Things are a changing...

[davecisar]

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I was never a big fan of Riley and I wanted us to hire Frost. But the "we don't care about recruiting stars" and "we need to bring back the walk-on program" are the same talking points we heard from Pelini when he was hired. I guarantee you that Meyer, Saban, Dabo etc. care about recruiting stars. They're not dominating because of their great walk-on programs.

It's also crap to insinuate that we've sucked the last few years because Riley didn't consider the character of recruits. Riley brought in many high-character guys. Osborne brought in many guys with questionable character.

Osborne coached for 25 years here as head coach

Riley “ coached” here for 3

The 2 shouldn’t be mentioned. In the same sentence unless someone is tying to illustrate strong contrasts

Stars matter
Development matters
Walk ons matter

 

[RedMyMind]

Yeah, the mighty MR got 9 wins "once" in three tries (zero 10 win seasons).....the other two years for "5" wins.....and "4" wins. So competent & competitive!

No one is saying Bo was great.....just massively better than the Beaver clown.

I never was praising Riley's 9 win season.
It was just to show that 9 win seasons don't mean you are a good team.

And, yes, we still have ones still pimping Bo.

 

[davecisar]

I never was praising Riley's 9 win season.
It was just to show that 9 win seasons don't mean you are a good team.

And, yes, we still have ones still pimping Bo.

Especially when it is bracketed by a 5 win and barely 4 win team
Especially when that last season barely 4 win team is showcasing what you really want to run with the quarterback you want

 

[RedMyMind]

Especially when it is bracketed by a 5 win and barely 4 win team
Especially when that last season barely 4 win team is showcasing what you really want to run with the quarterback you want

That's all irrelevant to the fact that 9 win seasons are not a great accomplishment, especially when the team is unranked, like the last 3 9-win seasons.

2012- 25th
2013- unranked
2014- unranked
2016-unranked

 

[timnsun]

I, too, get tired of rehashing the past as its only value is to learn from it to try not to make similar mistakes. To get back to the original post, Davison and Frost are analyzing some of the culture in what was present when they started to be able to correct the negative aspects of the established culture to change it. That is all that is going on. There is no diabolical plot to undermine the previous staff's reputation or well being.

That is why they were hired to replace what was there. Davison was fulfilling an assignment given to him, I am sure, by the athletic department. He fulfilled it, probably, by answering several questions that were posed He did the assignment honestly, without malice of forethought and without an alterior motive. He was just reporting what he (at least thought) he heard from the horses mouth. What was so terrible about that.

As far as BP is concerned, he won some games, but when all was said and done, he wasn't going to improve much from what he had shown in 7 years, and, frankly, he wasn't worth keeping. Neither were BC or MR. As is obvious, they were not enhancing the brand and were, obviously, detrimental to it and they weren't going to (even potentially) get any better, or at least not anywhere near enough to be worth keeping.

SF on the other hand, has a lot of upside and potential to enhance the brand. In fact, he already has even if, god forbid, it is only temporary.

Yes, he is a favored son, but what in haddes is so bad about that. He will get more leeway, if, for nothing else, because the environment and culture need a big time rebuild from what it was just a few months ago.

Don't take it so personally, everyone, SF is the coach and that isn't going to change anytime soon. So, if fans are indeed fans, then get behind him and hope for the best. And I wonder what some critics think. If SF can't win at NU, then who do they think can?

Pretty sure I read that he was a last minute full in, as Moos’ flight was delayed... so it makes you wonder how prepared he was to share.

He certainly has the knowledge and the inside info... was he supposed to share the info in the fashion he presented it? Who knows?

I have no doubt that if anyone can get it turned around here, it is Frost. But just as we took a wait and see with previous coaches, I don’t have a problem with posters who are notnhitching their wagon to Frost just yet.

I believe all will get on board soon enough, given time.

 

[bshirt73]

I never was praising Riley's 9 win season.
It was just to show that 9 win seasons don't mean you are a good team.

And, yes, we still have ones still pimping Bo.

Well, I don't know anyone pimping Bo....if so, they're dead wrong. He came close a couple of times but no cigar. So, buh bye!

