Tubby's bubble about to bust..
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If you don't know that the 1998 players wanted Donovan then you don't know what the hell you're talking about. They openly lobbied for him to be hired. You're not the only person who knows someone so you can end your obsessive "I'm the godfather of all past UK players" speech with me.
You know damn well that Anderson didn't play the last half of the year .
Have you ever looked at the Hall of Fame list ? There are plenty of mediocre coaches in there . Pretty much only takes longevity to get in there . I do agree that tubby should have a jersey hung cause he won a championship . After he retires . I don't want anymore active coaches having their jerseys hung .
Well like I said next season (2018) is the 20th anniversary of his Comeback Cats so they could do a Rupp Arena reunion sort of deal and retire his jersey all in the same day! 
Tubby did win us a championship, three additional Elite Eights, five SEC championships, five SEC-T championships, undefeated conference season, National Coach of the Year and he served us with honor, dignity, and class. I would be proud to have Tubby's jersey up there with our other championship coaches (not counting the current one of course).
Tubby did win us a championship, three additional Elite Eights, five SEC championships, five SEC-T championships, undefeated conference season, National Coach of the Year and he served us with honor, dignity, and class. I would be proud to have Tubby's jersey up there with our other championship coaches (not counting the current one of course).Keyser crawls out from under his rock when anybody tells the truth about ten loss.
No your blind loyalty isn't allowing you comprehend. Try to read what I said slowly. We only had to endure the agony of BCG and Sutton for a few years, but we had to endure Tubby for 10 yrs. Why is that hard for you to understand? Oh, nevermind.
Now wait a second, was that Sutton's fault personally? From what I gather (correct me if I'm wrong) he didn't personally do anything wrong (just like what happened with Jim Valvano around the same time as NC-State AD) but you all know what they say about "the buck stops here" right?
We can see your post history.
We endured the agony of Sutton long after he left, on top of the only losing season since like the 30's or something he left us on probation, helped to give us a bad reputation, we couldn't watch games on TV and we didnt go to the NCAA Tournament for 4 years.
Tubby was here for 9 years, won a title, 4 elite 8's, and had some really good regular seasons but you refer to that as 10 years of agony. Too funny, none of the other haters will have your back on this.
LOL! I love these posts. Nobody tells the whole truth about Tubby. The LOD picks only negative facts. The ones that remember Tubby favorably only the positive ones. Fortunately, his entire resume will be considered by those that matter. The jersey will go up. He'll be in the HOF.
The ones that lived in Tubby hell are wrong. The ones that lived in Tubby heaven are wrong. Truth is always somewhere in the middle.
The problem with Tubby's teams is that we HAD to watch them........
Great point. When you hate someone and have to watch their team, thats gotta be gut wrenching.
Plus , we were never accused of being racist because we criticized them .
if you want the honest truth - this actually frightens me
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I agree with this. He should get credit for the title. I thought his coaching was great during that 1998 run. But after that year several decisions including Saul, led to his downfall. And he damn mailed it in his last few years. He simply couldn't get to another final four in spite of having teams that clearly were worthy of it. And since UK, his results have been mediocre at best, if not worse than mediocre.
Spot on. Yes, I agree he should go in the rafters for the title, (they're very hard to come by, and IMO he did a great job with that team), but after that team he began showing us he couldn't/wouldn't, recruit at the level required for a program of the stature of UK.
To me his biggest failure was allowing his son to be our PG, Saul simply wasn't anywhere near good enough to play at this level, and it cost us elite PG recruits. Duhon comes to mind right off the bat.
I don't "hate" the man, that's asinine, but I do hate that he allowed the program to falter, and fall to the level he did. I literally jumped for joy when I learned he was leaving.
For all of you who think OTS won't be in the HOF, two words: John Chaney
If he's in, Tubby's a lock. Taking five schools to the tourney, one FF and one NC is a decent resume.
As for 98, it's my opinion that Rick wouldn't have coached that team to a title. Those guys were leftover parts as Rick let our cupboard get a little bare thanks to his constant flirtations with the NBA and a few high-profile misses. Don't be revisionists, y'all.
If he's in, Tubby's a lock. Taking five schools to the tourney, one FF and one NC is a decent resume.
