a lot of charisma. I'll take Jay Williams as a "James Franklin" of college basketball. You need 2 solid recruiting classes to turn around a college basketball program.
And guess what??? If it backfires, we are EXACTLY where we are now.
So forget game day experience (even though I would say being NCAA player of the year in Coach K's offense is experience enough).
Forget boring no names like Masiello, etc. You think any high school kid in New Jersey is getting excited for those mid-major guys when Turgeron, Dixon or Jay Wright are walking into their living rooms?
Give me a young guy with a lot of charisma. I'll take Jay Williams as a "James Franklin" of college basketball. You need 2 solid recruiting classes to turn around a college basketball program.
And guess what??? If it backfires, we are EXACTLY where we are now.
He didn't graduate from UK, lied about it, got caught, tried to get someone at UK to say he did graduate and there was a clerical error.
Good stuff