Yes, a 9 or 10 win season may not prove you're a "good" team but it's VERY likely to be much better than a 4 or 5 win team. That's all.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

Jeeesh.....it's not that brutally difficult to "get it" that 9 or 10 wins annually is better than 4 or 5 wins. I don't know of even one person who says Bo did a good job.....just a hell of a lot better than Clownahan or MR. Let me help you again....

a. Clownahan & MR.....combined seven years with FOUR losing seasons

b. Bo.....seven years with ZERO losing seasons

Maybe that helps?

You keep making the comparison between Bo and Cally/Riley.

My post was only about you and others talking about Bo as if he did a good job. It had nothing to do with Riley or Cally.

 

[RedMyMind]

Well, I don't know anyone pimping Bo....if so, they're dead wrong. He came close a couple of times but no cigar. So, buh bye!

Yes, a 9 or 10 win season may not prove you're a "good" team but it's VERY likely to be much better than a 4 or 5 win team. That's all.

Probably, but then again, 10 win Nebraska lost 70-31 to an unranked 7-6 Wisconsin team.

Actually I take that back. the 5-7 2015 team was much better than the 9-3 2016 team

 

[bshirt73]

You keep making the comparison between Bo and Cally/Riley.

My post was only about you and others talking about Bo as if he did a good job. It had nothing to do with Riley or Cally.

Well then you have me mixed up with someone else. I've never said he was great or did a "good job" except relative to Clownahan & MR.

Bo wasn't a bad HC but he couldn't break through to greatness. Which is what we want, need, and richly deserve. So, he's long gone.

 

[bshirt73]

Probably, but then again, 10 win Nebraska lost 70-31 to an unranked 7-6 Wisconsin team.

Oh Gawd....I don't even want to think of the monster sized losses the last three years. And all those losses to the snowflakes. Enough.

You win, ok?

 

[RedMyMind]

Oh Gawd....I don't even want to think of the monster sized losses the last three years. And all those losses to the snowflakes. Enough.

You win, ok?

2 years, but yeah, they were bad. Just more numerous than with Bo's easy schedules

 

[Harry Caray]

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Osborne coached for 25 years here as head coach

Riley “ coached” here for 3

The 2 shouldn’t be mentioned. In the same sentence unless someone is tying to illustrate strong contrasts

Stars matter
Development matters
Walk ons matter

I just find it a bit hypocritical of Davison claiming that the last staff didn't emphasize character in recruiting and cared more about stars, and insinuating that had to do with our struggles last year. Frost's hero Osborne recruited a lot of highly-rated recruits despite their character issues, because he wanted to win. Whereas I haven't seen many character issues with Riley's recruits.

Riley had a lot of faults as a coach, but character wasn't one of them. We didn't suck because of character issues or lack of walk-ons or players not doing enough squats. We sucked mostly because the last staff sucked at game preparation and making adjustments, and player development at certain positions. I hope and think Frost will be a huge upgrade in this area.

 

[bshirt73]

2 years, but yeah, they were bad. Just more numerous than with Bo's easy schedules

Well, thank God with next year's brutal schedule MR is long gone. He'd be lucky to rack up two wins.

Bo's "easy" schedules.....for seven years? Can't you think of a better BS excuse than that?

 

[RedMyMind]

Well, thank God with next year's brutal schedule MR is long gone. He'd be lucky to rack up two wins.

Bo's "easy" schedules.....for seven years? Can't you think of a better BS excuse than that?

easier schedules, especially his last two (2013/2014) at Nebraska.
Bo was blown out 3 times in 2012 alone.
Blown out twice in 2013.
Got Melvin Gordoned in 2014.

 

[dinglefritz]

Matt Davison needs to take some lessons from Tom on the beauty of understatement and veiled insight in to the football program. In other words, he needs to keep his mouth shut about some things. This message maybe needed to be sent but it didn't need to be sent to the public .

 

[Bill_Callahan2.0_rivals121792]

I don't like that he's publicly criticizing current players like this. It's fine to be honest with them face-to-face, but telling the media that "character wasn't looked at enough" and we need better players isn't going to help the current guys buy-in.

