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Wall Knight Teague

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katwest said:
I remember playing against him when he was at Eddyville in the pen, a bunch of us guys would go and play some prison teams inside the yard at Eddyville. One thing that I noticed was that when an outside team came in to play the inmates, the crowd was for us which I thought was funny.
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Could he still play?

Who comprised "the crowd"? Inmates?
 
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I wish someone could reach out and help this guy out in his final day, and I am a hard one on crime! He needs a break? Governor Bevin this might be a good one to pardon
 
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fultoncoflash said:
I wish someone could reach out and help this guy out in his final day, and I am a hard one on crime! He needs a break? Governor Bevin this might be a good one to pardon
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I hope this is a bad attempt at sarcasm.

OP, thanks for posting this thread. I've learned alot I previously didn't know. You are a rarity... a well spoken, respectful UL fan lol. Hope you stick around.
 
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When he wanted to he could, he never seemed very interested in playing hard when I saw him. The crowd was any of the inmates that wanted to watch who were out on the yard at that time. I never felt comfortable playing down there and only did about 3 or 4 times. Although nothing ever happened involving outside teams that came in to play. A few years later two inmate teams were playing a game and during a time out somebody was stabbed in one of the huddles, after that they discontinued the policy of letting outside teams come in and play.
 
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Kampus Korner said:
I was a UK freshman in 69 before flunking out and getting drafted into the Army. During the summer of 1969 before Tom enrolled at UK I played basketball with him at Woodland Park in Lexington. Of course, he dominated the play but he got along well with everybody.

His father was career military and his mother was a teacher in Louisville. He did not get along with some of the UK players, particularly Mike Casey. Payne had some games at UK where he dominated. Other games he was a non factor. However, back then the talent level in the SEC was not what it is today. There were very few black players and some SEC teams were still all white. Ironically, I next saw him while I was visiting a client in Eddyville State Penitentisry. He obviously had been lifting weights because he looked like a body builder.

Tom clearly had many sides to his personality. He could be a nice guy to some people but a serial sexual predator to women. I would be surprised if he were ever released. He has been in and out of prison several times for rape. Based on his history he would be a high risk for commiting additional sexual offenses.
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I had occasion to be at KSR on a regular basis in the late 70's and most of the 80's,,If you were out on the "yard" you couldn't miss Payne.Seven feet tall is one thing but he looked like someone from a terminator movie,probably well north of 300 lbs (think a bigger Kevin Nash in his WWE days)

Payne had issues in high school but got away with things because of who he was.He was a serial sex offender before such things were as well publicized as they were later and are today. He raped women in at least 3 states,one such incident taking place on the hood of a car.It is amazing he wasn't shot somewhere along the way.I dealt with offenders all my working life(from serial killers to cold check artists but sex offenders and child molesters are a different breed altogether.Most other crimes I could understand how people got there and to a degree what the got from doing what they did,but the sex offenders(particularly where children were involved) were their own special type of weird.I felt somewhat dirty just interviewing them or gathering evidence and details of the crimes.
 
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docholiday51 said:
I had occasion to be at KSR on a regular basis in the late 70's and most of the 80's,,If you were out on the "yard" you couldn't miss Payne.Seven feet tall is one thing but he looked like someone from a terminator movie,probably well north of 300 lbs (think a bigger Kevin Nash in his WWE days)

Payne had issues in high school but got away with things because of who he was.He was a serial sex offender before such things were as well publicized as they were later and are today. He raped women in at least 3 states,one such incident taking place on the hood of a car.It is amazing he wasn't shot somewhere along the way.I dealt with offenders all my working life(from serial killers to cold check artists but sex offenders and child molesters are a different breed altogether.Most other crimes I could understand how people got there and to a degree what the got from doing what they did,but the sex offenders(particularly where children were involved) were their own special type of weird.I felt somewhat dirty just interviewing them or gathering evidence and details of the crimes.
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What sort of work were you doing? Sounds fascinating...
 
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Blfox002 said:
I would actually like to watch that. He was very personable and insightful. I only had a few minutes to talk to him, but I would have talked to him for hours if I could have.
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Dick Gabriel produced it. It was called something like "Rupp: myth, legend and fact". I think it's all on YouTube in sections.
Tom Payne is a tragic tale. His own fault, but still sad. He got drafted by Atlanta and was soon arrested for rape. I think he served time but got out and played for the "Catbirds". I think he went to Hollywood to try to be an actor and got in trouble again. I don't think he's ever getting out.
One of his UK teammates ministers to him - maybe it was Jim Andrews?
 
