under whelming recruiting class so far?
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It ain't over until the fat lady sings in February. Until then I don't gnash my teeth.
How much did she charge?
Franklin classes according to Rivals:
2014 #24 signed 25
2015 #15 25
2016 #21 20
2017 #12 21
2018 #5 23
PSU has also been loaded with highly ranked in-state talent lately.
First 3 classes averaged #20. Look familiar? You want top 10-15 classes you have to show it on the field. Period.
Thanks for this. Good information. I made my comments just based on the attitude of so many PSU fans I am surrounded by around here who are constantly telling me what great recruiting classes they have had under Franklin.
Oh boy, the star-gazers are on a roll. Taking over a mighty four win Husker program and before even having our HC play one game.....not having a current top 10 recruiting rating, well.....our recruiting is a total failure!! 
If things are not great in a couple of years, we can repost this thread. Sure looks better than the last four already.
What was UCFs recruiting like? If they can compete with and beat teams at the top then id say they did well enough with recruiting/coaching to compete for nc's and hey...we have their coaches now and we have similar talent. The only thing missing is player development and that comes with time. We may compete for titles sooner than most think.
Wisconsin has owned this division with far less talent. Once recruits see results on the field our recruiting will tick up even more. First the division, then the conference THEN the NC. There is no other way. Be patient grasshopper and go have another 12 pack or two.
So, I can help you, OP. Obviously you remember our era of dominance fondly, but I'd advise you to check those memories away somewhere for a time. We've descended to the level of an also ran program. Say that to yourself over and over until it becomes clear. Then, once you've accepted that, follow along over the next few years as Frost and staff make us relevant again. Go buy some new Husker gear and enjoy the newness of the offense and defense. It's going to be fun.
I'll be here in 2 years, and by that time I think we'll really be able to wring our hands over recruiting 5 star talent. Right now.....just isn't that time.
I'll be here in 2 years, and by that time I think we'll really be able to wring our hands over recruiting 5 star talent. Right now.....just isn't that time.
Every guy that saw us together wondered the same thing I'm sure. It's fun watching other guys sneak creeps at the girl who was with me, instead of the other way around.
The south and a handful of teams outside of the south own college football right now, and I don't see Nebraska denting that structure for more than a few years. I never believed Frost & Co would be pulling top ten classes in the first 3/4 years, but I do believe they are targeting players that can help the program get off the canvas and start to fight back.
The landscape of high school football has changed a lot during the past 20 years with so many good athletes opting to play soccer or lacrosse instead of football, and in state, kids on the football side of things in Nebraska are not as plentiful as two decades ago, as is the case nationally as well. If in the next 3/4 seasons Frost is successful at getting Nebraska in the B1G title game (and winning), better bowls, etc., more 4/5* players will show interest and possibly commit.
A lot of the kids (nationally) now don't know much or care about Nebraska because they've been so far down the pecking order for years, they aren't in the same spotlight as Bama, tOSU, Clemson, OU and the likes. I know some people are questioning the players that the staff has offered or are going after, and I understand that. But in my book, I will wait to see where the chips will fall the next three years, we'll certainly know enough about where the program is headed by the end the season in 2020.
The landscape of high school football has changed a lot during the past 20 years with so many good athletes opting to play soccer or lacrosse instead of football, and in state, kids on the football side of things in Nebraska are not as plentiful as two decades ago, as is the case nationally as well. If in the next 3/4 seasons Frost is successful at getting Nebraska in the B1G title game (and winning), better bowls, etc., more 4/5* players will show interest and possibly commit.
A lot of the kids (nationally) now don't know much or care about Nebraska because they've been so far down the pecking order for years, they aren't in the same spotlight as Bama, tOSU, Clemson, OU and the likes. I know some people are questioning the players that the staff has offered or are going after, and I understand that. But in my book, I will wait to see where the chips will fall the next three years, we'll certainly know enough about where the program is headed by the end the season in 2020.
Let me first ask...aren't you the same guy that posted a similar '***** session' recruiting post a month or so ago? So...you didn't take enough abuse then, so you felt you would post another nearly identically themed post?? Glutton for punishment I guess..
Let me first say that I'm so 'derned' impressed with "under whelming" that I can barely address the rest of your post. Would you be satisfied with Wisconsin results every year? Because Wisconsin is a Top 10 program with lesser recruiting than we've brought into our program since joining the B1G. And Mike Riley...yes the Mike Riley that went 19-19 at Nebraska, lost to them with a last second field goal, and then lost in OT at their place, before being competitive last year for a while.
If there is any other head coach that you think we could have brought to Nebraska that you think we could have done better than Frost, then I'm all ears, but we weren't getting Saban or Urban Meyer, or Chris Peterson or Kelly for that matter. We got the most preeminent young coach in the nation not named Lincoln Riley.
