UNC also has had a stellar graduation rate for athletes going back to Dean Smyth. We can ignore the fact that UNC is a diploma mill and just focus on the grad rate. Congrats Dean!
*UNC-Cheat grad asking for a reference.........
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We can't forget about the Deana and Debbie rumors either! Kinda a Peyton Place down there at cheater hill.
I’d try to look at it objectively. I go by the rule of not letting things like politics or sports allegiances sway decisions. I also believe what goes around comes around. Someday you may find yourself asking him for a reference. As you mentioned, IMO it doesn’t pay to burn bridges.
North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, and Louisville are rivals in basketball. That is as far as it needs to be taken as all are good schools. As BoulderCat said, what goes around, comes around. Look at Kansas fans who for years have said Coach Cal is a cheater but are now are dealing with issues themselves. Look at North Carolina State fans who invested so many years in going after North Carolina but now have their own scandal. Do unto other as you would have them do unto you definitely applies.
Students received tainted college degrees. You are blinded by your fandom so I am done with this conversation.
lol...scandals happen. Comparing 20 years of academic fraud to keep athletes eligible which went unpunished to what will likely be a heavy handed thumping by the NCAA of NC State. Interesting...
Kentucky getting hammered. Georgia getting hammered. Minnesota getting hammered. Miami getting hammered. USC getting hammered. Why did all of these schools get hammered if everybody does it? Guess the answer is they either didn't cheat the right way or they aren't Duke or North Carolina.
Re-stating it doesn’t remove the bias I mentioned.
Also for many in-state students that apply there UNC is their top choice. But if you are an out-of-state student applying there, you are also likely to be applying to other out-of-state schools.
It's that time of year I guess. In the last week, I've been asked to write eight letters of recommendation for various college and scholarship applications. I consider it an honor that these young men would ask me. Yeah, it can be time consuming, but remember, what goes around comes around. There may come a day someone you know will need a reference or recommendation.
UNC is a good public school, but the athletic department is a fief of its own. The football team in particular has had plenty of scandals and criminal behavior, and it doesn't even win.
Look at all of the arrests documented here.
http://carolinasucks.com/images/uncrapsheet.htm
Look at all of the arrests documented here.
http://carolinasucks.com/images/uncrapsheet.htm
Not sure what you’re basing your info on but it’s wrong. The paper classes were (largely but not exclusively) run out of the AFAM Studies program but the students taking the classes weren’t restricted to AFAM Studies majors only.
True if you’re looking for a degree in Liberal Arts or something like that.
If you’re interested in Engineering or hard sciences it’s a different story.
True JP, but to be fair, these classes represent a very small portion of the overall curriculum.
Yeah no doubt. NC State engineering and veterinary school is great and one of the top in the country
I agree. NC State school of engineering is very very hard to get into and a great school
More so that the majority of students enrolled at the university at the time when this was going on have a legitimate and well earned degree. Having a degree from UNC's business school or school of journalism is very impressive for example
I missed this earlier but consider this: UNC is this top top top public university and one these highly gifted UNC graduates is reduced to having daddy out begging friends to assist his son in getting a job!!!
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So great that they can't get a job without begging a UK fan to put in a good word![roll]
I understand that you are completely obsessed with UNC (very rarely do you comment on a thread that is not about UNC) but surely even you can see that a degree from UNC carries a lot of weight relative to most other universities. Are you pretending to be this dense, or do you actually believe what you are saying?
Even some of the hard sciences are good for UNC. For example Biostatistics is very good at both UNC and NC St. UNC medical school is very good too.
IMO, all major universities (and most others) cheat mostly because NCAA rules are archaic and ridiculous. In addition, NCAA punishment is completely capricious and arbitrary. That leaves fans yelling and screaming about other schools' cheating while justifying their own. 8 years ago, Ohio State got crucified for their players selling their own stuff for tattoos and now people are calling for players to get paid. None of it makes sense but it has to change soon.
I honestly think he believes this... as well as that State and UK are better academic schools. I would hypothesis that most of people in the country say otherwise.
UNC is regarded as one of the top public schools in the country and we have fans mocking that and pretending that's not true lol.
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UNC ran a diploma mill for its players for 20 years. Ethics classes at UNC must be outstanding.
What I have found over the last 40 years of following college sports (and lots of politics), everyone believes the worst about their rivals/enemies and sees only the best about their own program/party. The hypocrisy is immeasurable. The only thing you can control is how you treat others so the Golden Rule is the only way to go IMO.
Ranking are completely overrated and saying North Carolina is far superior is a ridiculous statement. You have to watch statements you make when you live in a glass house.
Actually when a University goes unpunished for running a diploma mill for its players it seems reasonable to believe they get to play by a different set of rules.
I appreciate your opinion but we are never going to agree on because I don't buy what you believe. Nothing is ever as bad as the media portrays it. That applies to all the scandals that I have researched going back to Tark, Eddie Sutton, et all.
My only grandchild now lives in North Carolina.
The day I quit loving her because of sport is the day I get a bullet to the head.
North Carolina is a fine university with likely 99 per cent of it's grads being well qualified job applicants.
Don't burn Bridges because of a game teenagers play.
The day I quit loving her because of sport is the day I get a bullet to the head.
North Carolina is a fine university with likely 99 per cent of it's grads being well qualified job applicants.
Don't burn Bridges because of a game teenagers play.
I'm obsessed but here you are on a UK board!!!! [winking]
Hold on, I am wrong. The SMU football scandal back in the early 80s that got worse and worse even after the NCAA told them to stop was as bad as the media said.
Nice old school blame the media excuse. The Wienstein report and the other reports ordered up by the UNC admin exposed the issues. The admin and faculty at UNC wore their basketball jerseys and took the bullet for the athletics program. Would I want those faculty teaching my kid? Nope.
So, do you think UK cheated by playing an ineligible Bam and should vacate all of the teams wins last year? Or do you think that the media over-embellished it and Bam wasn’t ineligible?
Or, even better, was Rupp the massive racist that was portrayed in the media.
That is up to the NCAA. There was no embellishment by the media. His name appeared in a book that said bad loan from an agent which will need further investigation. The NCAA will do what it does and typically that is go after KY as hard as it can. If it doesn't most of us will be surprised.
Comparing that to 20 years of academic fraud to keep athletes eligible...
kay:The few profs who stood up for academic integrity were crucified at UNC. Why would any parent want to send their kid to a school that ran a diploma mill and then validated the fake classes and basically considered the fake degrees as legit?
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