Ukraine War
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Western Sanctions and the War in Ukraine Creating a New World Order, And China is Leading the Parade
Note to the TGP thought police, this story is being reported on all major outlets.
NEW LEAKED US DEFENSE DOCUMENTS SHOW WESTERN FORCES ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE!
JOE BIDEN HAD US SOLDIERS ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE.
EARLIER TODAY DEFENSE SECRETARY LLOYD AUSTIN SAID HE FIRST HEARD OF THE LEAKS ON APRIL 6.
THE LEAKED DOCUMENTS SHOW LATVIA,FRANCE, US, AND THE NETHERLANDS!
Joe Biden is destroying our country and West simultaneously while launching World War III.
The leaked document was dated March 23.
The BBC reported:
BREAKING: LEAKED US DEFENSE DOCUMENTS SHOWS WESTERN FORCES ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE! …And Countries ARE NAMED in Leaked Document!
By Jim Hoft Apr. 11, 2023 5:46 pm
NEW LEAKED US DEFENSE DOCUMENTS SHOW WESTERN FORCES ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE!
JOE BIDEN HAD US SOLDIERS ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE.
EARLIER TODAY DEFENSE SECRETARY LLOYD AUSTIN SAID HE FIRST HEARD OF THE LEAKS ON APRIL 6.
THE LEAKED DOCUMENTS SHOW LATVIA,FRANCE, US, AND THE NETHERLANDS!
Joe Biden is destroying our country and West simultaneously while launching World War III.
The leaked document was dated March 23.
The BBC reported:
The UK responded to this news today.
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Note to the TGP thought police, this story is being reported on all major outlets.
BREAKING: LEAKED US DEFENSE DOCUMENTS SHOWS WESTERN FORCES ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE! …And Countries ARE NAMED in Leaked Document!
By Jim Hoft Apr. 11, 2023 5:46 pm
NEW LEAKED US DEFENSE DOCUMENTS SHOW WESTERN FORCES ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE!
JOE BIDEN HAD US SOLDIERS ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE.
EARLIER TODAY DEFENSE SECRETARY LLOYD AUSTIN SAID HE FIRST HEARD OF THE LEAKS ON APRIL 6.
THE LEAKED DOCUMENTS SHOW LATVIA,FRANCE, US, AND THE NETHERLANDS!
Joe Biden is destroying our country and West simultaneously while launching World War III.
The leaked document was dated March 23.
The BBC reported:
The UK responded to this news today.
Right, US soldiers at the US embassy in Kyiv. Not, US soldiers at the Bakhmut and Avdiivka fronts.
Very good analysis on China and other world topics in this update also.
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I get that. Just saying the original headline was painting a disingenuous picture imo
We honestly do not know though. It would not surprise me if special forces units are running all over western Ukraine.
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It’s possible, but I think that sort of thing is hard to hide. CIA is without a doubt on the ground, if for no other reason but to coordinate getting supplies in.
this is where having real journalists would really help, because this is where answers need to be demanded. i have no faith in oversight committees getting anything done or holding anyone accountable - besides, of course, the leaker who will be crucified. interesting to me the only thing the media cared about was finding the leaker and have no interest in questioning the content of the leaks. if only they'd shown this dogged effort in unearthing epstein's pals. they certainly had no interest in unearthing the dobbs leaker. they celebrated vindman for leaking ukraine info. it's almost like there's a pattern of behavior.
Well color me shocked.,....
He's in it for the conspiracy theory dopamine rush. Like a lab rat hooked to a pleasure button.
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Nothing screams success like banking your economic fortunes on selling discounted crude oil to India.
You mean the same India with the second largest population and fastest growing economy in the world? That India?
What about China, Brazil, Africa, etc?
And lastly, what about the Ukraine? They never stopped buying gas/oil from Russia.