I think Frost and his staff did an exceptional job recruiting with his first class, and will come to realize what type of player they can bring to Nebraska...after they win some games. And they will win some games, simply by virtue of the fact that they will make better athletes of the kids that are currently in the program, and those that will be coming. Why, you ask? Because they are kicking the asses of those players that are here. The idea is to add size and strength, while adding speed and quickness. I think that is occurring in spaids within our Strength and Conditioning program. Say what you will, but a program that is bringing high 3-star and 4-star talent into a program and developing that talent can be very competitive.
If Frost's staff can take UCF to 13-0 from 0-12 within 2 years, with a win over Auburn, I think they are going to do some very good things in Lincoln. And the great thing about it is that he is going to be here for at least a good 20+ years. Be patient, the recruits will come when we start winning again. We just signed a Top 20 class after going 4-8.
Let me first say that I'm so 'derned' impressed with "under whelming" that I can barely address the rest of your post. Would you be satisfied with Wisconsin results every year? Because Wisconsin is a Top 10 program with lesser recruiting than we've brought into our program since joining the B1G. And Mike Riley...yes the Mike Riley that went 19-19 at Nebraska, lost to them with a last second field goal, and then lost in OT at their place, before being competitive last year for a while.
If there is any other head coach that you think we could have brought to Nebraska that you think we could have done better than Frost, then I'm all ears, but we weren't getting Saban or Urban Meyer, or Chris Peterson or Kelly for that matter. We got the most preeminent young coach in the nation not named Lincoln Riley.
I think Frost and his staff did an exceptional job recruiting with his first class, and will come to realize what type of player they can bring to Nebraska...after they win some games. And they will win some games, simply by virtue of the fact that they will make better athletes of the kids that are currently in the program, and those that will be coming. Why, you ask? Because they are kicking the asses of those players that are here. The idea is to add size and strength, while adding speed and quickness. I think that is occurring in spaids within our Strength and Conditioning program. Say what you will, but a program that is bringing high 3-star and 4-star talent into a program and developing that talent can be very competitive.
If Frost's staff can take UCF to 13-0 from 0-12 within 2 years, with a win over Auburn, I think they are going to do some very good things in Lincoln. And the great thing about it is that he is going to be here for at least a good 20+ years. Be patient, the recruits will come when we start winning again. We just signed a Top 20 class after going 4-8.
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Our last game we lost by 100 to Iowa at home...we are a garbage product with top 25 facilities, we have beaten 4 top 10 teams in the last 15 years. We have no national rivalries, and we broke all of our recruiting connections after being in the big 8/12 for a vast majority of our history. We joined the most pathetic conference perceptually, and are a middle of the road team in that conference. I actually see some parallels between baseball and football, the conference has such low respect nationally that it affects recruiting in the conference which perpetuates the problems. So I think considering that we are a bad team, with bad players, who had a historically bad season, in a bad conference, and now with no regional history or connections, we are doing fine. I will keep saying this: we will rue the move to the big 10, as much as we will rue the hiring of Solich or Bo...and all of those things have one person in common.
neb hasn't won a league title in almost 20 yrs.
lets just try to consistently win the division first.
then worry about winning the league occasionally.
national titles are a far off goal
Since we have decided to use Franklin as a comparison - he took over a program that was still on significant probation - was lifted in sept 2014 - and in year 3 - with the recruiting classes he inherited reduced in numbers - won a big ten championship and finished in the top 10 in both years 3 and 4.
Franklin took recruiting classes ranked 35-52-43-25 and 15 and won a conference championship.
I wouldn't have taken it quite this far, but I learned a new verb, rue means to regret, so thanks for the Vocab lesson.
Number of 4 and 5 star players of the total number of recruits is the key. Rankings are what they are. If you aren’t near that 50% level, you won’t be a legitimate threat. You can talk Wisconsin all you want but until they get to the CFP, they are just another top 10ish program.
Always strive to be the exception to the rule. That’s the key to success.
It’s amazing reading this thread how low the expectations of this program have fallen.
Always strive to be the exception to the rule. That’s the key to success.
It’s amazing reading this thread how low the expectations of this program have fallen.
Alabama has been over 80% - when MSU made the playoff they didn’t even belong on the same field with Alabama.
OK, so you feel that we should go from unranked to being in the hunt for national titles. I would be satisfied with making substantial progress to being a perennial Top 10 team first, that is as physical as any team in the nation, which is where Wisconsin is. I would be delighted to be in Wisconsin's position in just a few years first.
So, with two losing seasons in the last three years we're supposed to be bringing in 4 & 5 star recruits all over the place now.
Geesh.....well, just maybe if we start winning games it might help?
