Two officers shot

mule_eer

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Whoah, settle down there cowboy ... you're not allowed to think both of those things. Either the cop was totally wrong or the "thug" in the car was totally wrong. You have to pick a side here bub.
I forgot that all things are binary in many of these discussions. Again, that's the root of the ultimate issue in this particular discussion.
 

WhiteTailEER

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He was unaware the girls had done it.....how many people check their plates when they get into their car. The police pulled him over and called in other police cars, searched the car,cuffed him and took him to the police station and said they were going to charge him with altering his tag. My wife went down and the police said they were just trying to teach him a lesson. They released him with no charge.

I sure don't. I mean, I would notice if it wasn't there but that's about it.

I have semi-similar stories from when I was younger and encounters with police. There are certainly some bad eggs out there, but they are in the minority. It's not even close.

As far as MN is concerned ... from what we know now, it sure seems like the cop over-reacted. I think I said it yesterday that there's probably something the victim could have done differently, but it's a pretty sad day if we have to be absolutely PERFECT when pulled over or we're going to get killed. These shootings in Dallas ... no way I'll ever understand the logic in that. I could almost understand it if it was the same cop involved in one of these other incidents but just randomly killing cops (not even in the same damn city or even state) just because they are cops? I don't see how that's any different than the lynchings just because somebody was black.
 

WhiteTailEER

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I forgot that all things are binary in many of these discussions. Again, that's the root of the ultimate issue in this particular discussion.

We all make mistakes ... try to do better next time. :)

I completely agree that's the root of the issue in this discussion as well as any number of others.
 

Y.A.G Si Ye Nots

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We're watching two different videos. I watched the one linked in this thread.

Hence, why I said "the full video." So, now that you have seen the full video, and I correctly quoted her and didn't take it out of context, what's your excuse?

The thing is, I'm a Democrat. I'm pretty fvcking liberal in my beliefs and my stances. In saying that, it doesn't mean I have to lose all rational thinking and reach conclusions which are intellectually dishonest simply to adhere to a party line. In doing what you are, you're no better than the Trump supporters who he exposed when he said "I could walk down Fifth Ave., shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any support."

Stop being a sheep. Things aren't always black or white. There is usually a large gray area in many controversies.
 

bornaneer

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I sure don't. I mean, I would notice if it wasn't there but that's about it.

I have semi-similar stories from when I was younger and encounters with police. There are certainly some bad eggs out there, but they are in the minority. It's not even close.

As far as MN is concerned ... from what we know now, it sure seems like the cop over-reacted. I think I said it yesterday that there's probably something the victim could have done differently, but it's a pretty sad day if we have to be absolutely PERFECT when pulled over or we're going to get killed. These shootings in Dallas ... no way I'll ever understand the logic in that. I could almost understand it if it was the same cop involved in one of these other incidents but just randomly killing cops (not even in the same damn city or even state) just because they are cops? I don't see how that's any different than the lynchings just because somebody was black.
Yes there are bad eggs out there. I certainly don't see the need for the force we have seen in some of these recent cases and I have expressed how I felt about several of them. I called for charges against the police in the NY choking fatality and I think the LA and MINN cases appear to be just as bad from what I have seen so far. I also have zero issues with what President Obama said in regard to the Dallas shootings, I think he handled it well.
 

WVUBRU

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Things aren't always black or white. There is usually a large gray area in many controversies.
Amen. Unfortunately, on this board and members are very black and white on their beliefs and what they are willing to say and admit to.
 

dave

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Good god, you're a moron. Remember a few months ago when I told you several posters think you are a moron? Well, they are letting you know in this very thread.
I consider the source, particularly in your case.
 

dave

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Arrested? HE HAD A TAIL LIGHT OUT! Gee Whiz Neil. Get your blinders off, or your white hood and sheet....whatever it is that is blinding you from seeing the Minnesota situation.

The man was pulled over for a broken tail light. A MINOR traffic violation. He notified the cop that he had a LEGAL carry permit when reaching for his wallet. He got popped 4-5 times.....

