We’ll never have a top 10 total defense under frost. Get over it. Doesn’t mean we can’t have a top 10 team.
This DC is terrible.
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Bo had All-americans and couldn't stop teams in his first year...Chin might be bad ultimately but there is no evidence he is bad right now. Even the best defensive coaches struggle their first year when taking over a historically bad defense. Stop overreacting based on the 2009 defense...we are overmatched in most games we play on the defensive side of the ball...guys aren't busting, they know where they are supposed to be, but they can't do what is asked of them. Go back and watch how many times guys were out of position...they weren't...they just got beat by better players. Defensive execution is more related to talent than offensive execution. Tackling a guy coming full speed at you 1 on 1 is much more difficult than catching pass.
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Either way people are delusional if they think some DC can just walk in and over night field a good defense under the circumstances.
Exactly I don't know why so many are willing to excuse poor defensive play just because our offense is good. Look at Alabama this year. They have a great offense and a great defense. They are exactly what we were in the 90's. It's been done here before! Having an Oregon level defense shouldn't be acceptable here.
That philosophy works in leagues like the Pac-12 or AAC where nobody plays any defense. But if you look at the history of the Big Ten, it's usually the teams with the best defenses that prevail in this league.
Not really, if you look at our schedule we played some of the worst offenses in the nation, and then gave up 63 in our first tough game. That is why ppg stats, rushing yards per game, passing yards per game, are misleading. If you play teams with a statue at qb, a team that runs clock, and uses field position and defense to win...your defense is going to look good. If you play Texas Tech you are not going to give up less than 30. If you play 2-3 MAC or Sunbelt teams you will also look better. We played some good offenses this year... obviously we are very thin and challenged physically but we can win our last 2, and that is all we can ask for...
They had the #8 defense nationally last year and the #5 defense in 2016.
Their defense isn't too good this year, which is why they'll likely lose to Michigan, who has the #1 defense.
It's particularly bad to give up over 500 total yards to a very one-dimensional team. Especially a team that can only run.
Diaco sucked because his scheme seemed completely flawed to me. Under Chinander, I’m seeing issues with execution. For that reason it’s important to give him time.
But any suggestion that we don’t care about having a stout defense is ridiculous.
But any suggestion that we don’t care about having a stout defense is ridiculous.
Who exactly is “willing to excuse it????” Some of us understand it in year 1 (and only Chin’s 3rd as a DC). Third year in a row with a different DC, and 4th in the last 5.
I’ve told and your grumpy get off my lawn attitude this before. You fail to or just flat out won’t.
You flat out have unrealistic expectations. You want keep using Alabama to Nebraska, when it took us 17 years to go from being the “Alabama of the time” to where we are now.
We had one of our highest rated LB recruits in years quit to go to....Oregon State????
You compare stats from the past and completely fail to account for how the game has changed. You selectively choose the stats you want to use to try to prove you ate the smartest guy in the room.
And again, you seem to have the utmost faith in Frost’s ability to make this offense great, yet you don’t trust HIS judgment on HIS choice for DC. I bet if he were a ex-Husker your tune would be different.
Nick Henrich, Jackson Hannah and Garrett Nelson.
We may have a run of defensive playmakers.
People keep comparing our first year defense to Alabama's who's been running the same or similar scheme for years. I wonder what Alabama's defense was ranked in year one under Saban? Also regardless Saban would have had a lot more talent to work with year one than Chin has.
GTFO idiot year one and this team is terrible? Geezus you and fans like you with ridiculous expectations. We have seen years upon years of bad football and year one with this staff you come up with that garbage. Fans like you a team would be better than having no fans at all....
I have heard that argument and it just doesn't wash. There are small differences in what coaches want but overall it comes down to getting off blocks, getting to the ball, making plays on the ball.and tackling. The schemes part of it gets you in position to do these things. It doesn't take a defensive genius to see we have serious problems on D. Keep waiting for the perfect players to come along, everyone is saying next year but really who is coming in our lineup who will.make the difference?
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You’re way off. There are huge differences from what you’re asking of each player in terms of not only scheme but technique, reads and strength and conditioning. We have talent issues but we also have busted assignments all over the place and guys not reading the offense correctly
I think it will be better. Heck it took a third of the season just to get the kids to buy in.
Exactly it doesn't take more than a year for good defensive coordinators to start turning around a defense. The fundamentals that every defense should have and are the first thing that should be worked on and improved are just piss poor right now. It doesn't take more than a year to learn how to tackle. It shouldn't take more than a year to have an idea what the heck you're supposed to be doing. It doesn't take more than a year to learn how to not get blown off the ball every play. We're incredibly bad at playing fundamental defense. These are all things that should already be worked out by fall camp of year 1. Yet these are still huge issues into the 10th game of the season. There is zero improvement from last year.
This is the first year that Bama has had this type of offense (thanks to Tua). This is like the Neb ‘95 season for them, both sides of the ball dominating. Teams like this come around once every 10 years.
We've had plenty of opportunities this year to get some speed on the field and the coaching staff chose not to. It appears they went with experience instead. But it doesn't help when even the experienced guys don't know what they're doing half the time and play poor fundamental football.
I have a feeling we are going to have plenty of Adrian Martinez type players come through here as long as Frost his here, so I wouldn't let that worry you. Hopefully it doesn't take 4 years to figure out the D side of things. I think if D is still struggling 2 years from now, things might need to change a bit.
Yeah I noticed that too. They were in the right spots, just weren't fast enough or strong enough to get the job done. Very rarely does our first guy bring the player down, it always takes additional guys and extra yardage to get them down.
You ask and you shall receive Year 1 Defense ranking under Saban was ranked 33rd in Total yards per game and 32nd in total PPG. However their D was pretty good the previous year, 20th in yards per game, and 27 in PPG. So if anything I guess that shows nothing really drastically changes year 1. We were horrible last year and are still horrible this year.
2003, But nice try...the 2002 defense only gave up +30 4 times...Bo in 2008 gave 34 ppg in his power 5 games...the 2002 defense was compared to some of the best teams we have ever had. They were average on both sides of the ball...if they had a dominant offense like the 90s they win 11 games again.
Zero improvement?
Charles Jackson looking like a legit B10 DB that teams are actually trying not to throw on disagrees with you.
Dicaprio Bootle about to have more pbu's this season than any db in Nebraska history disagrees with you.
6.0 ypp
8 fumble recoveries
10 interceptions
24 sacks
All of those being better than last season with a harder schedule and 3 fewer games thus far disagrees with you.
There is improvement there, but there are also major holes that will take more than one partial year of recruiting and training to fix.
Yes there are some players who've improved quite a bit, namely the cornerbacks and Mo Barry. But there are also players who've regressed, even from last year. Carlos Davis, Freedom, Gifford, and the safeties have all regressed from last year. We are about equal statistically with what we had last year on defense. If some players got better, that means some players must have gotten worse.
As Tom Herman would say, ""If we all thought that we were going to come in here and in nine months sprinkle some fairy dust on this team and think that we've arrived then we're wrong."