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I think he is just as flummoxed as the rest of us. He's been watching his play against his and that isn't much of a test. Every team has their own character and so far this team looks soft under pressure. Still 10 weeks to go, maybe they find themselves against Duke.

One thing I can guarantee they won't go 0-12. I bet my screen name on it!;)

I'll take that bet. I have a few to spare ;)
 
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Yep Gerry DiNardo gushed about the Cats during BTN day at NU. No one saw this coming.

I do remember him expressing some reservations about the o-line. But seriously, who saw 0-2 coming. We have a good number of kids from both sides of the ball returning from a team that went 6-2 in the B1G and can't beat an FCS team? This could be the worst team in years if they don't wake up fast. I can't see us beating any B1G team, including Purdue, if the offense continues like this. I'm as big a backer of Fitz as there is, but heads need to roll when your 85-scholarship team in a Power 5 conference can't beat a 63-scholarship FCS school.
 

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I do remember him expressing some reservations about the o-line. But seriously, who saw 0-2 coming. We have a good number of kids from both sides of the ball returning from a team that went 6-2 in the B1G and can't beat an FCS team? This could be the worst team in years if they don't wake up fast. I can't see us beating any B1G team, including Purdue, if the offense continues like this. I'm as big a backer of Fitz as there is, but heads need to roll when your 85-scholarship team in a Power 5 conference can't beat a 63-scholarship FCS school.
Malcom Bell, the North Carolina Central QB, has passed for over 200 yards against WMU in the first half--------ouch!
 
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when your 85-scholarship team in a Power 5 conference can't beat a 63-scholarship FCS school.

This. I hadn't thought about that dimension. Pretty amazing what Spack accomplished. Would like to see him in purple....
 
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People need to lose jobs. Players, coaches, whoever. Completely unacceptable to come out totally flat against a FCS opponent on both sides of the ball after losing your home opener.
I don't see what everyone is freaking out about. We were one puff of wind away from winning a thrilling well-played game against a tough opponent.

Or maybe I was puffing something.
 

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This. I hadn't thought about that dimension. Pretty amazing what Spack accomplished. Would like to see him in purple....

Seems like we could find room for coaches from the last two opponents on our squad and experience significant upgrades...
 

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I don't see what everyone is freaking out about. We were one puff of wind away from winning a thrilling well-played game against a tough opponent.

Or maybe I was puffing something.

Sorry, but being one play away from beating a 63 scholarship team isn't much to brag about. Big 10 teams should handle all but the very best FCS teams. Maybe ISU is one of the best. But NU didn't look the part today........
 

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NU fan attendance is going to be brutal this year too. I was looking to go to a few games before the season started - not any more.

Attendance has been brutal already, 30k for each of the first two games coming off a 10 win season, with The Franchise, JJTBC and Matthew Harris? Weather has been perfect, no excuse for fans not to show up.
 

honestrules

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Sorry, but being one play away from beating a 63 scholarship team isn't much to brag about. Big 10 teams should handle all but the very best FCS teams. Maybe ISU is one of the best. But NU didn't look the part today........

Reading comprehension. Last sentence.
 

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Attendance has been brutal already, 30k for each of the first two games coming off a 10 win season, with The Franchise, JJTBC and Matthew Harris? Weather has been perfect, no excuse for fans not to show up.

Please: enough with the "10win season" stuff... The entire world (other than the purple-bleeding die-guards on this board) saw that record for what it was: a fluke. And that includes the majority of our season ticket base (which has largely no-showed the first 2 games) and also anybody even considering single game ticket purchases. And pollsters. They knew, too.

Folks who watched the games last year saw what happened with their own eyes. The "10 win season" passed NOBODY'S reality/eye test. If we don't fix this, you can expect a serious drop off in season ticket sales. I hope we do turn it around. I like a full stadium and a full parking lot. Adds to the fun. But this team has not been fun for a while. And people are starting to vote with their feet...I saw it today and I think it's gonna get worse.
 

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It's not that uncommon for cliques to develop. It's a little unrealistic to think 100+ guys would all get along and pal around at all times. But I also don't think it's a real part of the issue.

Yeah but... I'm just not going there right now, but you know almost certainly what I'm talking about if you have sources and contacts, too.
 

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This. I hadn't thought about that dimension. Pretty amazing what Spack accomplished. Would like to see him in purple....

Yeah, that would happen only as head coach because Spack has already been a Big Ten coordinator. Oh, I see what you did there. You antiFitz you!
 

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Please: enough with the "10win season" stuff... The entire world (other than the purple-bleeding die-guards on this board) saw that record for what it was: a fluke. And that includes the majority of our season ticket base (which has largely no-showed the first 2 games) and also anybody even considering single game ticket purchases. And pollsters. They knew, too.

Folks who watched the games last year saw what happened with their own eyes. The "10 win season" passed NOBODY'S reality/eye test. If we don't fix this, you can expect a serious drop off in season ticket sales. I hope we do turn it around. I like a full stadium and a full parking lot. Adds to the fun. But this team has not been fun for a while. And people are starting to vote with their feet...I saw it today and I think it's gonna get worse.

