Tuco's game breakdown......

dinglefritz

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waiting......somewhat patiently:) x's and o's for those of us who just enjoy watching the game and took too many blows to the head as high schoolers.
 

dinglefritz

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Tuco: "We won."
well there's a little more to it than that. There's a couple of guys on here who do good breakdown of plays which are worth reading and he's one of them. It's one of the reasons I pay the big bucks for this board.Winking As an old fart ADD sufferer, I've never had the patience or inclination to study things that closely to make anything more than obvious observations. I respect a couple of guys who can give us more than the obvious. There used to be another poster/coach who was really good and unfortunately is no longer posting here.
 

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well there's a little more to it than that. There's a couple of guys on here who do good breakdown of plays which are worth reading and he's one of them. It's one of the reasons I pay the big bucks for this board.Winking As an old fart ADD sufferer, I've never had the patience or inclination to study things that closely to make anything more than obvious observations. I respect a couple of guys who can give us more than the obvious. There used to be another poster/coach who was really good and unfortunately is no longer posting here.
I was joking, sorry. I get it, and I agree some have more insight than others. As someone else mentioned, it would be cool if we had access to the game film the coaches use. You miss a lot with the zoomed in TV footage.
 

dinglefritz

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I was joking, sorry. I get it, and I agree some have more insight than others. As someone else mentioned, it would be cool if we had access to the game film the coaches use. You miss a lot with the zoomed in TV footage.
I LOVE game video breakdown from guys who know what the hell they're talking about. What happened and why. Love it. It takes most of the opinion out of it and lays bare the facts. The video doesn't lie but you have to know what the responsibilities were on any given play.
 
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Sorry. Having a little family time this afternoon. I will post something this evening after dinner.

But the offense seemed out of sync. The timing was off, even when the snap was on target.

I don’t know if South Alabama came in with a different gameplay than what Frost expected or as Fred Durst and limp bizkit say “just one of dem dayz”

I fully expect the offense to be more crisp next week. Yesterday just seemed like the execution was just missing and the timing was off
 

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I need to see SSO's breakdown. That will go a long way toward assuaging my fears or sending me over the edge into hopelessness.
 

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Rewatching the game, something else I've noticed, but not seen mentioned, is perimeter blocking by the receivers left ALOT to be desired.
 

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waiting......somewhat patiently:) x's and o's for those of us who just enjoy watching the game and took too many blows to the head as high schoolers.

My week one break down...it was week one and we seen a bunch of teams struggle and some power 5 teams even lose during week 1. There are reasons why a lot off power 5 teams play push overs for week 1...because teams tend to struggle and not play their best football during week 1. I’m not going to dissect or look into this first game much at all. Simple put...our offense had an off game and our defense played great. Now it’s time to see how we do against Colorado. If things still look rough offensively....then we might have to worry a bit.
 

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Sorry. Having a little family time this afternoon. I will post something this evening after dinner.

But the offense seemed out of sync. The timing was off, even when the snap was on target.

I don’t know if South Alabama came in with a different gameplay than what Frost expected or as Fred Durst and limp bizkit say “just one of dem dayz”

I fully expect the offense to be more crisp next week. Yesterday just seemed like the execution was just missing and the timing was off

Holy mother of ...Tuco and I on the same page? The off season must be over...
 

dinglefritz

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My week one break down...it was week one and we seen a bunch of teams struggle and some power 5 teams even lose during week 1. There are reasons why a lot off power 5 teams play push overs for week 1...because teams tend to struggle and not play their best football during week 1. I’m not going to dissect or look into this first game much at all. Simple put...our offense had an off game and our defense played great. Now it’s time to see how we do against Colorado. If things still look rough offensively....then we might have to worry a bit.
That's an easy generalization but doesn't identify why we struggled from an x's and o's standpoint. You're obviously correct, but if we really want to learn something so we can comment intelligently it's good to see some x's and o's analysis. Sometimes the scheme makes a guy look bad and vice versa. Diaco most of the time and Bo at times schemed things that either made no sense or were virtually impossible for guys to execute given their skills. Sometimes a teammate's screw up makes you look bad. It would be fun to sit down with Jay Foreman and guys like that and just listen to them break things down. I don't know which former Blackshirt it was but he said he "hated to go to games because he couldn't stand stupid fans making comments about things they had no clue about". That pretty much describes a good share of us so I like to try to be a little less stupid,:Cool:
 

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That's an easy generalization but doesn't identify why we struggled from an x's and o's standpoint. You're obviously correct, but if we really want to learn something so we can comment intelligently it's good to see some x's and o's analysis. Sometimes the scheme makes a guy look bad and vice versa. Diaco most of the time and Bo at times schemed things that either made no sense or were virtually impossible for guys to execute given their skills. Sometimes a teammate's screw up makes you look bad. It would be fun to sit down with Jay Foreman and guys like that and just listen to them break things down. I don't know which former Blackshirt it was but he said he "hated to go to games because he couldn't stand stupid fans making comments about things they had no clue about". That pretty much describes a good share of us so I like to try to be a little less stupid,:Cool:

I definitely understand what you’re saying bro.
You can tell Frost want to keep it simple and lean heavily on Mills and the running game. S Bama defense solid out to stop the running game and brought pressure all game long. Then you top that off with Martinez having an off game...there wasn’t a thing to force S Bama to back off and to stop sending pressure. It was the prefect scenario for S Bama.
 

