Same. Always liked him on the Daily Show.
Trent Noah
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There are tons of guys across the country less athletic than Noah that get their shots off against SEC teams. Running through a legitimate offense ( not sure what we were doing last year) and with a legitimate pg. ala Cameron Meals.
Im not saying he’ll be all sec or a big time player. I just think the young man can actually shoot. I think his issue last year was more to do with the sporadic playing time and when he did get in he either rushed his shot or hesitated.
Also, if he can actually get his man to face guard him 30 feet from the basket, I’ll take it. One less guy clogging up the lane.
one last thing and I’ll shut up. Judging any one player too harshly on last year’s dysfunctional team can be a mistake. That goes from Oweh all the way down to Noah.
I’m on shaky ground here—I coped with last season by only half watching—but it didn’t seem like we ran a lot of the floppy action that worked so well for Brea and Herro, at least not for Noah, maybe a little for Chandler. Is that observation fair? If Noah fast enough to run it? Why didn’t we see more of it, you reckon?
There is reason to believe that with the skilled guards and big we have Noah will be freed more for open shots. McBride seems to play the two man game pretty well. The two of them working the perimeter to get each other open could be successful, in addition to Diallo and Wilkins driving and dishing, and Moreno punching it out of double teams down low. The team last year after Lowe went down probably hurt Noah as much as anyone.
Exactly. Leave it to this forum for someone to use the way he shot 3 years ago in a high school state tournament to make the case that he's the best shooter on the team. Yeah I'm sure he could knock down three's against Lion county, but he couldn't shoot worth a damn against the SEC. I think he's a nice story, but thats where it ends. He has no business getting any meaningful minutes at a place like Kentucky.
Time will tell. He is on the team. That is a certainty. So, real UK fans hope he gets open shots and hits them at a 45% clip. The fact that players repeatedly said he is the best shooter they have played with is also a foundation for that hope.
Mills averaged 11 minutes per game in ‘98. Shot the three at nearly a 44% clip. One could argue we don’t have #7 without him. Noah is more athletic and an all around better basketball player than Mills. There’s a place for him on this team. Not claiming it’s a big one but to say otherwise is ludicrous.
Some of you are so pissed off about last year and how recruiting is going that you lost all rational thought.
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Chandler also went long stretches at times without getting looks. Although they gave us what they had, the two guys that had the ball in their hands the most weren’t playmakers (meaning distributors in this case). Not sure the ball ever got kicked out when MO had the ball down low. When OO put his head down, it was going to be put up no matter what 99% of the time. Very few kick outs. Just my humble opinion of course.
To me last year’s team was just a collection of misfit toys. Not sure Lowe would have been as big of a help as many think. He would have helped but he was a shoot first pg. At one time he was averaging more shots per minute than Oweh.
But Trent Noah DOESN'T shoot it at a 44% clip. "More athletic and all around better basketball player..." Better at what, and what exactly is he doing on the court with it?
You're giving Mills this set value and then trying to equate Noah to Mills. When Noah shoots like Mills, we'll talk.
Noah is a low usage, low mistake player. Basically, he doesn’t do much obvious harm by taking and missing a ton of shots or turning it over a lot. He plays within his limits.
Playing with play making guards hopefully will improve his shooting efficiency. He’s already proven to be capable on the glass for a wing. Not many wings have defensive rebound rates on par with centers and a decent steal rate. Based on the box score, Noah was quite a good defender. If that TS% approaches 60, he will become a fan favorite and a pretty darn good wing.
There is precedent a good defending guard gaining some shooting ability. Hawkins was a terrible offensive player for all but his senior season when he finally became a solid shooter. Noah has better shooting fundamentals than Hawkins so there is reason to be optimistic.
Playing with play making guards hopefully will improve his shooting efficiency. He’s already proven to be capable on the glass for a wing. Not many wings have defensive rebound rates on par with centers and a decent steal rate. Based on the box score, Noah was quite a good defender. If that TS% approaches 60, he will become a fan favorite and a pretty darn good wing.
There is precedent a good defending guard gaining some shooting ability. Hawkins was a terrible offensive player for all but his senior season when he finally became a solid shooter. Noah has better shooting fundamentals than Hawkins so there is reason to be optimistic.
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There is a big difference shooting 3’s against Tennessee Tech than a SEC team. Noah can’t create a shot off the dribble which limits his efficiency against elite athletes.
The context of my posts are that I think he’s a better shooter than he showed last year. Mills didn’t shoot 44% from three his sophomore year but he became a small but vital piece to that ‘98 team. I’m not trying to equate them but to show that he “could” become a contributor.
