I know what Frost is trying to do. However, with the 3 star recruits, it hasn't been done in years. Mold them into what you want, and I am sure that he will, but to compete for a National Championship in this day and age, your recruiting class better be up to snuff. From what I am seeing, 50 percent of the 2019 class chose NU because their other offers were sub-par. He needs to pick it up, plain and simple. I support Frost and what he is doing, however, the class we have will compete for a division title in a couple of years. The National Championship? No way in our lifetime if recruiting goes the same way. Everyone says that we will finish in the top 15 this year. With up to 25 or 26 recruits, I sure as hell hope so. From what I have seen thus far, I am under whelmed. No one will say it, because of the Frost hard-on. whatever, but it is time to call it out. There is still time, but he better be one hell of a coach (and I think he is), to mold lower tier players into superstars and compete for the division. National championship? No way.. Good coach or not, the recruiting needs to pick up, or he will have no chance to consistently compete with the big boys every year.Unless he bucks the system, numbers do not lie. Hopefully he will buck it. However, I am not as confident as everyone else.With his classes, the divisional title might be in reach. The NC? No way. Yes I am intoxicated.
under whelming recruiting class so far?
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Intoxicated on some crack.
I have pointed it out a few times. Rivals shows us with 3 4 star players. But on other recruiting sites there are 4 other players ranked as 4 Stars as well. Taking into count of all the recruiting sites, we are setting at 7 4 star players and the rest 3 Stars. Only on Rivals is Grayson a 2 star, all the other ones have him a 3 star.
I don’t consider having 7 4 star players and 9 mid to high 3 star players as bad or underwhelming. Note we haven’t even started the season when officials visits happen during game time and we will get more.
I don’t consider having 7 4 star players and 9 mid to high 3 star players as bad or underwhelming. Note we haven’t even started the season when officials visits happen during game time and we will get more.
Just booze. I have never done rock. If I would have, I am sure I would be really satisfied about how the recruiting class has been going. With the booze effect? The recruiting class is so-so.
Not a troll. A slow-down-with-the-Frost hard-on realist. I love Frost. There is no better coach to lead the program. However, people need to slow down and see how it plays out over the next 3 years. I remember a bearded, tattooed muscleman from the West coast that was going to get the players in shape as well. Everyone was praising him. That didn't work out so well. All I am saying is let the guys coach and see how it goes. And yes, the recruiting needs to pick up or we will never compete, regardless of the coach. Plain and simple. New day and age. If anyone says they are not a little disappointed with this years recruiting class ( although early), is jaded.
Firstly, this day and age you'd have to be delusional to ever expect a national championship. I don't expect it to ever happen again. Just want to win the conference every so often and be in the conversation here and there.
Secondly, Frost will get there. If he is what we think he is the results will follow.
Secondly, Frost will get there. If he is what we think he is the results will follow.
I agree. However, for 5 mil a year, you had better be in the NC talk from time-to-time as well.
Nice Avatar click bait. Do us a favor, go check out the Ducks recruiting classes when Kelly was taking them to Championship games and New Years Bowls.
Kelly was at Oregon from 2009-2012.
2009: 32nd(0 4 stars, 4 4 stars)
2010: 13th(1 5 star, 10 4 stars)
2011: 9th(2 5 stars, 9 4 stars)
2012: 16th(0 5stars, 10 4 stars)
Here are the classes prior to his arrival:
2008: 19th(0 5 stars, 8 4 stars)
2007: 11th(0 5 stars, 12 4 stars)
2006: 49th(0 5 stars, 1 4 star)
2005: 28th(1 5 star, 2 4 stars)
Hmmm, just as I thought, only 1 top 10 recruiting class in those years he was kicking blue blood's asses; As Scott Frost mentioned before, you don't recruit Husker power, it's developed, recruit fast skilled players and combine them with 500 mile radius kids passionate about football who live and breathe in the weight room and we'd barely lose a single game. By your reasoning, UCF would have been whipped by Auburn as Finebaum put it. Not once did they crack the top 50 in recruiting. These coaches trust their eyes not recruiting services. There is a formula and a culture that is developing that at times will run counter intuitive to team recruiting rankings. It is exactly why we languished over the last 20 years, our sights were so set on getting the highly ranked recruits that we forgot about what it took that made Nebraska the best in College football. It sure as hell wasn't because we recruited the best.