Nowhere, I repeat NOWHERE, have I condoned the killing of a cop. I don't, nor didn't, see your sympathy for the family of the man in Minnesota for being shot by a cop. When will we see that sympathy?
I didn't realize you were there and witnessed it. My bad.
 

dave

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I find it weird how some of you on here are quick to judge or form opinions about how Obama has "destroyed" our nation or how he is helping ISIS by not condemning them under "radical Islam".....YET.....we have cops who shoot two black men and suddenly you guys are "waiting for further evidence" before you form your opinion......hmmm.......how about that......
Some more brilliant logic here.
 
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Hence, why I said "the full video." So, now that you have seen the full video, and I correctly quoted her and didn't take it out of context, what's your excuse?

The thing is, I'm a Democrat. I'm pretty fvcking liberal in my beliefs and my stances. In saying that, it doesn't mean I have to lose all rational thinking and reach conclusions which are intellectually dishonest simply to adhere to a party line. In doing what you are, you're no better than the Trump supporters who he exposed when he said "I could walk down Fifth Ave., shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any support."

Stop being a sheep. Things aren't always black or white. There is usually a large gray area in many controversies.

What exactly am I doing? Being a sheep? Point out in this thread where I formed an opinion on this shooting. Good luck!
 

mneilmont

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He was unaware the girls had done it.....how many people check their plates when they get into their car. The police pulled him over and called in other police cars, searched the car,cuffed him and took him to the police station and said they were going to charge him with altering his tag. My wife went down and the police said they were just trying to teach him a lesson. They released him with no charge.
That makes sense. I assume the judge made her(neighbor kid) pay a fine or gave her a set period of time to correct, but no jail for disrupting court. Thru 4-5 years going to his court, I never saw him do anything but find the person guilty of the police charge. That was a little extreme in my estimation, but his earned name was ......... The Keepa. And saw several dragged out in cuffs for disagreeing to loudly. He was truly A Friend of Police. He had a heart attack at home. We got him sitting up and talking. All traffic was stopped at lights to allow emergency unit to pass thru. He was sitting up and I assumed the unit would be traveling over 100 mph both ways. I transmitted over the air to slow the unit down that the judged seemed to be OK. He died later that night. I made a bad call - maybe.
 

WhiteTailEER

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Yes there are bad eggs out there. I certainly don't see the need for the force we have seen in some of these recent cases and I have expressed how I felt about several of them. I called for charges against the police in the NY choking fatality and I think the LA and MINN cases appear to be just as bad from what I have seen so far. I also have zero issues with what President Obama said in regard to the Dallas shootings, I think he handled it well.

I don't understand the black and white approach to these issues. I mean, I think I kind of can. I think it comes from limited reasoning skills. I agree with you completely in this instance. The problem is that as soon as some moron does what they did in Dallas, or since the Michael Brown situation wasn't actually as was originally portrayed, people don't want to look at the problem. There is definitely a problem. Is it a huge problem? The biggest one we are facing? No, but it is a problem and there's no way to not say it's a serious problem when people are getting killed.

Like I said before, you shouldn't have to be perfect in the presence of a cop to not wind up dead.

On the other hand, I can't imagine living the life of a cop. One of my good friends is a retired cop and some of the things he has told me have been pretty crazy. Unfortunately the few bad ones, VERY few (I can't emphasize that enough), make everything 10 times more dangerous for all of the good ones. A job that's already dangerous enough as it is. It isn't hard to see how that vocation would eventually wear on you. People get PTSD from traumatic events in their lives, events that the cops rush to every day. That's got to be incredibly tough.
 

MountaineerWV

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If Obama had just come out and said the words "Radical Islam" none of this would have happened......
 

mneilmont

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A little strange for me, but maybe others have an explanation.

Who was driving?

Male is sitting in passenger seat. And female says officer kept yelling for driver's and registration. Officer does not need his driver's if she is driving.

