It's also Frost's job to produce a good defense and he didn't do that either. Most of the players on kickoff coverage are contributors on defense so that's a poor excuse. Sometimes it looks like they never stepped foot on a football field before with some of the dumb decisions that are made.
Thoughts on Chinander
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You could also say the offense play calling failed when the game was on the line. We had the ball with 2:32 left, only gained 9 yards & had to punt.
Prior 3 drives to that;
3 plays, 8 yards - Punt
3 plays, 9 yards - Punt
3 plays, -7 yards - Punt
My initial opinion when Frost brought him over was he is not going to cut it in the BIG10. Nothing these first 2 years or his time at UCF has made me change my mind. If the D sucks again next year he has to go no question about it. We don't need to have a top 10 D but being in the BIG10 I think having at least a top 25 D is a must. Last year the BIG10 had 3 teams in the top 10. 7 in the top 25.
And we gave up 27. All but 4 teams held Iowa to less points than we did. That's a mediocre at best performance if you ask me. And considering the defense gave up the game on the last drive, it was a pretty piss poor performance.
I didn't include the two wins because, in football, teams aren't incentivized to score as much when they're ahead.
the defense should've never been on the field that last drive, and the only reason we were in that game at all was due to the defense.
What the heck does a complimentary defense even mean? You get the best defense you can get, period. This "complimentary defense" is just another BS excuse for poor play.
I don't think anyone is saying that our Defense did great vs Iowa. I think the argument is that our Defense didn't lose that game as more of the blame probably falls on the offense. We ran 25 more plays then they did & had the ball longer.
Part of that is due to their 2 big TD plays + Kickoff return for a TD, but 25 more plays is a lot.
Well that's kind of a defense's job isn't it? To not give up points and keep the team in the game.
What difference does it make? Unless the score is 100-0 both sides didn't do their jobs and both sides get the blame for a loss.
hmmm.. that's not what you said just one post prior.
I think we'd all prefer to never give up a single point and go 15-0 every year, but alas...
That's the bare minimum standard for a defense. The defense's job is to win games. The defense's job isn't just to shift blame to the offense when a loss occurs. When's the last time our defense actually won us a game without the help of our offense? I can't think of any game in recent memory where this happened. In 2009, it happened every game.
My thoughts on Chinander? He's absolutely awful right now. Can he turn into an average coach with a few more years and more talent? Maybe but I hope our standards are better than that. We're never going to win anything of substance with an average defense. The sooner Frost realizes that, the better.
Ultimately there is no difference, but if we're comparing "who played better" (which I think that's what we're doing) then I would say our Defense played better than our Offense vs Iowa.
If Chinander can coach a consistent unit, I'll take it. That's all I ask.
I rewatched the 2012 aOSU game (Urban Meyer's first year) recently and Nebraska's defense held the Buckeyes scoreless up until under 12 minutes left in the 2nd quarter and didn't even allow a first down through the first four possessions...it was 17-7 with the only OSU points coming on a T-Magic pick-6, but....
Ohio State ended the game with 63 points.
The Pelini regime is full of collapses like that where they come out stonewalling the opposition for a quarter and change, get figured out, and then stomped (Wisconsin 2011/2014, OU 2010 CCG/Mizzou 2010 to a lesser extent in a win, etc.).
If Chinander can continue to develop a unit that you know what you're going to get drive to drive and game to game, I'll stay in his corner.
I rewatched the 2012 aOSU game (Urban Meyer's first year) recently and Nebraska's defense held the Buckeyes scoreless up until under 12 minutes left in the 2nd quarter and didn't even allow a first down through the first four possessions...it was 17-7 with the only OSU points coming on a T-Magic pick-6, but....
Ohio State ended the game with 63 points.
The Pelini regime is full of collapses like that where they come out stonewalling the opposition for a quarter and change, get figured out, and then stomped (Wisconsin 2011/2014, OU 2010 CCG/Mizzou 2010 to a lesser extent in a win, etc.).
If Chinander can continue to develop a unit that you know what you're going to get drive to drive and game to game, I'll stay in his corner.
I will answer for OldJar...
Our defense didn’t win the game for us, Northwestern handed the game over to us!