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CHUCKYCHEESE, were TO'S classes all 4-5 star guys? nope and he won 3 belts and should have had one or two more. Frosty hasn't coached a game yet and yet you bash him around because he is getting 3 star recruits, i'm pretty sure he has a plan in place and in TIME will compete for bigger games. calm down and let the process work, he isn't banking on year one, it's a process and that takes time and patience from the fan's.
So in the last month we’ve picked up a few guys who had offers from Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, LSU, Penn State, Oregon, Florida, just to name a few... and you choose now to complain?
Was it you who complained a few months ago as well? Or was that someone else?
Was it you who complained a few months ago as well? Or was that someone else?
Last night I had dinner with a beautiful 44 y/o firefighter who has the body of a 20 y/o gymnast because of her dedication to CrossFit, and we rode the Ferris wheel at Scheel's afterwards, and went back to her place to watch some football (yeah, she likes football) the game was Denver versus somebody, doesn't matter....while I was giving her incredible body a massage, while watching football, I never once thought about our recruiting class. We had very different evenings.
The OP might not have said things as delicately as some would like, but I think he is merely raising a point (yet again) that many on here have raised before. What do we make of Frost's recruiting so far? I think in some ways Frost is the victim of the hype machine. He did such an amazing job of putting together a top 25 class last year within a short amount of time while coaching UCF, that many started thinking "wow, think what he can do with a full recruiting year!" So there were unreasonable and rising expectations and it is only natural that people are now expressing some anxiety and disappointment.
That said... this is Nebraska ... out in the middle of nowhere with low population states all around us. A James Franklin can come in to a Penn State and recruit like crazy immediately because of the population demographics out here in the Northeast. To expect that of Frost in year one is not reasonable in my view. Nebraska has to recruit nationally in a way that no other blue blood program has to. We are in a unique situation in that regard. But in order for an agricultural plains State to recruit like that, it has to field a product that demands attention. It has to have some national "snap, crackle, and pop".
All that said, let's not diminish how good this current crop of recruits is. I think it is, so far, a damn solid class with some very underrated guys. And we still have 9 or 10 spots left to give out. Let's assume we add 4 more 4 start guys and 5 more high three stars at positions of need. I would think that would easily give us a top 20 class and we would be probably flirting with a top 15 class. Not bad for a 4-8 team in the middle of freaking nowhere that has not been relevant for 17 years.
If we put together a solid season this year our recruiting will pick up. We are going to be fine.
GBR
That said... this is Nebraska ... out in the middle of nowhere with low population states all around us. A James Franklin can come in to a Penn State and recruit like crazy immediately because of the population demographics out here in the Northeast. To expect that of Frost in year one is not reasonable in my view. Nebraska has to recruit nationally in a way that no other blue blood program has to. We are in a unique situation in that regard. But in order for an agricultural plains State to recruit like that, it has to field a product that demands attention. It has to have some national "snap, crackle, and pop".
All that said, let's not diminish how good this current crop of recruits is. I think it is, so far, a damn solid class with some very underrated guys. And we still have 9 or 10 spots left to give out. Let's assume we add 4 more 4 start guys and 5 more high three stars at positions of need. I would think that would easily give us a top 20 class and we would be probably flirting with a top 15 class. Not bad for a 4-8 team in the middle of freaking nowhere that has not been relevant for 17 years.
If we put together a solid season this year our recruiting will pick up. We are going to be fine.
GBR
op is talking about nc’s. im ok not talking about nc’s before he’s coached a season or two, much less one game. there is a lot of work here.
Pics or GTFO
Underwhelming post.
We would need last 9 commitments all to be 4 stars to finish top 15 on Rivals this year. Not going to happen this year with the board we have and 70% of four stars already committed. If we close well we will finish around 20th.
We got a late start this year. Starting next year we need to start putting together top 15 classes.
Top 25 classes will only get us the very occassional BIG championship (1 out of every 6-8yrs) and an early exit in the playoffs.
How many National Championships does Oregon have with those recruiting classes and opponents having less knowledge of how to defend the Kelley offense than they do now?
You used the phrase 'hard on' several times in this thread...I'm worried about you.