I disagree somewhat here. 90% of threes are taken when the shooter is open. If you say the difference is getting an open three I’d agree but if you’re open you’re open. Doesn’t matter if it’s UT or Tenn Tech.
We play against lower level teams all the time and they get wide open looks. Even against Cal’s athletes he had out there.
It’s not like Noah’s shooting 35 feet hook shots because he can’t get open. Again, if you’re open, you’re open.
Do you know how many "good ole Kentucky boys" (my best ignorant redneck voice) can make threes if "open"? A bunch. You could make the case for (insert Kentucky-born "great shooter" player) that "if open" would have made shots at a 40% clip from three. The key is being open as previously argued.
I'm not against Noah succeeding, what I'm against is this wishful thinking of our fans from one side of their mouth claiming that our "kentucky born and bred" players can actually be impactful, while on the other side of the mouths clamoring for the acquisition of the most talented players in the country via the portal or high school. You can have one or the other, but can't be both. On a traditional Kentucky basketball team of yester-year, a kid like Noah should NEVER see the floor. If Noah sees significant minutes it means we're bad. If Noah comes in to get one WIDE OPEN three-attempt per game, ah-lah Kyle Wiltjer, then we are likely really good.
He should literally beg and pray to be able to serve in the same capacity as Kyle Wiltjer in 2012. Some of you take this way too personally because of some kind of dream or wish that the good-ole-boy from Eastern Kentucky makes good on his dream of playing at UK. It's dumb.
He'd be a joy to watch if he started knocking down his threes. Here's hoping.
He storms the boards for rebounds, which is a big thing I look for.
He storms the boards for rebounds, which is a big thing I look for.
I’ll type slower so you can follow along. I never mentioned him being a “Kentucky” boy. Your weird arse did. The context of my post was that I think he’s a better shooter than he showed last year.
He’s not nearly as bad as some of you all make him out to be. He’s signed with another SEC team before coming to UK. Judging him or any player on last year’s dysfunctional team isn’t going to give you a clear idea of who they are.
On your other point. Any of you other guys wish we had a roster full of KY boys and no elite talent?……..No one? Of course not. Just an idiotic statement. I will say though. I’m sure glad we passed on Cam Mills so that we could sign Antoine Walker in 94.
Nothing boosts confidence like making a bucket. He seemed really skiddish last year.
If he can get some shots to fall he will turn into a different guy. If he has the green light and passes up shots he needs to sit.
The kid can play. I hoping he gets the between his ears part sorted out.
Before he can make them he has to take them. High school doesn't matter much anymore as we need to at least get him back in freshman performance levels and then move forward from there.
Last season he struggled to pull the trigger, never mind the drop off on makes.
Dude has a nose for the ball and tries hard but he has to let it go when he has opportunities and tightening up that dribble would be nice too.
I respectfully disagree. Do Ky fans want to see ky boys succeed, absolutely. I at least want them to be given a chance if they are capable of playing at this level.
I honestly believe Noah can succeed at this level. He rebounds, can pass. plays good defense ( not great) and has a sharpshooter talent.
It's really special for a KY kid to play for the university and brings lots of pride to our State and communities.
Now. If that doesn't translate into a player from the State who is better than other players we recruit and play, that's a concern.
I'm looking forward to him elevating his game this year. I don't think he will be a star but he is capable of playing for us and contributing.
I think that 90% estimate is rather high. Most people I talk with and papers I read put it at 36%. The Vanderbilt coach talks about the rule of 39. 39% of threes are open and shooters make 39% of their open three-point shots.
I think we have a different view at what open is. I don’t agree at all with this coach. Maybe I’m just misunderstanding. Very possible.
Hitting 39 threes out of a hundred is pretty good but not if the other 61 are forced.
Being in rhythm in the spot you shot in practice and make is the confidence builder
I think there is a communication breakdown possibly. Here is your statement.,”90% of threes are taken when the shooter is open.”. As that reads, it would mean only 10% of threes are being guarded. The average college team shoots 24 three pointers a game. That would average to over 21 open look shot attempts a game.
What Byington is saying, is that during the course of a game 39% of the three-point attempts will be open looks. And, that 39% of the time those taken shots will be made.
I’ll start by saying, I think Byington may know a little bit more about the game than me. lol Allow me to narrow my scope a bit. Guys like Cam Mills in the past and Noah today aren’t shooting rising up and firing over defenders like a Momcilovic might do or crossing over and stepping back like a Dillingham might do. If they’re shooting it, it’s because they’re open.