Trump's tax cut....???

WVUCOOPER

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Honest question, is your increase a result of your overall tax strategy? Could you change how you do things to have a more favorable impact under the new structure? The SALT was hashed repeatedly on here and we’re not in agreement. I do love your little conspiracy about the point being designed to punish states with high proportions of Dems. That’s classic.
"Middle Class" W2 taxpayers with no CTC aged kids will probably see a flat to tax hike via this legislation. The more one itemized, the bigger the tax increase. As in all legislation, there are winners and losers. About 4/5 taxpayers will see a tax cut. IMO, that is missing the bigger picture.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Honest answer: No. I lost a bunch of exemptions due to a large family coupled with almost $22000 worth of deductions and it was replaced with a Standard Deduction of $24000. This increases my Taxable Income dramatically over something that is directly related to the legislation and I have zero control over it. This accounts for about 90% of my Effective Tax Rate going up 35%. That is a large tax increase. Agree?
Yes I do.
 

WVUBRU

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Yes I do.
And some knowledgable people would ask me "Lower your Taxable Income by contributing more to 401K" or things such as that which used to be known as "front page planning". Me personally, my wife and I max out our 401k contributions so that isn't an option with personal finance decisions. About the only thing I can do is change my investments. That would cause a big tax bill in the year I do it and will help with taxes in the future. However, that also changes my wealth planning. And I am where I am financially due to wealth planning and I will continue along those lines. But I'm not bitching about the taxes I pay on Investment Income and I actually am a proponent of increasing taxes along those lines.
 

WVUBRU

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Here is an interesting way to see how your taxes are impacted from 2017 to 2018. It isn't fully 100% accurate due to things such as if the new tax law didn't take effect, the IRS adjusts the tax tables every year and some tax code provisions expire and change based on various legislation from the past.

But take your 2018 financial information and if you have tax software or a Coop to do it for you, put in your data into 2017 software. Check out what it spits out. Compare to your 2018 tax results. Again, not 100% accurate to the tax legislation but I'm guessing it is 95% relevant
 
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I'm as nervous as a ***** in church. I haven't done my taxes yet, been too busy. Looks like I'm going to have to try to carve out some time this weekend to get them done. My itemized deductions were double the standard deduction last year. I'm hoping, since they doubled the standard deduction (at least that is what I heard) that I "break even."
 

tjebarr

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I'm as nervous as a ***** in church. I haven't done my taxes yet, been too busy. Looks like I'm going to have to try to carve out some time this weekend to get them done. My itemized deductions were double the standard deduction last year. I'm hoping, since they doubled the standard deduction (at least that is what I heard) that I "break even."

unless you had more withheld than the previous year, you will most likely owe. I had an additional $100 per week withheld for federal and broke even
 

WVUCOOPER

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unless you had more withheld than the previous year, you will most likely owe. I had an additional $100 per week withheld for federal and broke even
That HEAVILY depends on tax bracket, filing status and dependents. Also, it's possible (likely?) that you had an additional $100 held out of your checks, but your total withholdings for the year were down.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Honest answer: No. I lost a bunch of exemptions due to a large family coupled with almost $22000 worth of deductions and it was replaced with a Standard Deduction of $24000. This increases my Taxable Income dramatically over something that is directly related to the legislation and I have zero control over it. This accounts for about 90% of my Effective Tax Rate going up 35%. That is a large tax increase. Agree?
Quick follow up, I recognize the change to the tax structure in the legislation affected this with you. But where I’m confused and back to my original question, how is what you explained not a result of your tax strategy in relation to the new structure? And you’ve found no changes you can make to what you do that would benefit you?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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And some knowledgable people would ask me "Lower your Taxable Income by contributing more to 401K" or things such as that which used to be known as "front page planning". Me personally, my wife and I max out our 401k contributions so that isn't an option with personal finance decisions. About the only thing I can do is change my investments. That would cause a big tax bill in the year I do it and will help with taxes in the future. However, that also changes my wealth planning. And I am where I am financially due to wealth planning and I will continue along those lines. But I'm not bitching about the taxes I pay on Investment Income and I actually am a proponent of increasing taxes along those lines.
Based on some comments you’ve made in the past, I assumed you’re financially able to effectively allocate your assets while maxing out your 401k.
 

