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Corey Stewart resorting late in the campaign to the Trump scare tactics.....liberal mobs, take your guns, get rid of ICE, criminals crossing the border, raise taxes......Has no agenda of his own and now is getting stupid and desperate. He must not have much money because I rarely see his ads unlike the 7th District House race here in VA.

I have no rooting interest other than Kaine is my neighbor and I would like the see the Dems take at least one side of congress. Kaine is a blah candidate at best.
 
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Corey Stewart resorting late in the campaign to the Trump scare tactics.....liberal mobs, take your guns, get rid of ICE, criminals crossing the border, raise taxes......Has no agenda of his own and now is getting stupid and desperate. He must not have much money because I rarely see his ads unlike the 7th District House race here in VA.

I have no rooting interest other than Kaine is my neighbor and I would like the see the Dems take at least one side of congress. Kaine is a blah candidate at best.
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Nothing in there not true with lying Tim Kaine. He's for raising taxes, against border control, gun control, and raising taxes. He's taking credit for the surge in jobs here. He's a grating on your nerves politician.
 
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Nothing in there not true with lying Tim Kaine. He's for raising taxes, against border control, gun control, and raising taxes. He's taking credit for the surge in jobs here. He's a grating on your nerves politician.
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So if I'm voting for Kaine...what am I voting for? I'm reading Gun control, higher taxes, no ICE, and no wall?

Should I assume his opponent is opposite all of that? (ie: for a wall, supports ICE, lower taxes, and no more limits on our 2nd amendment rights?)

I don't know who the other guy is, but I'm not voting for Kaine if I lived in Virginia.
 
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So if I'm voting for Kaine...what am I voting for? I'm reading Gun control, higher taxes, no ICE, and no wall?

Should I assume his opponent is opposite all of that? (ie: for a wall, supports ICE, lower taxes, and no more limits on our 2nd amendment rights?)

I don't know who the other guy is, but I'm not voting for Kaine if I lived in Virginia.
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Stewart is for Trump. The trouble is, northern Va has been turned into little socialist MAryland and you have eastern va and Richmond. If it's close, Soros gets this independent to run, Sarvis, and he pulls enough to keep Warner from losing to Gillespie. Sarvis pulled enough to keep McCauliffe from losing in another close race to Gillespie. Gillespie was the former Republican National chairman. It's gotten really hard for a conservative to win. Va is going to turn into a **** state if the Republicans lose both houses. They still have one.
 
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Stewart is for Trump. The trouble is, northern Va has been turned into little socialist MAryland and you have eastern va and Richmond. If it's close, Soros gets this independent to run, Sarvis, and he pulls enough to keep Warner from losing to Gillespie. Sarvis pulled enough to keep McCauliffe from losing in another close race to Gillespie. Gillespie was the former Republican National chairman. It's gotten really hard for a conservative to win. Va is going to turn into a **** state if the Republicans lose both houses. They still have one.
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What State doesn't where Democrats are left to run things? Look at California? Jersey? New York? Illinois?
 
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What State doesn't doesn't where Democrats are left to run things? Look at California? Jersey? New York? Illinois?
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California's economy is rocking dude. State debt of 5.2% is less than the average state debt of 5.8%. Illinois is a mess. NJ is a mess. I'll give you that.
 
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California's economy is rocking dude. State debt of 5.2% is less than the average state debt of 5.8%. Illinois is a mess. NJ is a mess. I'll give you that.
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California has always had a diverse and expansive economy. But people and businesses are getting the Hell out of there because of high taxes and over regulation of business.

Business exodus from California more troubling than sanctuary policies

https://chiefexecutive.net/business-exodus-california-troubling-sanctuary-policies/

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"According to a November report from the U.S Census Bureau, the Golden State has had 142,932 more residents exit to live in other states than people arriving from other states. This domestic outmigration was the second largest outflow in the U.S. behind New York and New Jersey. Last year marks the first anniversary of the announcement that Carl’s Jr., a California burger icon for more than six decades, was relocating its headquarters to Nashville. It’s a symbol for what’s become a stream of businesses that have quit California. What was once an almost quiet exodus of companies now looks more like a stampede"

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A generation plans exodus from California

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"An analysis of IRS data from 2015-16, the latest available, shows that while roughly half those leaving the state made under $50,000 annually, half made above that. Roughly one in four made over $100,000 and another quarter earned a middle-class paycheck between $50,000 and $100,000. We also lose among the wealthiest segment, the people best able to withstand California’s costs, but by much smaller percentages".

