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Wow. I was there for peak high school drinking. Kewl.
Assuming weed would be in the other direction?
That's what I was thinking...more weed and vaping usage in 2026.
I’m cannot imagine life without a high school kegger every weekend
I wonder why........If I recall you are against the legalizing of the reason.
Right, I'm 42 and still hit one up most weekends. It's where I meet high school chicks.
Social media drives some of this too. Less reason to actually hang out when you can just communicate with a device that fits in your pocket.
I keep getting older and keep banging high school chicks
Negative Ghostrider the pattern is full. Here's a study by the national institute of health (NIH):
Past 15-Year Trends in Adolescent Marijuana Use: Differences by Race/Ethnicity and Sex - PMC
The potential for increases in adolescent marijuana use is an important concern given recent changes in marijuana policy. The purpose of this study was to estimate trends in marijuana use from 1999-2013 among a national sample of US high school ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And for those of you that can't read for more than 1 minute:
Conclusion
Despite considerable changes in state marijuana policies over the past 15 years, marijuana use among high school students has largely declined. Continued surveillance is needed to assess the impact of policy changes on adolescent marijuana use.
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I’m surprised. I thought this would be why.Negative Ghostrider the pattern is full. Here's a study by the national institute of health (NIH):
Past 15-Year Trends in Adolescent Marijuana Use: Differences by Race/Ethnicity and Sex - PMC
The potential for increases in adolescent marijuana use is an important concern given recent changes in marijuana policy. The purpose of this study was to estimate trends in marijuana use from 1999-2013 among a national sample of US high school ...
And for those of you that can't read for more than 1 minute:
Conclusion
Despite considerable changes in state marijuana policies over the past 15 years, marijuana use among high school students has largely declined. Continued surveillance is needed to assess the impact of policy changes on adolescent marijuana use.
Ditto
Edit: And I did my share, and then some…
That study is looking at a period ending 13 years ago (2013).Negative Ghostrider the pattern is full. Here's a study by the national institute of health (NIH):
Past 15-Year Trends in Adolescent Marijuana Use: Differences by Race/Ethnicity and Sex - PMC
The potential for increases in adolescent marijuana use is an important concern given recent changes in marijuana policy. The purpose of this study was to estimate trends in marijuana use from 1999-2013 among a national sample of US high school ...
And for those of you that can't read for more than 1 minute:
Conclusion
Despite considerable changes in state marijuana policies over the past 15 years, marijuana use among high school students has largely declined. Continued surveillance is needed to assess the impact of policy changes on adolescent marijuana use.
Legalization only began in 2012.
Not doubting you, but is there anything more recent?
The most recent studies that I have seen estimate that about 1/3 of high school students will have tried THC by the time that they graduate, with estimates of regular use below 10%.
This is the answer. It's why the alcohol lobby fought legalization of weed for so long. Close second was the prison lobbyists
if you cant be dumb and reckless with chemicals whats even the point of being young even?
Nice spot and totally my bad. I was looking up articles on frequency of use for teens and there are a bunch of them. I picked a poor one as an example for sure. Here's a better one:
Cannabis Use in Adolescents - PMC
As cannabis legalization expands across the United States, its use among adolescents remains a pressing public health concern. This analytic essay analyzes the current prevalence, patterns, and consequences of cannabis use in adolescents. While ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This one goes through 2024 and is even more instructive. There's real risk of teens using marijuana as shown in this study. That's why NO ONE thinks teens should be using. BUT the point is that with > 50% of the US population living in states where there is Adult Legalization, marijuana use has remained low among teens.
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The evolving landscape of cannabis legalization, increasing product potency, and diversified modes of consumption present complex challenges to adolescent health and public policy. In contrast to adults, cannabis legalization has not led to a dramatic increase in adolescent cannabis use. However, it has resulted in greater social acceptance and reduced perceived risk in adolescents. While cannabis offers therapeutic potential for certain medical conditions, there is overwhelming evidence to demonstrate significant health risks associated with its consumption in adolescents.
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Here's a news release from the NIH as well:
Reported use of most drugs remains low among U.S. teens
Abstention from drug use remains at historic high, NIH-supported survey finds.
www.nih.gov
Personally I've got NO FREAKING IDEA how teen use hasn't increased, but there you go... It's counter intuative as hell.
The 70s had to be peak HS drinking in Iowa. Legal age was 18 until July 1,1978 when it went to 19. That was the summer after I graduated and unfortunately I didn't turn 18 until August so I had an additional year of underage drinking my freshman year of college!