Geesh.....well, just maybe if we start winning games it might help?
frost said he circled the Iowa Hawkeyes on his calendar, really shooting for the stars
I would put the class in the "OK for this stage" category, both for this stage of Frost's tenure and for this stage of this recruiting year. It may yet rise this year, and if Frost and Co. get us moving up in the win column it will likely rise over the long haul.
It is an underwhelming class so far, at least compared to last year's class. I don't see huge difference makers like we had in last year's class (Washington, Martinez) that really stand out. It could end up being a great class, but I don't really see many guys who will come in and compete for playing time right away. Perhaps Desmond Bland and Nick Henrich. The others are mostly long-term projects.
Often, when a new coach comes into a big-name program, his first full recruiting class is usually best (see Callahan 2005). There's often a lot of hype and excitement. I didn't expect a Top 10 class, but after how well this staff closed last year's class, I thought Top 15-20 for sure.
Often, when a new coach comes into a big-name program, his first full recruiting class is usually best (see Callahan 2005). There's often a lot of hype and excitement. I didn't expect a Top 10 class, but after how well this staff closed last year's class, I thought Top 15-20 for sure.
Who would be some of those 5* athletes? I would say a majority ofof t time you are talking about character, not athletic ability or perhaps injury that prevents a higher draft status. There are just a lot more 3* based in the totals depending on the service so there naturally has to be 3* players make it. It comes down to a game of numbers.
I agree about the NFL being a gauge. Saban plays up their ability to gets kids in the league. When this starts happening to a much higher defree, HS kids will take notice. Over the past few years our talent level has been very low and not many even sniff the NFL
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"Underwhelming" by what metric? I agree with Tuco that in order to make the playoff we need our recruiting class to have around 50% of 4 star or higher players. But even Tuco agrees (at least I think he does) that it is unreasonable to expect that for us this year given what the national perception of us is. So if in two or three years we are still stuck in the mire of 9-4 seasons, losing all the games that matter, and pulling in mid 20's recruiting classes, then it will be fair to say we are underwhelmed. For now, I think Frost is doing a good job of recruiting solid players who fit his system and who can be developed. We can build a solid foundation with that, pull off some upsets, and build momentum for the future. Baby steps Dr. Marvin. Baby steps.
We need to take Frost seriously when he says he wants to develop a modernized approach based on how Osborne ran the program. And that means filling the roster with "ballers" who have character and good work habits, combined with recruiting difference making players at the key skill positions. People tend to forget that even Osborne's teams were up and down depending on who we had at QB. In years we had mediocre QB's we had a mediocre team. But when we had a Gill or a Frazier or a Frost, we were great. What made his teams consistent and competitive were those 3 star lineman we developed into Outland winners.
See the first sentence in my post: underwhelming compared to last year's class, where the staff was able to put together a class with nine 4-star recruits in only 2 months.
This year, with an entire year to recruit, we only have three 4-stars so far, and not many left on our board. I expected about a 15th-ranked class after how well the staff recruited last winter.
Callahan pulled a Top 5 class in his first full class, and he didn't come in with half the hype that Frost did.
Ok. Fair enough. But comparing Frost to Callahan is not fair I think. In 2004 the Nebraska brand still meant something. Today it means very little.
I don’t think it will take 10 years either. Frankly, considering how favorable our schedule is next year, with back to back top 25 recruiting classes and back filling with JUCOs and grad transfers I expect to contend if not win the West next season. And honestly, while my expectations are tempered, if it weren’t for our brutal schedule I half expect us to be a factor this year. We’re not entirely devoid of talent and I think we could be more of a factor in the division than most think.
I am whelmed.. not over and not under, just whelming at the moment.
Not sure that is what I said. Follow along, in order to compete titles for and play in the CFP you have to have more, better players. Trying to be the exception to the rule hasn’t panned out for teams in the past decade or so. As I’ve said before, if being Wisconsin is the goal, then cool. I just didn’t think that was the ceiling.
If titles and CFP is the goal then each class you have that doesn’t get you closer to that 50% number is getting you further away.
So in order to progress toward that number, so that you get there eventually, you have to at least get close with each class. It has been said that we simply can’t get classfuls of 4 and 5 stars because of location. So in order to get closer to the 50% we have to get there with each class.
Lastly, my point about recruiting and this class in particular, is that we are taking commitments early and locking kids up that aren’t “heavily recruited”. I am not sure that some of those kids are in danger of being snatched up by someone else.
Aren't you the same guy who always says you can't rely on being the exception to the rule. But now it's the key to success?
You say we can't rely on being as good at coaching and developing players as Wisconsin is, but under Osborne we were far better at developing players than Wisconsin ever was.
Coaching and development is more important for reaching the playoffs than recruiting is. There have been plenty of teams who've averaged top 10-15 recruiting rankings that haven't come close to sniffing a nationel title.