The Stanford win was a great one. Then we won a bunch of tight games against decent programs like Wisconsin, Penn State, Nebraska, Minnesota.

What 2015 did was give us a taste of what 2016 could offer, with a more seasoned OL and QB and most of the defense returning.
 

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Malcom Bell, the North Carolina Central QB, has passed for over 200 yards against WMU in the first half--------ouch!

Assume you must be leveling. We would have been happy to have a 70-21 victory over an FCS opponent like WMU had today.
 

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Attendance has been brutal already, 30k for each of the first two games coming off a 10 win season, with The Franchise, JJTBC and Matthew Harris? Weather has been perfect, no excuse for fans not to show up.

Tough sell when you're playing teams that most people expect you to beat.

It's funny how every apologist is coming on here now to tout WMU as a MAC powerhouse and to remind us that ISU will make the FCS playoffs.

Didn't everybody pretty much predict Ws in those prediction threads?
 

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Tough sell when you're playing teams that most people expect you to beat.

It's funny how every apologist is coming on here now to tout WMU as a MAC powerhouse and to remind us that ISU will make the FCS playoffs.

Didn't everybody pretty much predict Ws in those prediction threads?

Who was reminding you that ISU will make the FCS playoffs? Haven't seen any posts stating that here, nonetheless many such posts... could have missed one I suppose. WMU looked to be a good team when they played us, though we see how that plays out...Haven't seen too many people making excuses at all for losing today...
 

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Always appreciate GCGs analysis and insights, so I appreciate it took a lot to start this thread.

Ok, so heads gotta roll. Who do we go and get? I don't buy the NIU guy that got fired as a legit choice. Could we get Bostad?
 

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All of the offensive coaching staff needs to be let go. All of them.
If not turned around by Nebraska, I agree. And not at the end of the season.

This is the most poorly coached offense I have seen in the time I have been seriously following NU football (since 1995).

Only problem is, who would replace them?
 
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Yeah Cole could take over for Springer

Hate to say this to you but I still sort of like McCall. Assuming JJTBC is out for Duke, i would start Alviti and run read option all day with Moten or Anderson.

Some people say McCall shows no imagination and doesn't bother with the chess game of showing one look and going back to the same look and running it with a different wrinkle later in the game. But from a game plan standpoint I remember Kafka in the Metrodome filling in for Bacher. I remember shifting to an option attack with Kain and Venric when everybody knew us as a short passing team running fastball.

Anyway you know I think Cush has to go. Friend of Pat aside, it is possible to find good recruiters and Mick will retire eventually and you need to find an heir apparent since there is no budget to hire Art Briles' son

How in the world could you say this?

We look TERRIBLE and our Offense is bad. It's so unimaginative, buddies and I can watch the game together and call the plays with 80ish% accuracy. That's really bad.

Just watch other teams around CFB and you can't help but notice how bad our offensive preparation and playing calling is. It's been a historical trend for YEARS. That falls on the individual responsible for the offense. McCall has got to go.

This is a potentially bad argument but I'll make it anyway. I'm a Colorado guy and a Broncos fan. As you know, Trevor Siemian was named as the starter. I watched the Broncos v. Panthers this week and was STUNNED. Trevor didn't even look like the same quarterback. His decision making, throws, and overall command of the offense were very good. He looked like he belonged in the NFL and belonged as the starter. Granted it's one game and I'll caveat that Denver has better receivers and offensive line. However, the development of Siemian is stark. If you read articles talking about Siemian quoting people from the entire Broncos organization, they ALL say they believe he is the real deal. He was never bad in college but he certainly wasn't great either, he was okay. He often made some forced errors, made overthrows consistently on long balls and never looked like a true NFL guy.

It shows you what happens when a talented individual gets great play calling and very strong coaching and tutelage. Players in ALL areas of the offense do not even come close to reaching their potential under McCall.

I'd never expect us to get a Peyton Manning/John Elway type guy to provide perspective to our QBs but we can do better than McCall.

We deserve better and we should demand better.
 

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If not turned around by Nebraska, I agree. And not at the end of the season.

This is the most poorly coached offense I have seen in the time I have been seriously following NU football (since 1995).

Only problem is, who would replace them?

Our offense was pretty bad in 1998 and '99
 

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How in the world could you say this?

We look TERRIBLE and our Offense is bad. It's so unimaginative, buddies and I can watch the game together and call the plays with 80ish% accuracy. That's really bad.

Just watch other teams around CFB and you can't help but notice how bad our offensive preparation and playing calling is. It's been a historical trend for YEARS. That falls on the individual responsible for the offense. McCall has got to go.

