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[FreeSC]

I think there is a lot of truth here, but it's pretty clear to me that poverty has the biggest impact on the others. Not the other way around.

Proverty is the result, not the cause.
Statistically, if you graduate from high school, don't have kids out of wedlock, and don't get married until you're 21, there is a 97% chance that yiu will NOT live in poverty.

Which makes total sense, if you think about it.

 

[FreeSC]

A study of the numbers related to homicides is telling: according to the CDC, about 80% oh homocides are gang related. They are predominantly from single parent homes.

 

[FreeSC]

Sure don't want to teach them non-Christian values of love and forgiveness. Gun violence is at a 20 year low in spite of your assessment that what is happening today isn't working.

Patially because the number of guns owned by society in general has been on the rise during the same time period.

Ever heard of Kennesaw, Ga? You should read up on them sometime.

 

[Clems0nTiger]

Proverty is the result, not the cause.
Statistically, if you graduate from high school, don't have kids out of wedlock, and don't get married until you're 21, there is a 97% chance that yiu will NOT live in poverty.

Which makes total sense, if you think about it.

That is nothing more than correlation. Of course people not in poverty would tend to have the other 2 attributes.

Low income areas can't generate enough local money for schools. Kids get a crappy education just like generations before them. Poor education leads to poor choices, leads to crime. Shedding family responsibilities is not only socially acceptable, but also a money saver. Cycle repeats. Start with education, which needs money to fund it in the first place.

 

[clemsonu96]

So I should have guns in a night club where its dark, people have been drinking, the crowds leave little personal space and you can hear about nothing?

Or in a church at Wednesday night bible study. Your choice.

Really, I am sick of this f-ing argument.

 

[Clems0nTiger]

Patially because the number of guns owned by society in general has been on the rise during the same time period.

Ever heard of Kennesaw, Ga? You should read up on them sometime.

I won't argue that it's not a contributing factor. Just arguing that not all is bleak in the world today. We live in a world of historically unprecedented prosperity, nonviolence and peace. Our media filters are sensitively in tune to the bad stuff.

 

[Earle36]

Looks like SteeleTiger and Iceheart tucked tail and ran. Getting their butts kicked.
They're Probaly married and are spooning.
Thanks Obama...

 

[clemsonu96]

Serious question not that it matters but it sure helps, but do police destroy guns that are confiscated from searches?

 

[FreeSC]

That is nothing more than correlation. Of course people not in poverty would tend to have the other 2 attributes.

Low income areas can't generate enough local money for schools. Kids get a crappy education just like generations before them. Poor education leads to poor choices, leads to crime. Shedding family responsibilities is not only socially acceptable, but also a money saver. Cycle repeats. Start with education, which needs money to fund it in the first place.

The lower income areas of our state actually get MORE money per student than the higher income areas. My socialist, liveral son didn't believe it either, til he looked it up.
Has nothing to do with money in schools. BTE, i went to a private school in Orangeburg that spent 1/2 the money, per student, that the local public school spent, and our avg SAT scores were 250pts higher. 97% of my high school class went to college. There is simply no bigger waste of tax dollars than public education. We should privatize education immediately if we had a brain. And yes, we had all the major sports, band, and school buses, so don't even think of going there. One of the biggest problems with socialized school is that under 50% of the $ spent ever gets to the school. The majority is wasted on beaurocracy which produces nothing, just like everything else the government does.

If you don't believe what I'm telling you, look it up. All this info is available on the Internet.

 

[TigerDutch]

The lower income areas of our state actually get MORE money per student than the higher income areas. My socialist, liveral son didn't believe it either, til he looked it up.
Has nothing to do with money in schools. BTE, i went to a private school in Orangeburg that spent 1/2 the money, per student, that the local public school spent, and our avg SAT scores were 250pts higher. 97% of my high school class went to college. There is simply no bigger waste of tax dollars than public education. We should privatize education immediately if we had a brain. And yes, we had all the major sports, band, and school buses, so don't even think of going there. One of the biggest problems with socialized school is that under 50% of the $ spent ever gets to the school. The majority is wasted on beaurocracy which produces nothing, just like everything else the government does.

If you don't believe what I'm telling you, look it up. All this info is available on the Internet.

