Tubby's bubble about to bust..
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You didn't know Pitino tried to cool Tubby's seat?[laughing]
Yea, pretty crazy isn't it? That was just before he offered up the great John Pelphrey and Travis Ford as replacements when Tubby quit.
Are you 16?
Quick question, who are the coaches that could've won a title with that team? Who are the coaches that could've won a title with the Wall/Cousins team or the 38-0 team? Im sure there's a coach somewhere who could've won with Villanova last year too, I'm sure that argument is being made somewhere and you posing that question about Tubby isn't hater nonsense.
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Just don't live and breathe UK BB, so I missed Pitino's effort on Tubby's behalf.
The point is too many people claim without Tubby that championship wouldn't have happened. I've even see people say they were glad Rick left (in hindsight) so Tubby could coach them. That's ridiculous. He just came off of 2 title games and a championship, and they WERE HIS PLAYERS. Does that really make sense to anyone?
What we know, is that Tubby Smith had never been to a final four before that, and will never make a final four run in his career after. Rick Pitino left that team on the table.
And these aren't mutually exclusive. Could Tubby had won a title with '15? Maybe so, it's definitely possible, but 1998 could have been won by other guys including their real coach, Pitino.
I have no clue what you're trying to suck me into here.
Lots of coaches could have won Titles with all three of those teams.
Also, if you played each tournament 10 different times, you would probably get 7 or 8 different winners. What's your point?
Someone made a statement that no one but Rupp or Tubby could have won with the '98 team. Idiotic, considering their talent level.
What are you arguing here? Seems pretty cut and dry that it was an asinine statement.
The point is questioning if other coaches could win with that team is hater BS. The man did an amazing job that year with that team, there's a reason you can't just let that be and feel the need to slight him. Do people ask if someone could've won the Super Bowl instead of Belichick, or National title other than Dabo or Jay Wright? No, we all acknowledge that they did a great job and leave it at that.
Tubby Smith is a regular conversation around here and acknowledging the truth about him is fair game. He stubbornly refused to deal with AAU handlers and influential family confidants therefore sacrificing his career in the process.
For the amount of sht that UK's program and fans put up with, I'm fine with anyone pointing out the truth. Tubby drove UK into the ground his last 4 years, and if he'd have stayed another two years, we were headed for doom. He knew it, so he bolted before he was fired.The notion that somehow Rick Pitino couldn't have won that title is absurd. That's the point I was making.
Having said that, I'm fine with acknowledging Tubby as one of the five to win a title here. I've met Tubby several times and he's always been generous, and I've got some neat Tubby memorabilia. I also love some of his teams because those were my high school years.
Is what it is.
Are you really this obtuse?
WeepNoMore said no one else could have won, other than Rupp or Tubby.
I didn't bring it up. I simply refuted an idiotic assertion.
Doesn't diminish the job Tubby did to acknowledge that we had a talented roster in '98.
If you want to call me a hater, you simply have no clue. Yes, I'm a hater. I hate illogical, moronic assertions.
He's already changed the point so arguing past this mark is pointless. Next we'll be arguing whether or not Tubby is a good man.. Been down this road not going back.
Oh look, another strawman argument from the snowflake. I'll make my own arguments, I don't need any help from you.
My bad, it looked like you simply made the statement without you quoting what you were referencing it to.
Yeah, he really took off here when he got all his players and none of Rick's........not
I thought he specialized in using other coach's players.
Nope. Tubby didn't coach a team to a title....he watched a team win a title and made substutions.
Just a reminder to some of you Tubby critics. Tubby is ONLY UK coach to never fail to take team to NCAA tourney and also never lost a first round game. He has as many UK NCAA championships as Hall, Pitino, and Calipari.
Didn't hurt that the one and done rule didn't start until his last 2 years here, which were his worst ones . He also didn't sign many players that left for the NBA early at all. No attrition means less chances for failure, but more chances for lesser results (the lack of Final Fours with his own players).
I don't like to defend Pitino, but he had to rebuild a team that was devastated by the NCAA. Tubby from 1998 would have never gotten us rebuilt if he took over that situation. He was handed the keys to a Rolls-Royce and by the time he left he had traded it in for a Pinto.
Unfortunately, that is what likely happens when you follow a great coach. You get lesser results than previously. I expect Barnhart to make a similar hire when Coach Cal is gone. Hard to get anyone that is a very good coach to follow a legend.
