Three cheers to Amazon

DvlDog4WVU

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So thinking that corporations should pay their own way and large and small organizations should operate under the same rules is communist now?
Certainly ignorant, which I guess is akin to Communism. Really just splitting hairs there.
 

boomerwv

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Hilarious.....Are you the "job czar"?
Under 4% unemployment in the financial capital of the world. This isn't Detroit we are talking about here, if yoi dont have a job in NYC you either dont want one or will never get one.
 

WVUCOOPER

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People embrace economic ignorance that supports their team. This probably isn't a new phenomenon, but it certainly seems FAR more pronounced in this era.

We appear to be nation of populists that hate globalization, hate free trade, like tariffs that support industries we like and hate Evil Corp and their money making, tax base growing, employing evilness. Maybe the coffee guy can win in 2020 (insert THE's narrator joke)


 
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boomerwv

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People embrace economic ignorance that supports their team. This probably isn't a new phenomenon, but it certainly seems FAR more pronounced in this era.

We appear to be nation of populists that hate globalization, hate free trade, like tariffs that support industries we like and hate Evil Corp and their money making, tax base growing, employing evilness. Maybe the coffee guy can win in 2020 (insert THE's narrator joke)



Corporations are fine, but they shouldnt also be state sponsored. Ask Norfolk VA how that **** works out.
 

WVUCOOPER

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Corporations are fine, but they shouldnt also be state sponsored. Ask Norfolk VA how that **** works out.
Regurgitated talking points doesn't make any of that true. WTF does it mean they are state sponsored? Are kids state sponsored because of the CTC and EITCs? Are green technologies state sponsored because of their tax credits? Is hiring veterans? Hiring Native Americans? And on, and on, and on, and on
 

WVUBRU

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I had read $27 billion tax revenue off of the $3 billion break, but don't hold me to it.
That is also what I read this morning.

The biggest negative for NYC imo, and it is the same for wherever HQ2 might go but at different levels depending on what locale, is the effect on cost of living, specifically housing. In the immediate neighborhoods of Long Island City, the projected rent for apartments were going to skyrocket and existing residents would lose their homes. That is a real concern. There are always "winners and losers", I'm sorry to say

But in my book, the benefits of HQ2 would have been great for NYC or anywhere it might go.
 

boomerwv

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Regurgitated talking points doesn't make any of that true. WTF does it mean they are state sponsored? Are kids state sponsored because of the CTC and EITCs? Are green technologies state sponsored because of their tax credits? Is hiring veterans? Hiring Native Americans? And on, and on, and on, and on

So Amazon is a starving undrepresented minority group now?

We shouldnt give breaks to businesses just to show up. You end up like Trump bragging about how many jobs Carrier would mean.
 

WVUCOOPER

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So Amazon is a starving undrepresented minority group now?

We shouldnt give breaks to businesses just to show up. You end up like Trump bragging about how many jobs Carrier would mean.
You, and airport, might think that is possible in some Utopian dreamscape, but it's not reality. Incentivizing job creators often leads to (gasp) jobs, tax revenue, more jobs. Cherry picking a few poorly structured deals doesn't disprove this.
 

TarHeelEer

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You, and airport, might think that is possible in some Utopian dreamscape, but it's not reality. Incentivizing job creators often leads to (gasp) jobs, tax revenue, more jobs. Cherry picking a few poorly structured deals doesn't disprove this.