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/09/08/a-generation-plans-an-exodus-from-california/
 
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Stewart is for Trump. The trouble is, northern Va has been turned into little socialist MAryland and you have eastern va and Richmond. If it's close, Soros gets this independent to run, Sarvis, and he pulls enough to keep Warner from losing to Gillespie. Sarvis pulled enough to keep McCauliffe from losing in another close race to Gillespie. Gillespie was the former Republican National chairman. It's gotten really hard for a conservative to win. Va is going to turn into a **** state if the Republicans lose both houses. They still have one.
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Here comes the Soros reference!!
 
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So if I'm voting for Kaine...what am I voting for? I'm reading Gun control, higher taxes, no ICE, and no wall?

Should I assume his opponent is opposite all of that? (ie: for a wall, supports ICE, lower taxes, and no more limits on our 2nd amendment rights?)

I don't know who the other guy is, but I'm not voting for Kaine if I lived in Virginia.
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He isn't for getting rid of ICE
 
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then why isn't there funding allocated for the wall?
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Incrementally there has been some funding. Some of it has to do with the arcane nature of the budget process itself, and some of it is quite frankly politics. I believe after these midterms, we'll see full funding for it. It's still an issue, particularly with the "caravan" and all the issues about border security it exposes. Trump got elected promising to build it, and I see no lack of will on his part to see it completed and Yes, Mexico will pay for it.
 
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Original Mountaineer1 said:
Corey Stewart resorting late in the campaign to the Trump scare tactics.....liberal mobs, take your guns, get rid of ICE, criminals crossing the border, raise taxes......Has no agenda of his own and now is getting stupid and desperate. He must not have much money because I rarely see his ads unlike the 7th District House race here in VA.

I have no rooting interest other than Kaine is my neighbor and I would like the see the Dems take at least one side of congress. Kaine is a blah candidate at best.
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Stewart is a jerk....kaine is a hillary backing socialist liberal.....time for a write in vote
 
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Incrementally there has been some funding. Some of it has to do with the arcane nature of the budget process itself, and some of it is quite frankly politics. I believe after these midterms, we'll see full funding for it. It's still an issue, particularly with the "caravan" and all the issues about border security it exposes. Trump got elected promising to build it, and I see no lack of will on his part to see it completed and Yes, Mexico will pay for it.
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I know you can read to the pathetically low average level of this forum.....so I would suggest you do a little research on the topic other than what your friends on right wing social media type
 
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Stewart is for Trump. The trouble is, northern Va has been turned into little socialist MAryland and you have eastern va and Richmond. If it's close, Soros gets this independent to run, Sarvis, and he pulls enough to keep Warner from losing to Gillespie. Sarvis pulled enough to keep McCauliffe from losing in another close race to Gillespie. Gillespie was the former Republican National chairman. It's gotten really hard for a conservative to win. Va is going to turn into a **** state if the Republicans lose both houses. They still have one.
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This! Still think if the RNC had realized Warner was vlnerable and helped Gillespie earlier with some funds that he could have won... Unfortunately, Stewart does not have much name recognition and Kaine's war chest is big. You are exactly right about the Northern Va politics - BLUE all the way. Ever since Bob McDonald was torpedoed, it has been this way. Even though his wife took gifts, he was vigorously prosecuted. She should not have taken the gifts, but eventually the Supreme Court found them innocent (unanimous vote). Unfortunaltey, he was the last conservative to have a promising future. Since Baracks DOJ took him down, he is now $10 million in debt with no political career left. But as Harry Reed would say, it is OK a life was destroyed as long as Warner & Kaine keep winning and Virginia stays blue.
 
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Yes and I am Melanie's pool boy when Tiny performs at his rallies
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I know you can read to the pathetically low average level of this forum.....so I would suggest you do a little research on the topic other than what your friends on right wing social media type
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Well I also vote. I'm telling you the voters are the driving force behind seeing that Wall built. Trump just voiced their support for it, and gives voice to it. I agree with you many of the linguine spine politicians probably would rather avoid the topic, but they want to get elected and keep their cushy jobs too OM1. So they know they have to support funding for it if they want to keep their jobs because that's what their constituents demand.

It's going to be funded and built. Bank on it.
 
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Well I also vote. I'm telling you the voters are the driving force behind seeing that Wall built. Trump just voiced their support for it, and gives voice to it. I agree with you many of the linguine spine politicians probably would rather avoid the topic, but they want to get elected and keep their cushy jobs too OM1. So they know they have to support funding for it if they want to keep their jobs because that's what their constituents demand.