Oh snap, a Wade Hampton - Willington prep grad. Of course they spent less on your education, your parents were paying tuition.

Of course, your school was also likely 100% white and a white flight school......but let's not mention that.

 

[firegiver]

You can print guns with 3D printers

Dude this!

 

[Clems0nTiger]

The lower income areas of our state actually get MORE money per student than the higher income areas. My socialist, liveral son didn't believe it either, til he looked it up.
Has nothing to do with money in schools. BTE, i went to a private school in Orangeburg that spent 1/2 the money, per student, that the local public school spent, and our avg SAT scores were 250pts higher. 97% of my high school class went to college. There is simply no bigger waste of tax dollars than public education. We should privatize education immediately if we had a brain. And yes, we had all the major sports, band, and school buses, so don't even think of going there. One of the biggest problems with socialized school is that under 50% of the $ spent ever gets to the school. The majority is wasted on beaurocracy which produces nothing, just like everything else the government does.

If you don't believe what I'm telling you, look it up. All this info is available on the Internet.

Sources, por favor.

I'm talking the total cost, per person, both privately and publicly. Federal funding is no more than 10%. State and local government fund the rest, and much of that is sales and income tax. Within city funding, which hosts the burden of cost, that breaks down to property taxes which are voted upon by school levies (at least where I grew up, that is). At this level, wealthier communities have an immense advantage.

 

[The Tifoon]

That is nothing more than correlation. Of course people not in poverty would tend to have the other 2 attributes.

Low income areas can't generate enough local money for schools. Kids get a crappy education just like generations before them. Poor education leads to poor choices, leads to crime. Shedding family responsibilities is not only socially acceptable, but also a money saver. Cycle repeats. Start with education, which needs money to fund it in the first place.

I grew up in one of these areas you speak of. I was a minority. One of 2 white kids in my class. Lost my first tooth because I was a "cracka". Lots of racism and hatred from kids because I was white. Once they seperated us out as a result of our grades, I found myself still a minority, but the kids around me were smart, clean, not racist and came from a home with 2 parents that cared about them. Everyone from my class went to college despite our poverty. Poverty wasn't the issue.

 

[Clems0nTiger]

I grew up in one of these areas you speak of. I was a minority. One of 2 white kids in my class. Lost my first tooth because I was a "cracka". Lots of racism and hatred from kids because I was white. Once they seperated us out as a result of our grades, I found myself still a minority, but the kids around me were smart, clean, not racist and came from a home with 2 parents that cared about them. Everyone from my class went to college despite our poverty. Poverty wasn't the issue.

Congratulations. And I ate breakfast this morning, so world hunger isn't an issue, either.

 

[iceheart08]

I grew up in one of these areas you speak of. I was a minority. One of 2 white kids in my class. Lost my first tooth because I was a "cracka". Lots of racism and hatred from kids because I was white. Once they seperated us out as a result of our grades, I found myself still a minority, but the kids around me were smart, clean, not racist and came from a home with 2 parents that cared about them. Everyone from my class went to college despite our poverty. Poverty wasn't the issue.

whats the issue then?

 

[The Tifoon]

Congratulations. And I ate breakfast this morning, so world hunger isn't an issue, either.[QUOTE]

How many meals have you missed in your lifetime? Easy to sit in a middle class, white home and make accusations. I lived it.

Tell us about what it's like to be a farmer in China. You seem to have it all figured out from where you are.

 

[Clems0nTiger]

How many meals have you missed in your lifetime. Easy to sit in a middle class, white home and make accusations. I lived it.

Tell us about what it's like to be a farmer in China. You seem to have it all figured out from where you are.

Your argument is anecdotal.

 

[The Tifoon]

whats the issue then?

Iceheart, honestly, I don't have all the answers, but the difference between the kids who made it and those that didnt, were the 2 parent homes. The kids in the GT class had them. So how do you promote that? I don't know, but I know a recent educator from the area said that the girls have as many kids as possible in order to draw funds from the government. The dads are nowhere to be found, and the grandparents are left to raise the kids. The parent will drop their kids off in a nice car, but clean clothes and food are scarce. So, i think, there has to be a cultural change from within, but I don't think there are enough people that care enough to fight that fight. And those that are able to make it out of that situation, don't come back.

 

[The Tifoon]

Your argument is anecdotal.