WVUBRU

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Quick follow up, I recognize the change to the tax structure in the legislation affected this with you. But where I’m confused and back to my original question, how is what you explained not a result of your tax strategy in relation to the new structure? And you’ve found no changes you can make to what you do that would benefit you?
My family in which I can claim them as an Exemption under past year's and code to losing that this year is not something I can control. My Itemized Deductions are also pretty much fixed costs except for my voluntary contributions to nonprofit entities. I can't affect the State taxes I pay and I barely pay any mortgage interest and that is going down every year so nothing I can do there that is a smart tax and wealth strategy. So the tax strategy that I can affect that caused most of my increase tax bill is 100% out of my hands; it is all due to the tax legislation.
 

WVUBRU

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Based on some comments you’ve made in the past, I assumed you’re financially able to effectively allocate your assets while maxing out your 401k.
Investments in 401k's are tax deferred into the future. Have no clue what this comment has to do with my 2018 tax bill.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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My family in which I can claim them as an Exemption under past year's and code to losing that this year is not something I can control. My Itemized Deductions are also pretty much fixed costs except for my voluntary contributions to nonprofit entities. I can't affect the State taxes I pay and I barely pay any mortgage interest and that is going down every year so nothing I can do there that is a smart tax and wealth strategy. So the tax strategy that I can affect that caused most of my increase tax bill is 100% out of my hands; it is all due to the tax legislation.
Ok, so why aren’t you starting real estate businesses, a farm, charter fishing business or something along those lines? Would those things not also be considered tax strategy? At least it is in my house.
 

boomerwv

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Your chart is showing exactly what it was designed and sold to do. It was designed increase profits for corporations who can and have been reinvesting it back into their businesses, through growth, IRAD, hiring, and compensation. You guys have bought full on into the evilness ******** of workers party propaganda.

That just isn't what is happening. Those "investments" are largely corporate level bonuses and stock buybacks. And jobs? We've had jobs. Unemployment was at 4.8% when Trump took office, and now it is at 4.0. We have had job growth for a decade almost. Did we need a stimulus for jobs?
 

WVUBRU

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Ok, so why aren’t you starting real estate businesses, a farm, charter fishing business or something along those lines? Would those things not also be considered tax strategy? At least it is in my house.
I don't want or need a side business. Why would I? I enjoy my life as it is and have more money than I know what to do with. Hopefully, 30 years from now I can make other's lives better with my excess by giving a lot of it away.

And again, I'm not bitching at all about my tax bill. I'm talking honestly about it as an example of what others might be feeling.
 

WVUBRU

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And in the past, I had a side business and it was too successful. It was actually a smart tax strategy to end it. And I sure as hell am not going to have a business in order to have a tax writeoff.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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That just isn't what is happening. Those "investments" are largely corporate level bonuses and stock buybacks. And jobs? We've had jobs. Unemployment was at 4.8% when Trump took office, and now it is at 4.0. We have had job growth for a decade almost. Did we need a stimulus for jobs?
You’re saying corporations aren’t doing IRAD projects? Wage growth isn’t up? Etc?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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And in the past, I had a side business and it was too successful. It was actually a smart tax strategy to end it. And I sure as hell am not going to have a business in order to have a tax writeoff.
Congratulations on your success.

We can agree to disagree on the latter. I’d personally rather my money be used for my family’s interests than spent on a study of the African snail darter’s affect on the migrational dynamics of the Brazilian honeybee polenation processes.
 

WVUBRU

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Congratulations on your success.

We can agree to disagree on the latter. I’d personally rather my money be used for my family’s interests than spent on a study of the African snail darter’s affect on the migrational dynamics of the Brazilian honeybee polenation processes.
It was good to have a non-political or confrontational discussion.
 

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WVUBRU

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Ever hear of the story of The Tortoise and the Hare? Slow and steady over a long period is not always a bad thing and sure as hell beats a sprint and a die.