I like Frost as much as anyone, but he has called some very questionable games IMO. I think his best hire of his short career happened this off-season in Lubick. For him though, he has proven he can run an offense - you don't get the #1 offense in the nation by luck. Chin on the other hand needs some work - I'm not sold on him and our alignment has been abysmal the past 2 seasons.
Did you even read what I wrote? I already conceded that it ultimately doesn't matter, but there's a debate going on within this thread on who shoulders more of the blame vs Iowa. The offense or defense.
The thread is titled "Thoughts on Chinander". Not which side is to blame for the Iowa loss. There's plenty of Iowa threads you can debate this in.
Right and the conversation also morphed into who was more at-fault in the Iowa game. You can have more than one conversation topic in the same thread.
If this was only on "Thoughts on Chinander" then why did you bring up how many other teams gave up 20 to Iowa?
I think the DBs we are recruiting and developing will begin to surprise some people as they grow into B1G players. We just need a player or two to emerge as a legit pass rusher and Chin's defense should look way better.
For the defense he was being asked to run, I thought he did a nice job and improved the second half of the year, both the last two years.
If you don't like the defensive scheme, then you have to put that on Frost, not Chins.
If you don't like the defensive scheme, then you have to put that on Frost, not Chins.
the defenses' job in this scheme, is to get the ball back to the offense as fast as possible.
Special teams were even worse. But that shouldn’t make the poor defensive play acceptable.
Or the defense wasn't quite as bad as the offense, which in turn was not quite as horrendous as special teams.
Can’t see us winning very many championships under him unless Frost really gets the offense going. Mediocre at best DC.
You know it’s bad when one of the most conservative coaches in the game feels good about going for it on 4th down with the game tied or trying to score with 30 seconds on the clock. He knew Chinander would choke.
You know it’s bad when one of the most conservative coaches in the game feels good about going for it on 4th down with the game tied or trying to score with 30 seconds on the clock. He knew Chinander would choke.
********. More of the tired "this defense is fine with the other team scoring if it does it quickly", so the offense gets it back? The defense might be aggressive and be big on trying to force turnovers, but being fine with getting rolled if it means the offense getting more possessions? F that nonsense.
I’d be curious if anyone thinks we’ve gotten better in any phase of the game in the past 2 seasons.
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I didn’t say I liked it.
It is the scheme Frost plays. Hurry up tempo on offense and the same aggressive defense work together to give the offense as many opportunities to score per game as possible.
it is the exact opposite of a ball control offense that marches down the entire field chewing up clock, paired with a defense that makes the other team earn it the entire length of the field.
this is all on Scott and the scheme he brought here from Oregon.
I don’t think he cares if the fans like it or understand it either.
If he gets his offense rolling and we outscore opponents, I don’t think we’ll care that our defense isn’t top ten. That seems to be what he’s shooting for.
We just aren’t close to that yet. We may never get there. But that seems to be the formula he is using.
Scott frost fell into the same trap as bo. Hiring friends to be assistet coaches. This is a problem. Chinander is not an effective coach or motivator. Bo at least could motivate and coachI'm curious to hear people's thoughts on whether or not Chinander is the right DC for the Huskers.
Frost has said he doesn't expect his defense to be able to shutout people (simply due to the nature of our offense), but is that the right mindset to have?
Can the scheme that Chinander runs be effective once he gets the type of players he needs? Do we already have (and have had) more than enough talent to succeed, but the maturation and development of our players has just been that poor?? From a pure recruiting rankings perspective, we should in-theory have a higher level of talent than everyone else we face in the West, but on-the-field results have obviously shown otherwise.
Yes this has been discussed before, but I was thinking about it more this morning and just wanted to hear again what others thought - I just really want to talk football because this whole quarantine thing blows.
Lastly, the over/under on how quickly this becomes a pissing match is set at six posts
The only thing I don't like about Frost is the whole "D can give up 42 as long as we score 43." thing. So far he's only succeeded at one of those. I just don't buy that crap.
To me it’s too early to tell on chinander. The issue with Nebraska defense over last 3 yrs is that we have yet to have the personnel to run the 3-4. Have not had an elite nose tackle, don’t get pass rush from olb, and the ilb don’t have athleticism to fill a hole in the outside running game (ie minnesota) or cover the flats (ie Purdue). To me it’s more about personnel than coaching at this stage. That being said if we can’t recruit to system then maybe do need to regroup