I'm waiting til more outlets pick this up before i rush to judgement. Hersh has gone off the deep end lately so i'm pretty hesitant to take his article at face value
This is actually not a terrible thing for the global oil market.
1. They're selling it at a massive discount to China/India (~50% cheaper than market rates) which will impact global oil prices.
2. Counters some of the supply issues with OPEC+ planning on cutting 400k bpd to drive oil prices higher.
3. Russia is still absolutely reeling from the sanctions - i think Reuters reported a week ago they're down about ~$30b in Q1 of 2023 so far.
I'm debating writing out a detailed explanation on all the global trends that can explain why "gas is currently moving up in the US", but i really think it's just going to fall on deaf ears.
Instead, I'll just say this: the price of oil is set globally, and a ton of factors go into what drives the price of gasoline up (i noticed you didn't mention the price of diesel, as that has been on a steady decline since November.) Refineries choosing to produce less gas in favor of other products (petrochemical, diesel, kerosene, naphtha, etc), could cause an uptick in gasoline prices. Or maybe, since we're coming up on the spring/summer, O&G companies know it's a time when everyone is traveling, and they realize a price increase during this time is just good business.
There's no way to explain why the price of gasoline rises, while diesel declines, without digging into the weeds. It can be any number of reasons, which I explained previously. Regarding my 3 bullet points in the original post you quoted, it takes longer than 24 hours for the global oil market to adjust to additional volume being released.
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Yes, India with a GDP per capita of $2,200. Real economic power. The result of sanctions, among other things, is that Russia is reduced to being at the mercy of India and China buying its crude at heavy discounts to recoup lost revenue. Add in massive capital flight, brain drain, and an inability to import Western chips. Other than that things are looking great for Russia!
What about them? They buy cheap oil from Russia? Color me shocked.
Can you elaborate more on Ukraine? My assumption would be that they're buying from a third party.
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You're ignoring the fact that in addition to buying their oil/gas, they are now using Yen to globally settle and clear and that's not just oil, that's all global trade. You know why the US can continue to take on more debt right? Because based on the strength of the dollar being the backstop, they know other countries will buy up the debt at cheaper rates (less risk). Once you start to chip away at that, we have a looming issue on our hands.
Lots of data points out there but see below:
This is honestly my biggest concern out of this whole debacle. The only thing that gives me pause about freaking out is the fact that something like only 6% of currency trade in the world is done in the yen, whereas 80+% is done in USD. I'm admittedly very green when it comes to the global currency exchange, and based on your previous posts i've read it seems like something you're pretty in tune with, so if you have any good articles on this topic i'd be all ears.
If Russia can't take Ukraine after YEARS for fighting, WTH makes you think they could take one yard of territory in NATO Europe?
In a conventional fight, we would F them up good.
Though I will say we could never conquer Russia. It is WAY too big to take and hold. I have no idea how they even govern that much land.
Some of us learned from the lies about weapons of mass destruction. I bought that lie straight up. I was a fool. I don't have all the info on ukraine. But, when neocons and Lindsey Graham are for it I'm very suspicious.
It's very easy to hide.
Most of the DoD wouldn't even know. SOCOM works in the dark and doesn't let people peak in.
If Ukraine were to take or isolate Crimea, the crap will really hit the fan. The Russian economy would be in serious trouble.
Interesting article from the BBC today on the Nordstream pipeline blasts.
Nord Stream: Report puts Russian navy ships near pipeline blast site https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65461401
Nord Stream: Report puts Russian navy ships near pipeline blast site https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65461401
Kremlin says Ukraine sent drones to Kremlin to kill Putin, Kyiv says not responsible
"The Russian side reserves the right to take retaliatory measures where and when it sees fit," the Kremlin said.
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Kremlin says Ukraine sent drones to Kremlin to kill Putin, Kyiv says not responsible
Former President Dmitry Medvedev: Russia Has No Choice but to Annihilate Zelensky Following Drone Attack and Attempted Assassination of Vladimir Putin