It's going to be funded and built. Bank on it.
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What’s another 25 billion in debt when the republicans spend like drunken sailors. $975 billion or 1 trillion of debt next year. But you and your conservative buddies rejoice
 
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What’s another 25 billion in debt when the republicans spend like drunken sailors. $975 billion or 1 trillion of debt next year. But you and your conservative buddies rejoice
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Well I look at it this way OM1. What does illegal immigration cost us? In terms of the services they require? Law enforcement. Housing, food assistance, education and let's not even talk about the strain on an already financially strained Health care delivery system? Did I mention the priceless lives that are lost at the hands of illegal immigrant criminals? Who pays those Families back OM1?

To me it's a small price to pay to not only restore order along that border, but reduce our other expenses fighting this influx of folks who simply violate our sovereignty as a Nation. We have the duty to protect our borders. I know the Left chants "no borders, no Walls, immigration for all" but we simply cannot take in everyone who just decides to come here...especially if they do so illegally.

Build the damn wall!
 
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Well I look at it this way OM1. What does illegal immigration cost us? In terms of the services they require? Law enforcement. Housing, food assistance, education and let's not even talk about the strain on an already financially strained Health care delivery system? Did I mention the priceless lives that are lost at the hands of illegal immigrant criminals? Who pays those Families back OM1?

To me it's a small price to pay to not only restore order along that border, but reduce our other expenses fighting this influx of folks who simply violate our sovereignty as a Nation. We have the duty to protect our borders. I know the Left chants "no borders, no Walls, immigration for all" but we simply cannot take in everyone who just decides to come here...especially if they do so illegally.

Build the damn wall!
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The debt grew the most during Obama’s 2 terms. Of course he blamed it on Bush. It is simple to me, grow the economy, grow the tax base, take even more people off welfare and food stamps, put the tariff income towards the wall and Social Security(that BO robbed to fund OB Care), cut down the cost of illegal drug addiction. And yes cut government budget spending by 5% year over year.

These are all Trump promises. Except for how to use the tariff income that is about to start rolling in. Trump keeps his promises. Time will tell if it can work. But at least I have a good idea what the plan is. Schumer & Pelosi & Fiensteim are immoral in their search for votes/power. It should not be rewarded at the ballot box. From what I’ve seen, like it or not, Trump does what he promises. Fine with me.
 
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The debt grew the most during Obama’s 2 terms. Of course he blamed it on Bush. It is simple to me, grow the economy, grow the tax base, take even more people off welfare and food stamps, put the tariff income towards the wall and Social Security(that BO robbed to fund OB Care), cut down the cost of illegal drug addiction. And yes cut government budget spending by 5% year over year.

These are all Trump promises. Except for how to use the tariff income that is about to start rolling in. Trump keeps his promises. Time will tell if it can work. But at least I have a good idea what the plan is. Schumer & Pelosi & Fiensteim are immoral in their search for votes/power. It should not be rewarded at the ballot box. From what I’ve seen, like it or not, Trump does what he promises. Fine with me.
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The Mack Penny plan is still in the House. A Republican super majority could move it to the Senate, where if we can pick up 5 or 6 more seats in these mid terms we'd have a veto proof majority. Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote!

Penny plan explained

https://www.enzi.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/penny-plan

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Penny plan puts the spotlight on our of control federal spending

https://www.heritage.org/budget-and...ts-the-spotlight-out-control-federal-spending

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"While budget discussions in Washington can be very complex and hard to follow for most people, the penny plan is easy to understand. It would simply reduce spending by 1 percent".
 
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JWG66 said:
The debt grew the most during Obama’s 2 terms. Of course he blamed it on Bush. It is simple to me, grow the economy, grow the tax base, take even more people off welfare and food stamps, put the tariff income towards the wall and Social Security(that BO robbed to fund OB Care), cut down the cost of illegal drug addiction. And yes cut government budget spending by 5% year over year.

These are all Trump promises. Except for how to use the tariff income that is about to start rolling in. Trump keeps his promises. Time will tell if it can work. But at least I have a good idea what the plan is. Schumer & Pelosi & Fiensteim are immoral in their search for votes/power. It should not be rewarded at the ballot box. From what I’ve seen, like it or not, Trump does what he promises. Fine with me.
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Grow the economy past full employment? People need a dose of reality. The economy is very good, and our deficit is higher than it's been since 2011 or so. God forbid the economy takes a bad turn. We'll bankrupt ourselves.
 
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Grow the economy past full employment? People need a dose of reality. The economy is very good, and our deficit is higher than it's been since 2011 or so. God forbid the economy takes a bad turn. We'll bankrupt ourselves.
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You're right Mule...we can't afford a downturn...but we have a spending problem not a revenue problem. A strong vibrant economy naturally grows as wealth is generated and expanded. Nothing to fear about a downturn or even unemployment when new products and services are steadily adding additional wealth through business expansions, increased savings, investments, and consumer purchasing power through higher earnings and more take home pay. Standards of living simply increase, and that grows the economy.

