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Hawkangler

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I think he actually DOES enjoy messing with the message-board portion of the fan base.
I have seen this scenario several times. I have no preference for which QB wins the job.
Since Kirk has said many times that he doesn't waste his time on the internet, I highly doubt he is messing with message board fans. Kirk had beat his drum to his tune for 28 years, been pretty darn good at it too.
 

iahawkeyes17

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Why is Kirk such a wuss? Just name one. If it is a disaster, make a change.
Correct. He’s done this with OL last few hes years rotated guys in to play at some spot. Feel like need to let that unit build continuity with starting 5. so fact doing this with qb is even more bothersome.

and speaking of remember last time we played niu to open season. Amani jones starting mlb. Struggled big time. Phil and Wallace benched mid way through 1st game for Welch who took the job and never looked back.
 
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85Bears

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Correct. He’s done this with OL last few hes years rotated guys in to play at some spot. Feel like need to let that unit build continuity with starting 5. so fact doing this with qb is even more bothersome.

and speaking of remember last time we played niu to open season. Amani jones starting mlb. Struggled big time. Phil and Wallace benched mid way through 1st game for Welch who took the job and never looked back.
Well the O line did win the Joe Moore last year so his rotations seem to have paid off.
 

Hawkfan_08*

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Yearly reminder that a KF depth chart means about as much as all of our opinions on a message board. Not a whole lot. Starters rarely change on there despite guys playing a ton/ getting fewer reps. It doesn't matter.
 

paednoch23

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Yes and imo time to do it was after kids day. Each had their fair shot up to that point it's obviously neck and neck and performances were much different. At that point you try to help offense build momentum and revisit it if you have too. Imo I think KF wants Brown to be starter and had results from the scrimmage been flipped Brown would be named starter by now.
They were neck and neck in practice. The scrimmage should have the deciding factor. I assume this is an old geezer rewarding seniority coupled with risk aversion. Cignetti wasn’t into risk aversion and that is why he has a title.
 
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uihawk82

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If I remember correctly (and I probably don’t) we played Tennessee in an early season game, maybe 1st game and Hayden was undecided on 3 QB’s. McGuire, Poholsky and Hartlieb I believe. And he played all 3 in that game and it was a disaster. Now NiU is not Tennessee and we could probably get away with playing both. Going to be interesting!
You are correct. It was the 1987 season, easy to look up, and McGuire was number 1. We all found out how slow McGuire's dropback was as it lead to a lot of pass rush pressure on him (McGuire would later do well at San Diego St iirc). Poholsky, who played well in 1986, when the starter got hurt, did not do well in the home opener a week later so Hartlieb got the #1 job and ran with it, including that great last second win at OSU.

This year, well Brown is the more natural looking dropback passer with the height etc and some say this summer practice he looks quick enough. But Heck might be a gamer. That is why I am always up for playing both of them a good deal in this first game, and even against ISU and UNI. Get the video tape on them, look at their stats, look at their intangibles and their decision making. Then make a decision before the Mich game.

Against ISU if your starter is playing well against a P4 team you maybe leave him in and hope you have a big lead to let the other QB get snaps
 
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Kceasthawk@77

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They were neck and neck in practice. The scrimmage should have the deciding factor. I assume this is an old geezer rewarding seniority coupled with risk aversion. Cignetti wasn’t into risk aversion and that is why he has a title.
So is Lester in old geezer? Sure sounds to me like he's the deciding factor. People keep saying that its KF. I'm not buying it. Lester's been a HC, and an OC and has coached in the pro's and college. If Kirk brought him in to run this offense, and is overriding his decision I doubt he'd still be here now, and he sure as hell won't be here next season.
 

Garzatough85

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It’s never good going into a season without a starter named at quarterback. It’s too unsettling for a team with all the uncertainty and unnecessary drama. Just pick a godd@mn starter and if you’re wrong change it. This is one Ferentz tendency that has always bothered me.
Oddly consistent inconsistency from a consistently consistent coach 😳
 

Jonesy5960

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It’s never good going into a season without a starter named at quarterback. It’s too unsettling for a team with all the uncertainty and unnecessary drama. Just pick a godd@mn starter and if you’re wrong change it. This is one Ferentz tendency that has always bothered me.

Absolutely unnecessary drama. Very un-Kirk like. He has to know the longer he goes without naming a starter the more he's going to get asked about it and I can't imagine he enjoys answering those questions.

I get it, the QB competition has been close. Just seems dumb to go into the season without naming a starter. Name a guy and let the offense rally around him.

Why is Kirk such a wuss? Just name one. If it is a disaster, make a change.
Everyone is aware that Kirk is loathe to make changes at the QB position, and the easiest way to avoid making a change at QB is to avoid naming a starter in the first place.

If he names a guy and that guy shats the bed then he's forced into a position that he wants to avoid.

It's pretty clear that neither guy has distinguished himself as "the guy" and the staff is hoping this happens over the coming days/weeks so as to avoid a potential controversy going forward. At some point, probably next week, the "or" gets lifted regardless of performance because they'll have no choice.
 
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85Bears

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Everyone is aware that Kirk is loathe to make changes at the QB position, and the easiest way to avoid making a change at QB is to avoid naming a starter in the first place.

If he names a guy and that guy shats the bed then he's forced into a position that he wants to avoid.

It's pretty clear that neither guy has distinguished himself as "the guy" and the staff is hoping this happens over the coming days/weeks so as to avoid a potential controversy and going forward. At some point, probably next week, the "or" gets lifted regardless of performance because they'll have no choice.
Or Lester and Kirk want to see both qbs perform in game conditions against NIU. Yawn
 
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