This is a potentially bad argument but I'll make it anyway. I'm a Colorado guy and a Broncos fan. As you know, Trevor Siemian was named as the starter. I watched the Broncos v. Panthers this week and was STUNNED. Trevor didn't even look like the same quarterback. His decision making, throws, and overall command of the offense were very good. He looked like he belonged in the NFL and belonged as the starter. Granted it's one game and I'll caveat that Denver has better receivers and offensive line. However, the development of Siemian is stark. If you read articles talking about Siemian quoting people from the entire Broncos organization, they ALL say they believe he is the real deal. He was never bad in college but he certainly wasn't great either, he was okay. He often made some forced errors, made overthrows consistently on long balls and never looked like a true NFL guy.

It shows you what happens when a talented individual gets great play calling and very strong coaching and tutelage. Players in ALL areas of the offense do not even come close to reaching their potential under McCall.

I'd never expect us to get a Peyton Manning/John Elway type guy to provide perspective to our QBs but we can do better than McCall.

We deserve better and we should demand better.

Agree to disagree. If you were McCall, what imaginative calls would you make with an OL that can't block at all? If you can't run the ball and can't pass protect, what kind of offense do you run?

Do you think McCall has forgotten how to run the offenses that he deployed under Bacher, Kafka, Persa and Colter? Go back and watch Bacher vs Iowa or Kafka vs Minny subbing for CJ or Kafka as a senior in the Outback Bowl or Persa vs Iowa or Colter and Mark running the option. There is a lot of variation there.

He does not have the horses and I think his horses are poorly instructed by their position coaches, whether it's technique, motivation or a lack of in-game adjustments.
 
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Thanks for your honest opinion. Hearing you say this, means something needs to be done real soon. I'm OK with Fitz as head coach but he really needs to make some changes very soon. Screw the loyalty stuff.
he would be a better AD.
 

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Yeah Cole could take over for Springer

Hate to say this to you but I still sort of like McCall. Assuming JJTBC is out for Duke, i would start Alviti and run read option all day with Moten or Anderson.

Some people say McCall shows no imagination and doesn't bother with the chess game of showing one look and going back to the same look and running it with a different wrinkle later in the game. But from a game plan standpoint I remember Kafka in the Metrodome filling in for Bacher. I remember shifting to an option attack with Kain and Venric when everybody knew us as a short passing team running fastball.

Anyway you know I think Cush has to go. Friend of Pat aside, it is possible to find good recruiters and Mick will retire eventually and you need to find an heir apparent since there is no budget to hire Art Briles' son
Please stop, stop with there is no money in the budget.
 

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Agree to disagree. If you were McCall, what imaginative calls would you make with an OL that can't block at all? If you can't run the ball and can't pass protect, what kind of offense do you run?

Do you think McCall has forgotten how to run the offenses that he deployed under Bacher, Kafka, Persa and Colter? Go back and watch Bacher vs Iowa or Kafka vs Minny subbing for CJ or Kafka as a senior in the Outback Bowl or Persa vs Iowa or Colter and Mark running the option. There is a lot of variation there.

He does not have the horses and I think his horses are poorly instructed by their position coaches, whether it's technique, motivation or a lack of in-game adjustments.

A good OC (and for that matter, a good HC) doesn't let it get to that position! It's no excuse to say "we have no talent" or "the talent hasn't developed" or we don't have the horses" - or whatever the next variant du jour of this same, tired excuse is - because they are responsible for getting the talent and coachin up the talent and making sure they have the horses.

Yet year after year after year, we hear this same argument from these guys and from the apologists for these guys. The bottom line is that THEY are responsible - and the only thumbs that should be pointing inward are their own.
 
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If not turned around by Nebraska, I agree. And not at the end of the season.

This is the most poorly coached offense I have seen in the time I have been seriously following NU football (since 1995).

Only problem is, who would replace them?
BARNETT!
 

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McCall is responsible for the entire offense. Eking out 7 points against a FCS team is freaking pathetic. Thorson getting outplayed by another sophomore in his 2nd start is just plain wrong. Blocking is terrible, receiving is substandard, play calling is vanilla and predictable -- every phase of the offense except running back is poor. It's on McCall.
 
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Agree to disagree. If you were McCall, what imaginative calls would you make with an OL that can't block at all? If you can't run the ball and can't pass protect, what kind of offense do you run?

You call either a bunch of quick passes (slants, short out patterns) or have the QB roll out to give him more time. That's basically all we saw yesterday in the second half. Problem is that our WRs still have trouble getting open and/or catching the ball. Hence, zero points against a FCS opponent until the middle of the 4th quarter.
 

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You call either a bunch of quick passes (slants, short out patterns) or have the QB roll out to give him more time. That's basically all we saw yesterday in the second half. Problem is that our WRs still have trouble getting open and/or catching the ball. Hence, zero points against a FCS opponent until the middle of the 4th quarter.
Certainly we could have tried to get the ball to GDick or anyone over the middle in the 10 yard range .
 

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Just rewatched the game. Will type up all my thoughts in a separate post, but I continue to maintain Thorson isn't the problem. At all. I counted 2-3 poor throws and a couple bad decisions. Otherwise, I don't think he was bad at all.
 
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