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docholiday51 said:
I had occasion to be at KSR on a regular basis in the late 70's and most of the 80's,,If you were out on the "yard" you couldn't miss Payne.Seven feet tall is one thing but he looked like someone from a terminator movie,probably well north of 300 lbs (think a bigger Kevin Nash in his WWE days)

Payne had issues in high school but got away with things because of who he was.He was a serial sex offender before such things were as well publicized as they were later and are today. He raped women in at least 3 states,one such incident taking place on the hood of a car.It is amazing he wasn't shot somewhere along the way.I dealt with offenders all my working life(from serial killers to cold check artists but sex offenders and child molesters are a different breed altogether.Most other crimes I could understand how people got there and to a degree what the got from doing what they did,but the sex offenders(particularly where children were involved) were their own special type of weird.I felt somewhat dirty just interviewing them or gathering evidence and details of the crimes.
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Doc, you are exactly right about the “Terminator” movie analogy. I have never seen a bigger, more muscled human being than the Tom Payne I saw in prison. I also agree with you that sex offenders are rarely if ever “cured” from their compulsions. I’ve represemted several over the years and all of them kept their repeating sexual misconduct.
 
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docholiday51

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Wall Knight Teague said:
I'm sure you've heard and seen it all.
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A lot of it,but no one has seen it all.People keep on thinking up crazy sh!^ and even crazier reasons for doing it. The jobs I've had causes one look at just about everything a little different than most people.If it hadn't been for sports I might be some kind of nut(Some would say sports didn't help all that much)
 
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I'm sure he was nice to you op. I've read quite a bit about Payne. Under no circumstances should he ever be allowed into society.
 
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Blfox002 said:
He was an all American for UK, went on to a pro career and just had some real personal demons that included rape of young women.
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You're kinda underselling his "personal demons" there.

Let's be blunt, he was a serial rapist who violently raped women in several different states. And he wouldn't stop, when he got out of prison, he went right back to more raping.
 
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Blfox002 said:
He was an all American for UK, went on to a pro career
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False. He was never an All American.

And his pro career merely consisted of less than half a season (only 29 games) before being arrested mid-season in connection to multiple rapes.
 
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Ben101er said:
Freshmen were not eligible back when Payne came to UK, so his varsity year, was his sophomore year. That was 1970 and it was also my freshman year, and I remember him well. He was pretty skilled and was getting better. Had he been able to control himself, he probably would have been in the league for years.
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Tom frustrated Adolph to the limit remember when he was caught driving a new Caddy on New Circle Rd registered to the Milwaukee Bucks :chairshot:Adolph blew a gasket!
 
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Kampus Korner said:
I was a UK freshman in 69 before flunking out and getting drafted into the Army. During the summer of 1969 before Tom enrolled at UK I played basketball with him at Woodland Park in Lexington. Of course, he dominated the play but he got along well with everybody.

His father was career military and his mother was a teacher in Louisville. He did not get along with some of the UK players, particularly Mike Casey. Payne had some games at UK where he dominated. Other games he was a non factor. However, back then the talent level in the SEC was not what it is today. There were very few black players and some SEC teams were still all white. Ironically, I next saw him while I was visiting a client in Eddyville State Penitentisry. He obviously had been lifting weights because he looked like a body builder.

Tom clearly had many sides to his personality. He could be a nice guy to some people but a serial sexual predator to women. I would be surprised if he were ever released. He has been in and out of prison several times for rape. Based on his history he would be a high risk for commiting additional sexual offenses.
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Rumors from Maysville back then said Ronnie Lyons and Payne had some problems but it was never verified.
 
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OP thanks for being so civil. You seem to be a honorable man. Yes I remember very well because I was a junior in H S. I'm glad to here this and thanks for posting. Brings back many memories. Thank You

One other thing Denny Crum secured a young forward from Mississippi that coach Hall coveted. Don't know your age, but his mane was Kenny Payne. Take care!
 
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Tom Payne has been in an out of prison multiple times for the same crimes. He's been given chances to change, and the only thing that ever came out of it was more victims. He doesn't deserve to ever be let out again.
 
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