Lets see - you expect us to go from 4-8 to a national championship immediately and be in the top 15 in recruiting in the first 8 months? That's not only unreasonable, its virtually impossible. How about we wait and see the product that the coaches put on the field? Then after a couple of years of patience with the growth pains of building a solid foundation. we re-visit this conversation. Got to learn to walk before we run.
I will worry about beating Iowa first before I concern myself with the formula for a National Championship.
Are you saying we should ignore good prospects and chase after the Foster Sarells of the world when you don't have a chance of actually landing him? Or go into Ohio with designs on going toe to toe with Ohio State, strike out on most of them, and instead bring in Tim Marlowe and eight other guys who didn't finish their career at NU? We almost signed Joseph Lewis-- he was a five star. There are some players with high ratings that we should not even want in the program.
The NFL draft is a good way to gauge talent. Every year there are a lot of five stars drafted-- some of them achieved great things in college, others did not but are drafted based on still untapped potential (those guys usually fail in the NFL). But there are also a lot of three stars, some unrated guys and even some walkons drafted in early every year. Nebraska needs to develop more of those guys. And as time goes on, start to sign legit five stars as well.
Yep. Think of the three Riley years as the equivalent of NU football getting in a car accident. There will be some rehab involved.
This.
$5M to coach at Nebraska /= $5M to coach at a place with inherent demographic advantages, especially after the damage the program has taken for a decade and a half of not being in the NC conversation and occasionally contending for a conference title. Nebraska's disadvantages are a reason why NU would need to pay more for a coach than at other places. Nebraska's advantages (aka brand recognition, intimidation) have eroded since the glory days.
As others have said, it starts with winning your conference, and the NC talk will follow. This team finished 5th out of 7 in what is considered the weaker division in the conference last season.
This. We’re in good shape to end this recruiting cycle with a Top 20 class, and flirt with the Top 15, which will likely put us 4th or 5th in the BIG. Not bad considering the past 12 months of Husker Football.
I firmly believe in the “Field of Dreams” mentality when it comes to Nebraska. If you win it, they will come. I don’t think we’ll ever consistently have Top 10 recruiting classes. But I do believe if Frost can prove his systems works at NU as well as it did at UCF, we’ll win. If he can get to 8 wins this year, if he can be a dark horse in the West and make each game competitive in 2018 eyebrows will be raised at NU. With the scheduled being favorable next season, if we can win the west and go be competitive in the CCG, players will begin to take notice. Win the BIG and have a shot at a playoff spot sometime in the next 5 years or so, and I think consistent Top 15 classes can become the norm, with occasional shots at Top 10 classes. Do that consistently and then you can make playoff runs and get a shot at a National Title.
None of this is happening in a season, or even two. It may take 5-10 years. But I think those 5-10 years will be competitive, with far more highs than lows during that time. Frost is 9 months in to a 5-10 year rebuild. Give it time. In 9 months he’s put together a #21 recruiting class, rebuilt the S&C and nutrition program, so far as put together a #25 recruiting class (the season hasn’t even started and 0... ZERO official visits have been used), looking at a potential top 20 recruting class, and by all measures the 2018 win loss total is looking far more favorable than the 2017 version of the Huskers. We will win more than we lose this season, and ceiling for Coach Frost and the Huskers has not been this high since September of 1997.
If you can’t see the positives of what is going on, even in a drunken stupor, then there’s very little help for you.
So, are you saying you have more of a mid-bone, in this case? Asking for my neighbor's friend.
I agree for the most part but this rebuild will not take 10 years. 4 max. I really think we'll be rollin and in Big 10 title and playoff contention in 2020. GBR!
And I.m sure your morning has been better as well. My pounding head wishes that I could have had your evening instead of mine.
I understand and completely agree. However, it better not take 5 to 10 years to do it. All I am saying is that times have changed. Look at the National Champs from the previous 20 years. Look at their recruiting. There is something to that. A team like Wisconsin will compete year in and year out. Will they win it all? I highly doubt it. Good coaching and instruction can only take you so far. I do see the positives and think that Frost will succeed to a point. I just think his recruiting class has been somewhat disappointing so far even though it is early.
Who was your dream head coaching hire who was going to take this program from a complete dumpster fire to competing for a national championship in less than five years?
The last time I had a little too much was 2 months ago. Yes that was me. I see a pattern forming and I hate myself.