Go to the volleyball board then.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Again with the tinfoil conspiracy fantasy. Now I'm part of this imaginary group of me and my "like". Do you have a list of names??? Are there meetings?? Uniforms?? I knew that calling you out would cause a psycho response. Thanks for not letting me down.

You really are sad. Immediately with the attacks. It's what you do I guess nice posts. You sure proved me wrong! Lol

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Go to the volleyball board then.

Yeah.

 

[jolley]

I just find it a bit hypocritical of Davison claiming that the last staff didn't emphasize character in recruiting and cared more about stars, and insinuating that had to do with our struggles last year. Frost's hero Osborne recruited a lot of highly-rated recruits despite their character issues, because he wanted to win. Whereas I haven't seen many character issues with Riley's recruits.

Riley had a lot of faults as a coach, but character wasn't one of them. We didn't suck because of character issues or lack of walk-ons or players not doing enough squats. We sucked mostly because the last staff sucked at game preparation and making adjustments, and player development at certain positions. I hope and think Frost will be a huge upgrade in this area.

To be accurate, there were a couple of charges of cannibis (sp?) and charges of dui's but some of those weren't MR's RECRUITS per se, except the assistant coach and the one that left school. But no murders or rapes that we know about, thank heavens.

The insinuation, it seems to me was it takes the character to outwork everyone else, hold oneself and your team mates accountable to do so, and not just pay it lip service. I don't know if he is hypocritical, but I think he is critical (as in analytical) in trying to decipher reasons for the lack of toughness and concern about losing and poor performance.

Remember that Davison WAS part of a NC team and he has first hand knowledge of what kind of attitude and toughness it takes to win at a very high level, and he's not making it up. Hypocritical it seems to me would be if he had been part of a mediocre program and him being negative about a similar culture he may have been part of.

I think he's being more observational, not hypocritical.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Bo would still be coach if he was not a lunatic. His firing had nothing to do with wins and losses and it is likely his losses would have been closer had he not been a lunatic. His teams played like him...they were on and balanced when the opponent was overmatched. When the stress level rose and competition increase they went ape **** crazy and choked. We had some really good teams who couldn't handle success. Much like their coach.

 

[Wyldcard]

I just find it a bit hypocritical of Davison claiming that the last staff didn't emphasize character in recruiting and cared more about stars, and insinuating that had to do with our struggles last year. Frost's hero Osborne recruited a lot of highly-rated recruits despite their character issues, because he wanted to win. Whereas I haven't seen many character issues with Riley's recruits.

Riley had a lot of faults as a coach, but character wasn't one of them. We didn't suck because of character issues or lack of walk-ons or players not doing enough squats. We sucked mostly because the last staff sucked at game preparation and making adjustments, and player development at certain positions. I hope and think Frost will be a huge upgrade in this area.

I call BS! Osborne recruited what fit the system and pretty much mostly character as well. Sure we may have had a few bad apples but he recruited character and in his time, there were no stars as Osborne retired before Rivals and the star rankings even started. The Nebraska name alone under Osborne brought good talent to look our direction and then Osborne closed the deal.

 

[oldjar07]

Yes Frost has more leeway than others would have.

And? That's exactly what you guys wanted Riley to have was more leeway.

 

[oldjar07]

Frost has the shortest track record of all the coaches mentioned and will have more leeway than all mentioned.

With that said I would not expect Kelly or Herman’s to need the fans to make excuses before they have Conducted a practice

You don't think people would say Riley was a bad coach and the new coach needs time to install his system if we got a guy like Kelly instead of Frost?

 

[831mob]

I just find it a bit hypocritical of Davison claiming that the last staff didn't emphasize character in recruiting and cared more about stars, and insinuating that had to do with our struggles last year. Frost's hero Osborne recruited a lot of highly-rated recruits despite their character issues, because he wanted to win. Whereas I haven't seen many character issues with Riley's recruits.