Female says he is reaching for wallet because that is where he keeps his driver's. Officer says he was telling him to get his hands up/out/stop moving(couldn't totally understand). Female says he(officer)shot him in arm and blew his arm/hand off. (Note right hand/arm is under seat belt which suggests he is not complying with officer command)

Where is gun found?
 

MountaineerWV

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A little strange for me, but maybe others have an explanation.

Who was driving?

Male is sitting in passenger seat. And female says officer kept yelling for driver's and registration. Officer does not need his driver's if she is driving.

Female says he is reaching for wallet because that is where he keeps his driver's. Officer says he was telling him to get his hands up/out/stop moving(couldn't totally understand). Female says he(officer)shot him in arm and blew his arm/hand off. (Note right hand/arm is under seat belt which suggests he is not complying with officer command)

Where is gun found?

She had video flipped. Was reported that the male was driving. And his arm was under the seatbelt reaching for his wallet that the officer told him to get. That's when he and his girlfriend notified the cop of the conceal permit. That's when she said the shots happened. So his arm was where the cop told him to have it, pulling out his wallet.
 

PriddyBoy

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Amen. Unfortunately, on this board and members are very black and white on their beliefs and what they are willing to say and admit to.
^^^agrees things are gray while saying we are very black and white in our beliefs.

It's getting harder to keep up with this stuff.
 

torontoeers

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Is it possible to get less Rev Jeff 'H double O D' Hood during the coverage? Who is this jackwagon? Seriously....could it be anymore about him and what he's done thusfar? What an f'n GOOF!
 

wvu2007

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Is it possible to get less Rev Jeff 'H double O D' Hood during the coverage? Who is this jackwagon? Seriously....could it be anymore about him and what he's done thusfar? What an f'n GOOF!

Yeah, that guy is annoying. I can't tell if he is trying to make a speech or is trying to rap.
 

wvu2007

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He sure as hell loves the spotlight....like we all need to listen to his self absorbed bs while people are grieving.

I read up more about him, he apparently has said some really inciting things over the past few years. Then he gets up there today trying to act like MLK Jr.
 

mneilmont

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She had video flipped. Was reported that the male was driving. And his arm was under the seatbelt reaching for his wallet that the officer told him to get. That's when he and his girlfriend notified the cop of the conceal permit. That's when she said the shots happened. So his arm was where the cop told him to have it, pulling out his wallet.
The same issues were brought up on TV about half hour ago. No one offered your answers. It is a bit confusing when you look at her video.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I sure don't. I mean, I would notice if it wasn't there but that's about it.

I have semi-similar stories from when I was younger and encounters with police. There are certainly some bad eggs out there, but they are in the minority. It's not even close.

As far as MN is concerned ... from what we know now, it sure seems like the cop over-reacted. I think I said it yesterday that there's probably something the victim could have done differently, but it's a pretty sad day if we have to be absolutely PERFECT when pulled over or we're going to get killed. These shootings in Dallas ... no way I'll ever understand the logic in that. I could almost understand it if it was the same cop involved in one of these other incidents but just randomly killing cops (not even in the same damn city or even state) just because they are cops? I don't see how that's any different than the lynchings just because somebody was black.
I do a complete walk around on my car every time I get in it to drive complete with a quick undercarriage and tire well search for unexpected additions to my vehicle. I also park in the middle the most open part of parking lots. Basically, out at the very end of it.
 

dave

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Nor is there a good side on the cop who shot the dude in Minnesota.....even the governor said so. Stopped him for a broken tail light. Didn't even know they still stopped you for that crap these days...Guess only black males.....
Well at least until more facts come out and now it appears the story is not the same as originally told. At least you got to say something snarky and race bait.
 

MountaineerWV

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Well at least until more facts come out and now it appears the story is not the same as originally told. At least you got to say something snarky and race bait.

And what's the newest update? I haven't watched anything.....
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Well at least until more facts come out and now it appears the story is not the same as originally told. At least you got to say something snarky and race bait.
He's a social justice warrior. Acts solely on emotion and whatever his Facebook feed says.
 

wvu2007

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I don't have social media........