Your local weather is not the climate.
 

boomerwv

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Why is it OK for government to give breaks to some comapnies and not others? It is better to give none. If you want to lure them in, change your tax laws. Don't made side deals with Larry while Moe has to pay full price
 

dave

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Under 4% unemployment in the financial capital of the world. This isn't Detroit we are talking about here, if yoi dont have a job in NYC you either dont want one or will never get one.
What does the unemployment rate have to do with anything?
 

dave

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Why is it OK for government to give breaks to some comapnies and not others? It is better to give none. If you want to lure them in, change your tax laws. Don't made side deals with Larry while Moe has to pay full price
Because you dont get what is fair in life. You get what you negotiate.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Why is it OK for government to give breaks to some comapnies and not others? It is better to give none. If you want to lure them in, change your tax laws. Don't made side deals with Larry while Moe has to pay full price
Local and state Govt’s compete for business to come to their areas against other local and state Govts. Business will go where it gets the best deal to do so. Business in and of itself is a commodity to Govts because of job creation and tax revenue generation. In today’s age, businesses are no longer tied to specific areas for any geographical necessity. Instead, they’re looking for the human capital and attractive business climate. It is 100% always a good thing to have more available jobs in your district. It’s means more money for roads, schools, etc.

Is this fvcking bizarro world?
 

dave

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Local and state Govt’s compete for business to come to their areas against other local and state Govts. Business will go where it gets the best deal to do so. Business in and of itself is a commodity to Govts because of job creation and tax revenue generation. In today’s age, businesses are no longer tied to specific areas for any geographical necessity. Instead, they’re looking for the human capital and attractive business climate. It is 100% always a good thing to have more available jobs in your district. It’s means more money for roads, schools, etc.

Is this fvcking bizarro world?
What is scary is people who are elected to represent their constituents dont know these basic things. You get the government you deserve.
 

boomerwv

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Local and state Govt’s compete for business to come to their areas against other local and state Govts. Business will go where it gets the best deal to do so. Business in and of itself is a commodity to Govts because of job creation and tax revenue generation. In today’s age, businesses are no longer tied to specific areas for any geographical necessity. Instead, they’re looking for the human capital and attractive business climate. It is 100% always a good thing to have more available jobs in your district. It’s means more money for roads, schools, etc.

Is this fvcking bizarro world?

So everyone is happy when a prison gets built beside their town? How about a chemical plant next door?

There are lots of other factors involved too. Availability and affordibility of housing was a major concern for residents, if 25k new people move into town will they be able to afford to stay there after?

I get that governments want to increase their tax base. Do that by creating business favorable laws and selling companies on your people and infrastructure. Let every business operate on the same playing field, whatever that field may be.

What governments want and what residents want are not always the same thing.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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So everyone is happy when a prison gets built beside their town? How about a chemical plant next door?

There are lots of other factors involved too. Availability and affordibility of housing was a major concern for residents, if 25k new people move into town will they be able to afford to stay there after?

I get that governments want to increase their tax base. Do that by creating business favorable laws and selling companies on your people and infrastructure. Let every business operate on the same playing field, whatever that field may be.

What governments want and what residents want are not always the same thing.
No ****, Sherlock. And I’m betting some of those things you listed likely wouldn’t get the tax relief of say, Amazon HQ2. The **** man?
 

dave

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So everyone is happy when a prison gets built beside their town? How about a chemical plant next door?

There are lots of other factors involved too. Availability and affordibility of housing was a major concern for residents, if 25k new people move into town will they be able to afford to stay there after?

I get that governments want to increase their tax base. Do that by creating business favorable laws and selling companies on your people and infrastructure. Let every business operate on the same playing field, whatever that field may be.

What governments want and what residents want are not always the same thing.
If people cant afford to live there they could go to work for Amazon. I shouldnt have to explain to you why that is only common sense.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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What governments want and what residents want are not always the same thing.
70% of the people were for it. This is a case of the 30% of retardnation not wanting it. Don’t act like it was unanimous and it was cheered on by a moron who was elected to Congress, which apparently you’re all in for.
 

boomerwv

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70% of the people were for it. This is a case of the 30% of retardnation not wanting it. Don’t act like it was unanimous and it was cheered on by a moron who was elected to Congress, which apparently you’re all in for.

Its more like 55%. But I bet none of those are people who are going to not be able to afford their rent.

I dont really care about AOC beyond laughing when you guys lose your minds over a freshman congressman, but dont try to pretend Amazon backed out of this because of one person with little real power.