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It didn't really look like they sold out to stop the run. They just did a better job at the LoS.

Me and you definitely watched two different games then. S Bama sent a number of blitzes. But hey, lets take this up more after the Colorado game. Our offense definitely has a few things to clean up. That’s for sure.

Let me make this clear...S Bama was bringing pressure more so earlier on. The second half was a bit different. But then again, our offense only had 14 snaps the whole second half of the game??? That’s crazy.
 
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WoodRiverJennings

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Me and you definitely watched two different games then. S Bama sent a number of blitzes. But hey, lets take this up more after the Colorado game. Our offense definitely has a few things to clean up. That’s for sure.

Let me make this clear...S Bama was bringing pressure more so earlier on. The second half was a bit different. But then again, our offense only had 14 snaps the whole second half of the game??? That’s crazy.

I think you must've watched a different game than most of us. Also, there is a huge difference between stacking the box and 'bringing pressure'. I think you meant that they were stacking the box.
 

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I think you must've watched a different game than most of us. Also, there is a huge difference between stacking the box and 'bringing pressure'. I think you meant that they were stacking the box.

That’s why our sweeps on off tackle runs worked. No idea why our down field passing after the 1st Q was so bad. I couldn’t see the WR on TV
 

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Having Mo in the first half would have helped with the perimeter run game. He can get out there in a hurry.
 

kccornhusker

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I saw Spielman running free several times...
Mike Williams was too on at least 3 plays I can think of that ended up unsuccessful. I haven’t had a chance to watch the TV broadcast yet, but from the stadium view, opportunities were there and pass pro wasn’t bad - just didn’t click for whatever reason.
 

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It didn't really look like they sold out to stop the run. They just did a better job at the LoS.
I agree. They didn’t have to stack the box and were able to sit in a zone. AM couldn’t/wouldn’t make the throws.
 
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It doesn’t look like I am going to be able to watch the game again today, so a couple of things I saw from the game on 1 pass.

OL struggled. Some of it appears to be adjustments in line calls. There were several times where Matt Farniok appeared to be questioning Jurgens on the call. That can be chalked up to experience.

As weird as it is to say, I think the punt return and the defensive TDs factored into the lack of execution of the offense. Not having the ball for nearly the first 9 minutes of the quarter did not allow the offense to get into a rhythm after the halftime adjustments. By the time they got the ball, they were up 21 and the game was at a different place momentum wise.

I though Mills ran hard, but he doesn’t appear to be very elusive at all. You have to be able to make someone miss. Trying to run over 320lbers is not a recipe for success and health.

Martinez struggled getting through his progressions. As I said earlier, not sure if it is because USA brought something different, or if it was just a bad day

Defensively, I think Honas is still a touch slow to react. I thought Domann looked good in limited snaps. He needs to play more. Alex Davis still looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. I remember seeing Ferguson on the field but I don’t recall him being involved much.

Secondary played decent. I though Lamar Jackson looked more physical.

I think the team looked flat in general. Like they figured the game was going to be a walkover. Hopefully that mentality changes with a road game, and a road game with a revenge factor.
 

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I'll add my thoughts on the defensive line:

Daniels brothers: Good, got good penetration at times and disrupted some plays. Darrion did really well coming off blocks and making plays and looks like he knows what he's doing far better than anybody else on the d line. Nervous about what does that says about the coaching.

Davis twins and other D ends: Bad, our defensive ends were regularly pushed back several yards against a small offensive line. When Carlos Davis is in at end, we should absolutely be stuffing the run, yet S. Alabama had several plays where they ran straight up the middle for 10 yards.
 

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I'll add my thoughts on the defensive line:

Daniels brothers: Good, got good penetration at times and disrupted some plays. Darrion did really well coming off blocks and making plays and looks like he knows what he's doing far better than anybody else on the d line. Nervous about what does that says about the coaching.

Davis twins and other D ends: Bad, our defensive ends were regularly pushed back several yards against a small offensive line. When Carlos Davis is in at end, we should absolutely be stuffing the run, yet S. Alabama had several plays where they ran straight up the middle for 10 yards.

their longest runs were 12 and 15 yards, with the latter coming on a reverse to a WR

the human memory: not very reliable!
 