There are plenty of studies that show that kids that come from 2 parent homes thrive at a much higher rate than those without.

 

[Clems0nTiger]

There are plenty of studies that show that kids that come from 2 parent homes thrive at a much higher rate than those without.

I never said that wasn't true. Just that you can't simply draw conclusions, in general, about cause and effect relationships simply because you formed an opinion based on your own personal discovery. It's just as easy to believe, IMO, that people that have success in life also happen to come from 2 parent homes and that doesn't mean one caused the other any more than people who drink a glass of wine each night prevent cancer.

And I'm not trying to throw out the importance of having a stable family environment. Clearly, this is an important part of growth as a child. But, parents are a vital part of the education of a child, too. Giving people information is the greatest thing that I believe you can do for someone.

 

[The Tifoon]

I never said that wasn't true. Just that you can't simply draw conclusions, in general, about cause and effect relationships simply because you formed an opinion based on your own personal discovery. It's just as easy to believe, IMO, that people that have success in life also happen to come from 2 parent homes and that doesn't mean one caused the other any more than people who drink a glass of wine each night prevent cancer.

And I'm not trying to throw out the importance of having a stable family environment. Clearly, this is an important part of growth as a child. But, parents are a vital part of the education of a child, too. Giving people information is the greatest thing that I believe you can do for someone.

And I told you the the data is pretty clear.

I happened to live in one of the poorest, poorly educated counties in SC, so I got to see it first hand. My experience matches the data. In the mist of all that, you could still get a great education. The kids that had a good family situation at home did just that.

 

[kgwillison]

Folks who try to say private school is superior to public school so all schools should be privatized are naive.

Both my kids went to private (parochial) schools through high school. Yes, they were outstanding schools. Had to take tests and interview to get admitted. So how does that compare with public schools where schools have to take anyone in a geographical area?

Tuition was high. Generally speaking, the parents needed to be sufficiently wealthy to pay for that education. That limits who can do as well.

I tutored in a parochial inner city middle school for boys in Washington. The kids - 100 percent minority - entered generally 2 grade levels below what they should have been at when they came to the school in 5th grade. They went to school from 7:30 am till 7 pm. They were fed 3 meals a day and had study hall 4 nights a week. The kids improved dramatically. Their parents paid $10 a month for the education. But do you think that was the actual cost of it? Of course not: private contributions were needed at a level of $15,000 per student. The students are earning scholarships to private high schools.

So let's "privatize" education. Who pays the $15,000 a year to get this kind of performance in the inner cities? Their parents can't. Will you?

 

[IcelandTiger]

please explain to me, after we've made all the guns magically disappear, how people will continue to gain access to those guns that I magically made disappear?

Check out Brazil where the criminals make their own guns

 

[utgolfer]

Folks who try to say private school is superior to public school so all schools should be privatized are naive.

Both my kids went to private (parochial) schools through high school. Yes, they were outstanding schools. Had to take tests and interview to get admitted. So how does that compare with public schools where schools have to take anyone in a geographical area?

Tuition was high. Generally speaking, the parents needed to be sufficiently wealthy to pay for that education. That limits who can do as well.

I tutored in a parochial inner city middle school for boys in Washington. The kids - 100 percent minority - entered generally 2 grade levels below what they should have been at when they came to the school in 5th grade. They went to school from 7:30 am till 7 pm. They were fed 3 meals a day and had study hall 4 nights a week. The kids improved dramatically. Their parents paid $10 a month for the education. But do you think that was the actual cost of it? Of course not: private contributions were needed at a level of $15,000 per student. The students are earning scholarships to private high schools.

So let's "privatize" education. Who pays the $15,000 a year to get this kind of performance in the inner cities? Their parents can't. Will you?

Yea but in most public school districts, they are paying pretty close to $15K/year per student already. And the city in which you tutored, which I salute you for, spends over $25K/year per student. So the money is out there, but the system is just broken beyond repair it seems-its horrific.

I don't know the answers to this mess, its not an easy fix. But the education system in this country is in serious need of restructuring-even at the college level. A lot more of it could be accomplished via online/interactive means IMO, at little if any cost.

DC public school spending

 

[MillerHighLife21]

please explain to me, after we've made all the guns magically disappear, how people will continue to gain access to those guns that I magically made disappear?