Riley had a lot of faults as a coach, but character wasn't one of them. We didn't suck because of character issues or lack of walk-ons or players not doing enough squats. We sucked mostly because the last staff sucked at game preparation and making adjustments, and player development at certain positions. I hope and think Frost will be a huge upgrade in this area.

Guys with great character take jobs for 50k a year, lmao.

 

[73 Red I]

Tom never had to deal with the crap Scott inherited.

Tom recruited his own character problems

 

[RiLLLLLLLLey]

Good lord...im so glad to be rid of this soft rileyesque way of thinking

I was thinking the same thing.

That John Denver’s full of ****, man.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

I was never a big fan of Riley and I wanted us to hire Frost. But the "we don't care about recruiting stars" and "we need to bring back the walk-on program" are the same talking points we heard from Pelini when he was hired. I guarantee you that Meyer, Saban, Dabo etc. care about recruiting stars. They're not dominating because of their great walk-on programs.

It's also crap to insinuate that we've sucked the last few years because Riley didn't consider the character of recruits. Riley brought in many high-character guys. Osborne brought in many guys with questionable character.

His comments don’t mean anything close to Pelini’s about stars. Frost brought in more 4 stars than Riley and Pelini (with exception of 1 year), so comparing his quote to Pelini is not in the same ballpark.

As for character, JD Spielman comes to mind. In the later parts of games, he was competing hard when most the rest of the team packed it in. They are not looking for primidanas who due to their talent shined above the rest of their teammates, they are looking for talent that continually tries to improve themselves.

With the walk on‘s he’s talking about leadership. Those kids are going to have to give 110% every single second to have a chance to potentially earn a scholarship. That work ethic and extra effort is going to set an example for other teammates to follow.

It’s refreshing to see somebody who was not mesmerized by Mr. nice guy and actually examined the disfunction of his management and the product that was delivered. Davison is exactly right when he said the previous year produced nine wins, but you can see from the earlier games played that they were not anywhere close to the rankings they were getting prior to the blowout stretch.

Sorry - but I am more than ready to see the dude mentality play out versus the chick mentality we have witnessed the past three years.

 

[SnohomishRed]

I just find it a bit hypocritical of Davison claiming that the last staff didn't emphasize character in recruiting and cared more about stars, and insinuating that had to do with our struggles last year. Frost's hero Osborne recruited a lot of highly-rated recruits despite their character issues, because he wanted to win. Whereas I haven't seen many character issues with Riley's recruits.

Riley had a lot of faults as a coach, but character wasn't one of them. We didn't suck because of character issues or lack of walk-ons or players not doing enough squats. We sucked mostly because the last staff sucked at game preparation and making adjustments, and player development at certain positions. I hope and think Frost will be a huge upgrade in this area.

Well the high Character of Riley did not prevent him from taking a bogus salary at OSU and costing NU money that OSU should have been paying.
As a coach Riley just flat out sucked period is virtually every aspect. Recruiting was over sold, development was non-existent - S&C was sub par, playcalling, schemes, motivation

I can not find one redeeming quality of Riley as a head coach

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Well the high Character of Riley did not prevent him from taking a bogus salary at OSU and costing NU money that OSU should have been paying.
As a coach Riley just flat out sucked period is virtually every aspect. Recruiting was over sold, development was non-existent - S&C was sub par, playcalling, schemes, motivation

I can not find one redeeming quality of Riley as a head coach

ahh but you are forgetting press conference performance

 

[davecisar]

ahh but you are forgetting press conference performance

Yes
He had lots of practice at explaining mind numbing losses
When you do that for 30 years I’m guessing you get pretty darned good at it

 

[bshirt73]

Well the high Character of Riley did not prevent him from taking a bogus salary at OSU and costing NU money that OSU should have been paying.
As a coach Riley just flat out sucked period is virtually every aspect. Recruiting was over sold, development was non-existent - S&C was sub par, playcalling, schemes, motivation

I can not find one redeeming quality of Riley as a head coach

I can't either. SE was a blithering idiot of the highest order.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

You don't think people would say Riley was a bad coach and the new coach needs time to install his system if we got a guy like Kelly instead of Frost?

No I don’t think Kelly would get the same leeway that Frost is getting.