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It felt for a while they were only trying to highlight Wandale and Mills. Seemed you knew if Wandale was there, he’d touch it. Otherwise it was all mills. Felt very forced at times, maybe just because it was unsuccessful.
 

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Wandale needs to touch the ball, as he average nearly 8 yards a touch plus 77 yards on 3 returns. I’m sure that was something they wanted to see. Working new guys in, even if they are yardage guys, has an effect on rhythm. Adrian has to figure out a new song now that Wan’dale is my n the band.
 

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their longest runs were 12 and 15 yards, with the latter coming on a reverse to a WR

the human memory: not very reliable!
That's why I said 10 yard runs up the middle... Or maybe you just posted that to remind yourself, I'm not sure.
 

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That's why I said 10 yard runs up the middle... Or maybe you just posted that to remind yourself, I'm not sure.

they ran for 83 yards on 44 carries, averaged 1.9 per carry and picked up just 5 first downs on the ground. how many went for 10 yards?

there was plenty not to like about our performance on Saturday. run defense wasn't one of them.
 

kccornhusker

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That's why I said 10 yard runs up the middle... Or maybe you just posted that to remind yourself, I'm not sure.
Took a quick look at the play chart - their longest between the tackles runs were one for 6, two for 7, and one for 12. Which confirms what I remembered (and the stats show). Not sure what you are talking about?
 

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Took a quick look at the play chart - their longest between the tackles runs were one for 6, two for 7, and one for 12. Which confirms what I remembered (and the stats show). Not sure what you are talking about?
Whatever, against actual decent teams with our defensive ends getting pushed back and our linebackers filling the wrong spot, those plays are going to go for a lot more yards.
 
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Whatever, against actual decent teams with our defensive ends getting pushed back and our linebackers filling the wrong spot, those plays are going to go for a lot more yards.


So it didn’t happen like you said it happened, now you have resorted to mythology, hyperbole and what ifs.
 
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John_J_Rambo

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Whatever, against actual decent teams with our defensive ends getting pushed back and our linebackers filling the wrong spot, those plays are going to go for a lot more yards.

thanks, I'm sure we'll play the exact same way against those teams, too.
 

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I definately would have liked to see our front 4 or three man front push the pocket more.. if they can cause more double teams then it frees up lbs..even the announcer on the field mentioned this. That our guys on the line just were not getting off blocks well. This will be huge against zone blovking teams like iowa and wisy.They need to throw those guys and make a play .. i loved how domann plays down hill off the edge... just go tackle the rb and if qb reads that and pulls it out to the outside then someone else get out there and tackle him.. we got lucky and great pressure with at least 2 corner blitz.. one with jackson fumble... cam another fumble for td.. great play calls from Chins.. i think they move so many people around in the back end that its hard to anticipate where one on the right and the left are gonna be. I hope they find the right mix. All in all good on defense..

Offense obviously oline struggled.. they just seemed to have a hard time getting to the next level.. the first scripted plays were fine but i think thats why Cam struggled he has to snap the ball sometimes chip a guy and go get a lber.. they just couldnt get a hat on a hat at the 2nd level when that happens its going to be beautiful again
. I think mo is just mo faster and harder to bring down.. having him a full go is huge.. i would like more drag routes against that soft zone as well with any combo of our wr.. depth levels routes ot crossing routes.. get AM out of the pocket a little more. Wr and te need to find the soft spots in that zone like when stoll caught the first one.. AM needs to trust himself and not out think it... hope its not the sophmore slump and just a bad game.. i think we will play much better against CU and beyond.. my .02
 

kccornhusker

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Whatever, against actual decent teams with our defensive ends getting pushed back and our linebackers filling the wrong spot, those plays are going to go for a lot more yards.
Don’t argue if that’s what actually happens. I haven’t had a chance to watch the broadcast yet, but I did have concerns with Mo and Honas early. That looked to get cleaned up as the game went on. Didn’t see huge concerns along the line; in fact, was impressed a few times that I remember to see guys stand up blockers and then shed to make the tackle. The fact our D linemen had as many/more tackles as any LBs outside of Mo says something.
 

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Took a quick look at the play chart - their longest between the tackles runs were one for 6, two for 7, and one for 12. Which confirms what I remembered (and the stats show). Not sure what you are talking about?
They didn't run between the tackles too much either. About half their total carries were from the qb. When they did run between the tackles with their running back, they did have some success running for 6, 7, and 12 yards like you said.
 

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Whatever, against actual decent teams with our defensive ends getting pushed back and our linebackers filling the wrong spot, those plays are going to go for a lot more yards.
So you’re full of **** and now making excuses?
 

John_J_Rambo

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They didn't run between the tackles too much either. About half their total carries were from the qb. When they did run between the tackles, they did have some success running for 6, 7, and 12 yards like you said.

gee, if running between the tackles was working so well, why do you think they went away from it? fascinated to hear your thoughts.