What we need to do is reform entitlements. That's where the gold is stashed, and where we'd achieve our biggest savings. It's going to take bold leadership, and permission from the American people to pay for their own retirement insurance, health insurance, medicine, and housing. However in an expanding economy, if this isn't when we tackle entitlement reforms, when will we?
 
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Grow the economy past full employment? People need a dose of reality. The economy is very good, and our deficit is higher than it's been since 2011 or so. God forbid the economy takes a bad turn. We'll bankrupt ourselves.
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It takes time. Small business income and capital investments are not measured by unemployment. Several years of business coming to America and capital returning as well takes time. If a small business doubles its income, unemployment may not go down, but tax revenue for Federal taxes increases. The pay a worker gets from a job at US Steel or GM is better than what they can earn at Hardee’s. But unemployment may not go down.

Lost in all of this stupid finger pointing is we (yes you and I) need to fight China, Russia, Iran & North Korea. BO’s plan of strategic tolerance was simply a way to stick his *** up and head into the sand and do nothing. And China and others were taking our innovations and hitting us in our wallets. I’m just glad we are fighting economically but not militarily. Finally, I’m glad Republicans are learning how to fight in the courts. By the time Trump is done, much of the circuit courts will be equalized and less will be obstructed that way. Hey, they just took a page from Harry Reed’s play book.
 
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It takes time. Small business income and capital investments are not measured by unemployment. Several years of business coming to America and capital returning as well takes time. If a small business doubles its income, unemployment may not go down, but tax revenue for Federal taxes increases. The pay a worker gets from a job at USSteel it GM is better than what they can earn at Hardee’s. But unemployment may not go down.

Lost in all of this stupid finger pointing is we(yes you and I) need to fight China, Russia, Iran & North Korea. BO’s plan of strategic tolerance was simply a way to stick his *** up and head into the sand and do nothing. And China and others were taking our innovations and hitting us in our wallets. I’m just glad we are fighting economically but not militarily. Finally, I’m glad Republicans are learning how to fight in the courts. By the time Trump is done, much of the circuit courts will be equalized and less will be obstructed that way. Hey, they just took a page from Harry Reed’s play book.
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I really like this post! :eek:kay:
 
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It takes time. Small business income and capital investments are not measured by unemployment. Several years of business coming to America and capital returning as well takes time. If a small business doubles its income, unemployment may not go down, but tax revenue for Federal taxes increases. The pay a worker gets from a job at USSteel it GM is better than what they can earn at Hardee’s. But unemployment may not go down.

Lost in all of this stupid finger pointing is we(yes you and I) need to fight China, Russia, Iran & North Korea. BO’s plan of strategic tolerance was simply a way to stick his *** up and head into the sand and do nothing. And China and others were taking our innovations and hitting us in our wallets. I’m just glad we are fighting economically but not militarily. Finally, I’m glad Republicans are learning how to fight in the courts. By the time Trump is done, much of the circuit courts will be equalized and less will be obstructed that way. Hey, they just took a page from Harry Reed’s play book.
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Wage growth is pretty much where it has been since 2015. I understand your model, but if we are this far from balance with full employment and wage growth is where it has been, your model doesn't fix anything. It just isn't an accurate reflection of what is really happening.
 
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I really like this post! :eek:kay:
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Let’s get together in about 3-4 years and see if the deficit has come down. I’ll buy the first round. I am mindful that plenty of well educated economists think this is the wrong thing to do. And there are many forces that impact it(can you spell FED?).

TIME will tell.
 
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The debt grew the most during Obama’s 2 terms. Of course he blamed it on Bush. It is simple to me, grow the economy, grow the tax base, take even more people off welfare and food stamps, put the tariff income towards the wall and Social Security(that BO robbed to fund OB Care), cut down the cost of illegal drug addiction. And yes cut government budget spending by 5% year over year.

These are all Trump promises. Except for how to use the tariff income that is about to start rolling in. Trump keeps his promises. Time will tell if it can work. But at least I have a good idea what the plan is. Schumer & Pelosi & Fiensteim are immoral in their search for votes/power. It should not be rewarded at the ballot box. From what I’ve seen, like it or not, Trump does what he promises. Fine with me.
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The three you mentioned are a pretty scummy trio but you really think Trump isn't immoral in his search for votes? My God he lied about all his political opponents during the campaign. The lock up Clinton BS when she has never been charged with a crime? Asking Russia to find the missing emails and magically they find emails. (Coincidence?). Middle class tax cuts by next week?

How is that different? It isn't if you are honest with yourself.
 
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