Now at 51 years old, I'm starting to agree with the kids. Booze makes me feel like crap and is becoming not worth the temporary high. There are also all the studies out there showing how damaging drinking is. This is coming from a guy who used to drink 5-6 days a week. Now, I drink once every 1-3 weeks but try to stay under control.
consensus at least on this board (edit: i meant hrot but it appears to apply to hopot as well) is that cannabis consumption is largely beneficial and nih appears to very much support this take. at the same time nih is against adolescents consuming cannabis, which does intuitively make sense particularly since it apparently affects brain development during growth years.Nice spot and totally my bad. I was looking up articles on frequency of use for teens and there are a bunch of them. I picked a poor one as an example for sure. Here's a better one:
Cannabis Use in Adolescents - PMC
As cannabis legalization expands across the United States, its use among adolescents remains a pressing public health concern. This analytic essay analyzes the current prevalence, patterns, and consequences of cannabis use in adolescents. While ...
This one goes through 2024 and is even more instructive. There's real risk of teens using marijuana as shown in this study. That's why NO ONE thinks teens should be using. BUT the point is that with > 50% of the US population living in states where there is Adult Legalization, marijuana use has remained low among teens.
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The evolving landscape of cannabis legalization, increasing product potency, and diversified modes of consumption present complex challenges to adolescent health and public policy. In contrast to adults, cannabis legalization has not led to a dramatic increase in adolescent cannabis use. However, it has resulted in greater social acceptance and reduced perceived risk in adolescents. While cannabis offers therapeutic potential for certain medical conditions, there is overwhelming evidence to demonstrate significant health risks associated with its consumption in adolescents.
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Here's a news release from the NIH as well:
Reported use of most drugs remains low among U.S. teens
Abstention from drug use remains at historic high, NIH-supported survey finds.
Personally I've got NO FREAKING IDEA how teen use hasn't increased, but there you go... It's counter intuative as hell.
however studies (basically the article you linked) also claims "Adolescent cannabis use is associated with adverse outcomes in ...mental health, and physical health including its effects on the gastrointestinal, cardiovascular, respiratory and endocrine systems of body.....with no FDA-approved pharmacological treatments." if all these are true for adolescents, is it silly to worry about such effects in adults as well?
I was a lame boy that didn't drink in high school. I didn't want to risk getting caught and missing sports.
Funny that my junior year, there was a house party that got raided and all but four of the seniors on the football team had to miss the last game of the season. Several guys didn't get charged because they weren't drinking, but being at the party still broke school athletics code and they couldn't play. CSB.
Funny that my junior year, there was a house party that got raided and all but four of the seniors on the football team had to miss the last game of the season. Several guys didn't get charged because they weren't drinking, but being at the party still broke school athletics code and they couldn't play. CSB.
Good questions. First of all, you should know that in no way shape or form am I an expert in this. So my opinion (although in large part formed by peer reviewed scientific articles from reputible sources like the National Institutes of Health) should be treated as just an opinion.
I believe that Cannabis use CAN be beneficial in certain cases. It does seem to help with certain conditions that cause seizures, especially in kids. It's a good stimulant for making you want to eat, so it can help with chemo/radiation treatments where patients have a hard time eating. I hear that there are times when cannabis can help with chronic pain and anxiety issues (like PTSD). The fact that it's a schedule 1 drug prevents large scale longitudinal studies that can determine whether these claims are fact or fiction.
Personally, I believe that there IS some medicinal value in Cannabis. But for most of us (me included) it's just a vice. Like alcohol or tobacco.
I think it's pretty much a scientific conclusion at this point that cannabis use does adversly affect brain development in youth. So don't use it if you are < 21 and 25 would be better. As for the association with health risks in adolescents, the key there is ASSOCIATION. In other words when you are looking at people with these problems, cannabis use often comes up in their background. That doesn't mean causation.
Let me give you an example from the 1980s. Someone noticed that people who had diets that included high levels of beta carotine or took beta carotine supplements had crazy low levels of lung cancer compared to the general population. As you can guess, once a couple of papers showed that this ASSOCIATION was true, people went nuts and beta carotine was the new craze as a natural super vitamin. BUT then the real science to determine CAUSATION started to come in. It turns out to no ones surprise that the folks that were taking those supplement or eating foods high in beta carotine were living very healthy lifestyles compared to the general population. Balanced diet, plenty of physical activity, and (you guessed it) almost none of them smoked. So once the studies controled for lifestyle (especially not smoking) they determined that beta carotine had no benefits in preventing lung cancer.
So back to our subject... That cannabis flag COULD be kind of a chicken and egg kind of thing. The cannabis use could be causing the problems, OR people with those problems tend to use cannabis at a higher level than the general population. After all, it can "take the edge off" for both mental and physical issues. That's where those studies that we don't have would come in handy.
As for your last question, No, I don't think it's silly at all to wonder about that. And that's why I personally tend to consider cannabis use as a vice with no benefits to my health or well being until I see those studies we are talking about. Just like a good glass of bourbon at the end of the day, I do it because I like it.