 

[spinner4_rivals42045]

Yes Frost has more leeway than others would have.

And he should. Not implying you do not believe he should. Your statement was not clear on if you believed he should or not.
Scott has
-coached a perfect season
-coached in the playoff title game as OC
-coached a Heisman trophy winner as OC
-Won a title as a player (and not one that was prematurely awarded) ... And at the school he's coaching to boot
-Is loved by the fans. (Fans happiness is the most important thing IMO)

There is not many coaches who have that on their resume. And it's unlikely NU could land another one that has those types of things. Having experience as a head coach for a long time can mean nothing. Sean McVay did something in his first year as coach of the Rams that Jeff Fisher could never come close to. (winning the NFC West). And it doesn't take life experience to be good at something. Some people are just better than others.

 

[mgbreeze]

You really are sad. Immediately with the attacks. It's what you do I guess nice posts. You sure proved me wrong! Lol

This is what we call coming full circle, it's rich to see you whining about being attacked. Let me remind you of the "nice post" you started off with on this topic:

Propaganda machine in full effect. Had the last staff done this, the same people praising it ITT would be screaming mad. Hilarious

When you stop attacking people maybe you will stop reaping what you sow.

 

[jimbosc]

I just find it a bit hypocritical of Davison claiming that the last staff didn't emphasize character in recruiting and cared more about stars, and insinuating that had to do with our struggles last year. Frost's hero Osborne recruited a lot of highly-rated recruits despite their character issues, because he wanted to win. Whereas I haven't seen many character issues with Riley's recruits.

Riley had a lot of faults as a coach, but character wasn't one of them. We didn't suck because of character issues or lack of walk-ons or players not doing enough squats. We sucked mostly because the last staff sucked at game preparation and making adjustments, and player development at certain positions. I hope and think Frost will be a huge upgrade in this area.

You are thinking of character meaning being a good citizen. That is not what MD is talking about. T.O. had some sketchy dudes on his teams - but that had more to do with their home situation than being a born criminal or whatever you are implying. MD means guys that want to work, win and play ever down. That is character too - and that is what he is talking about. Leadership from players has been an issue since Solich.....Frost expects to find and develop leaders from the team. It is one of those things Callaclown and Riley didn't really understand - and that Pelini didn't care about (felt HE was the only leader we needed).

 

[Harry Caray]

Which of the players Riley recruited don't work hard and don't want to win? Seems like most of the primadonnas the last few years were Pelini recruits that didn't buy in to the new staff. Last year it was mostly the young Riley recruits like Spielman and Stille and Boe Wilson and Jaylin Bradley that played their asses off.

Many of the young guys should have played more and I blamed the coaches for that. Riley's problem wasn't that he didn't recruit hard-working kids, it's that he didn't play them more over upperclassmen that weren't producing.

 

[1NebrFan]

Which of the players Riley recruited don't work hard and don't want to win? Seems like most of the primadonnas the last few years were Pelini recruits that didn't buy in to the new staff. Last year it was mostly the young Riley recruits like Spielman and Stille and Boe Wilson and Jaylin Bradley that played their asses off.

Many of the young guys should have played more and I blamed the coaches for that. Riley's problem wasn't that he didn't recruit hard-working kids, it's that he didn't play them more over upperclassmen that weren't producing.

The problem with Riley was.....he just wasn't a very good coach.....period.

 

[bshirt73]

The problem with Riley was.....he just wasn't a very good coach.....period.

Exactly.

 

[Mack In Motion]

Riley's problem wasn't that he didn't recruit hard-working kids, it's that he didn't play them more over upperclassmen that weren't producing.

He was a carpetbagger here for a few years. Of course he wasn’t overly concerned with developing the program.

 

[inWV]

He was a carpetbagger here for a few years. Of course he wasn’t overly concerned with developing the program.

Carpetbagger=trigger word, but I think it is fair to say he took the job on a lark when it appeared his seat was about to get warm in Corvallis. The guys he brought with him were no great shakes and the Diaco experiment was a bust.
Eichorst's plan was to fire Pelini. That was as far as it got in terms of a plan.