As for 98, it's my opinion that Rick wouldn't have coached that team to a title. Those guys were leftover parts as Rick let our cupboard get a little bare thanks to his constant flirtations with the NBA and a few high-profile misses. Don't be revisionists, y'all.
We had been mired in mediocrity for years under tubby. I didn't dislike him but I knew we could do better.
To say he destroyed the program though or was even on the verge of that seems like a pretty large exaggeration however after witnessing the post Sutton years. Tubby made the tourney every season and never lost in the first round. Cal can't even say that.
He was also a few bad breaks away from multiple final fours. Bogans going down was a killer and then 2 years later a career 25% three point shooter went 5 for 5 against us in the E8. Those are two really bad breaks.
To say he destroyed the program though or was even on the verge of that seems like a pretty large exaggeration however after witnessing the post Sutton years. Tubby made the tourney every season and never lost in the first round. Cal can't even say that.
He was also a few bad breaks away from multiple final fours. Bogans going down was a killer and then 2 years later a career 25% three point shooter went 5 for 5 against us in the E8. Those are two really bad breaks.
Total agreement with this too. Padgett, Mohammed and Turner were the only guys left that played big minutes on the runner up team if I remember correctly.
I remember reading that Ricks last recruiting class(Bradley, Anthony, Hogan) was underwhelming by his standards and many speculated that made it easier for him to leave.
Bad luck is a bad excuse. But, having said that, luck had nothing to do with a 3 point shooter being hot against us. The ball line d wasn't just a bad defense. It was a stupid defense in the era of the 3 point shot. In our tournament losses during the Tubby years, the team that beat us almost always shot the 3 unbelievably well. Tubby's failure in the tournament wasn't as much luck as it was simply having a defense that didn't work against the better teams.
I always look forward to the weekly **** on tubby thread. The guy could cure cancer and some would still **** all over him. Yes he won a title with pitinos players. Iirc pitino only won one title while he was here. In all fairness, in 2003 had bogans not gotten hurt he would of won it all that yr as well. He recruited some of our favorite cats of all time including prince, bogans, and Hayes are just a few. The man has been gone from here for ten years. If your life is so miserable that you have to continue to kick him like Terrance jones and a homeless guy than you might want to find a new hobby like flying drones. Cal acknowledges tubby as a great coach and most worship everything he says. Let it go he didn't win the average of 5 championships like most expected here but last time I checked cal hasn't yet either, which will be the next one people will **** all over if he doesn't win atleast one more title
There has only been one coach in Uk's existence that left with people totally in favor of them, Rick Pitino. The reason is because he left in his prime, the rest overstayed their prime. Even Rupp was going through fan critiques, as was Hall, and Cal has already started getting them due to other factors.
Tubby is in no way void of anything if those men went through a meat grinder.
Debating Tubby's career at UK at this point is like debating the merits of the Nixon or Carter administrations.
Who cares?
Who cares?
I didn't read that anybody HATES Tubby in this thread but questioning his ability to recruit and to involve his coaches into the AAU scene is a fatal flaw.
Tubby was a good coach but you ain't got a clue WHO could have won a NC with that team.
Whether you like the truth or not but Rick did make the statement that getting rid of Tubby would be a bad mistake. Later Dickie V took up the rant by saying he was run out of Lexington.
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Tubby's last four years and Billy G's time here might have been the worse stretch of college basketball that Kentucky has ever seen.
Not sure that you are saying this but the 1998 team was far from being a bare cupboard.
I agree.
Turner- outstanding college point
Sheppard- one of the best shooting guards in college that year
Padgett- played in NBA
Nazr- played in NBA
Magloire- played in NBA
Evans- one of the best 6th men in nation that year
Edwards- solid forward reserve
Mills- very good shooter off the bench
That's a very deep roster of interchangeable players. Tubby could go small and have the advantage. He could go big and have the advantage. He had outstanding shooters. He had outstanding big men. His 3s and 4s could hit the 3. His point guard wasn't beat off the dribble. After 1996 and 2015, you could argue that team was the deepest, most athletic team in the past 50 years at UK. I don't include 2012 because that team basically played 6 players.
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