I don't understand all the negative commits about Coach Smith really think he done a decent job when he was here, didn't he avg. like 27 wins a yr. I think he is a nice guy and a pretty good Coach, just saying.
When someone questions if other coaches could've won a NC with that team it's ALWAYS, 100% of the time, in response to the idiotic assertion that "no one could've won that NC with that team except Tubby."
They/we are not hating on anyone...just responding to someone making a moronic statement.
That may be true, but Tubby actually deserves it. He almost destroyed UK basketball. The only time in my 50 yrs of following UK that I almost quit watching and I certainly quit paying to go to the games.
You Tubby haters are so far removed from reality it's laughable. :sunglasses::sunglasses::sunglasses:
You indict yourselves with comments like the one above!
Doesn't matter , Tubby would have had team turmoil number 3 . Remember? He didn't know what to do with talented players . Prince and Bogans were Mcd AA's that played multiple years in the NBA but we're so stifled by the tubsters style of play they had to stay 4 years and were drafted WAY below their value . So yeah. I'm saying the tubster doesn't make the final 4 with the 2015 team . As usual .
For all the tubby nut danglers . Without the greatest basketball program ever ( Kentucky) pushing him along , tubby smiths overall record going into this year is 294-193 . He has made the NCAA 8 times in 15 years . And has been as far as the round of 16 twice . Tubby Smiths resume is more about what Ky did for him than anything he has actually accomplished. He is and always has been a fair/average coach . Supposed to be a nice guy though .
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Your agenda is showing. PPat, Meeks returning, Draymond Green coming in. Tubby left because he had lost the fan base. His team at that point was actually on the uptick.
That 1998 team had four guys that were drafted and played a total of 45 years in the NBA . Compare that what tubby left when he left .
I remember when we were all excited about Randolph Morris , Joe Crawford, Rondo , and Ramel Bradley . Or Prince , Bogans , Jason Parker, and Rashaad Carruths . That's 7 MCD's AA's if you are counting. I do think the tubster made 1 final eight in that time so I'm sure he was satisfied.
Two things can be true:
1) Tubby did a great job with the 1998 team and won a championship. He should be recognized for that.
2) Tubby also slowly ran the program into the ground with inexcusably bad recruiting and jetted off to Minnesota before the mess he created could really come to fruition.
1) Tubby did a great job with the 1998 team and won a championship. He should be recognized for that.
2) Tubby also slowly ran the program into the ground with inexcusably bad recruiting and jetted off to Minnesota before the mess he created could really come to fruition.
Tubby should be commended since as of February 12, 2017 Memphis has only 8 losses which is the best he's done in 10 years. And he might have a winning record in the conference for the first time in ten years.
Nothing like being in AAC to get on a streak. He only needs 2 wins out of the next 5 to have a winning conference record!!! A first after 10 years, doing great.
Nothing like being in AAC to get on a streak. He only needs 2 wins out of the next 5 to have a winning conference record!!! A first after 10 years, doing great.
I will agree that Pitino would not have won a title in 1998. Tubby did a fantastic job coaching that bunch. However he could not coach elite talent and could not recruit consistantly worth a crap. He left UK in worse shape than it was in prior to him getting there. Solid coach but not great. Recruiting is a big part of coaching.
Damnit, some of you hold grudges worse than my wife.
Tubby has been gone nine years and 11 months. Let it go already. We've been back to the top of the mountain. Any damage he caused has long been erased. Pettiness is a bad look.
Tubby has been gone nine years and 11 months. Let it go already. We've been back to the top of the mountain. Any damage he caused has long been erased. Pettiness is a bad look.
Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. PP committed to Billy G and did so because his family said his in home visit blew them off of their feet. Lots of people felt at the time PP could have followed Lucas to Florida if Tubby had stayed. No guarantees there. Green never committed to UK, although there's a chance he would have.
His teams were absolutely NOT on the uptick and that's why he left. Tubby was afraid he was about to head to NIT's and bolted. Not hating him, but our program was in trouble and most people know that. You can believe whatever you want.
With us getting turned down by a player that chose prep school over us to get a better offer, I'd say we were definitely on a downward trend. Plus finishing his last 2 years at 22-13 and 22-12 and losing in the second round 2 straight years was a bad situation. He knew it and was out the door before he was shown the door.