Well, it's nothing more than a pebble being pushed out of a tube really fast...so I'm pretty sure that just about anybody could build one...and these days you can 3D print one.

 

[kgwillison]

Yea but in most public school districts, they are paying pretty close to $15K/year per student already. And the city in which you tutored, which I salute you for, spends over $25K/year per student. So the money is out there, but the system is just broken beyond repair it seems-its horrific.

I don't know the answers to this mess, its not an easy fix. But the education system in this country is in serious need of restructuring-even at the college level. A lot more of it could be accomplished via online/interactive means IMO, at little if any cost.

DC public school spending

A major problem urban school districts face is absenteeism. Kids don't go to class. This really is a cycle of poverty. When the kids go home (if they attended school that day), the parents don't read to them and don't help them with or encourage them to do homework. It would be great if we could waive a magic wand and everyone in America's inner cities would start to act like upper income suburbanites but life doesn't work that way.

I can assure you it is much more than a money problem. One of the reasons the Washington Jesuit Academy, where I have tutored, is so successful is that it keeps those kids out of their neighborhoods for 12+ hours a day and the kids have to attend classes in the summer too. It is the poverty-riddled, crime-ridden and drug-infested neighborhoods that lead to trouble, And keeps these kids in a perpetual state of hopelessness. I spoke to a friend who taught in a Washington DC high school just the other day. She said some of her students have never been out of their quadrant of the city. They are stuck in SE Washington, the poorest of the four city quadrants.

 

[cwbarr1]

Illegal aliens will bring them across the Southern border. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Probably would be left overs from someone's fast and furious operation that went rogue.

 

[Edistoplayer]

The lower income areas of our state actually get MORE money per student than the higher income areas. My socialist, liveral son didn't believe it either, til he looked it up.
Has nothing to do with money in schools. BTE, i went to a private school in Orangeburg that spent 1/2 the money, per student, that the local public school spent, and our avg SAT scores were 250pts higher. 97% of my high school class went to college. There is simply no bigger waste of tax dollars than public education. We should privatize education immediately if we had a brain. And yes, we had all the major sports, band, and school buses, so don't even think of going there. One of the biggest problems with socialized school is that under 50% of the $ spent ever gets to the school. The majority is wasted on beaurocracy which produces nothing, just like everything else the government does.

If you don't believe what I'm telling you, look it up. All this info is available on the Internet.

An OP brat... you left off the part about how expensive it is to attend OP. So your parents had money to afford it and you're successful what a surprise.
http://www.orangeburgprep.com/About_OPS/tuition.html

 

[appalachiatiger]

Folks who try to say private school is superior to public school so all schools should be privatized are naive.

Both my kids went to private (parochial) schools through high school. Yes, they were outstanding schools. Had to take tests and interview to get admitted. So how does that compare with public schools where schools have to take anyone in a geographical area?

Tuition was high. Generally speaking, the parents needed to be sufficiently wealthy to pay for that education. That limits who can do as well.

I tutored in a parochial inner city middle school for boys in Washington. The kids - 100 percent minority - entered generally 2 grade levels below what they should have been at when they came to the school in 5th grade. They went to school from 7:30 am till 7 pm. They were fed 3 meals a day and had study hall 4 nights a week. The kids improved dramatically. Their parents paid $10 a month for the education. But do you think that was the actual cost of it? Of course not: private contributions were needed at a level of $15,000 per student. The students are earning scholarships to private high schools.

So let's "privatize" education. Who pays the $15,000 a year to get this kind of performance in the inner cities? Their parents can't. Will you?

how could spending more money be the primary answer to fix our problems on one side of the coin

then on the other money is not the problem for poor peoples problems

i hear all the time, "get a second job" when referring to one of the types of families

but at the same time you need to be home with your kids

lifting people out of poverty is providing jobs that pay enough to survive

sure would make their lives alot easier and really help out the kids

would you rarher your employees have 3 square meals a day, a roof over their head, and their kids provided for

or is that second house, expense toys and cars, fine clothes, expnsive meals, and extensive travel more important?

jesus would argue not.

and christians dont hold the patent on compassion, forgiveness, kindness, etc.

those are human values, anyone on the planet can possess those as character traits, and many do.