They've come after Stephen D. Lee.

[MagicDawg]

Welp. Here we go.

I have friends who are supporting this. I do not.

https://www.change.org/p/mississipp...l-statue-23c23df3-9a96-443f-81bf-9a8026dcf523

 

[msstate7]

Better rename Yale

https://www.theblaze.com/news/cance...utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=fb-glennbeck

 

[mstateglfr]

I would say that in general, it is difficult to defend honoring and memorializing slave owners or slave traders.
Whether that means all statues come down of those who were complicit, Im not sure.


I will say that to be memorialized in statue, you should be pretty 17ing great in life. It should be a damn high bar.

 

[WilCoDawg]

Who would have a statue then? Especially not our Founding Fathers. But I was called stupid for making that slippery slope claim.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

I would say that in general, it is difficult to defend honoring and memorializing slave owners or slave traders.
Whether that means all statues come down of those who were complicit, Im not sure.


I will say that to be memorialized in statue, you should be pretty 17ing great in life. It should be a damn high bar.

So to receive that high honor one needs to be Jesus? I agree that Jesus is the ONLY one who earned that Bar you speak of.

But Wow! Tough crowd around here.

 

[msugrad2003]

Also, maybe research Alcorn State University.
what about Andrew Jackson? Do we change the name of the capitol city and JSU?

 

[rynodawg]

A change.org petition means zilch, and doesn’t mean that a substantial number of people care. Would rather focus on the obvious dumpster fire of a flag directly harming MSU at the moment.

 

[HD6]

Jesus would have told you idolizing him in that manner was sinful.

 

[Shamoan]

General Grant owned a slave...does he deserve to be memorialized?

 

[patdog]

He was given the slave by his father-in-law. He set the slave free before the war.

 

[mstateglfr]

Who would have a statue then? Especially not our Founding Fathers. But I was called stupid for making that slippery slope claim.

Yeah, its a tough bar to reach now that we as a society are expecting those memorialized to have been good in current context.
Im not sure where we go from here, but I guess not honoring people who literally owned other humans as possessions is a start.
Perhaps we will eventually come to an acceptance that most people are flawed and start erecting monuments and statues of the influential ones...or perhaps we will have less memorializing as a whole.

So to receive that high honor one needs to be Jesus? I agree that Jesus is the ONLY one who earned that Bar you speak of.

But Wow! Tough crowd around here.

I didnt say Jesus is the only one that can clear the bar. I didnt even suggest that. I also didnt set specifics as it relates to a bar. Dont agree with me when I didnt say what you claim I said, thats too typical of you- do better.

I simply said you need to be pretty 17ing great in life to be memorialized as a statue(or really have things named after you). I want it to be a high bar in order for it to have meaning.

Maybe dont have a county that is the full name of a treasonous president.
Maybe dont name schools after slave owners.
Maybe dont erect statues in the town square of people who fought for the preservation of slavery.
etc etc etc.

Memorializing should be a high bar and in reality it is an incredibly low bar.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Jesus would have told you idolizing him in that manner was sinful.

Yeah, something about no graven images somewhere in there, if I recall.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

I would say that in general, it is difficult to defend honoring and memorializing slave owners or slave traders.
Whether that means all statues come down of those who were complicit, Im not sure.


I will say that to be memorialized in statue, you should be pretty 17ing great in life. It should be a damn high bar.

What if you were working to abolish slavery for 30 years before the emancipation proclamation? Would you say that's a high enough bar?

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[Shamoan]

set free after about a year of slavery with Grant as his "master"....my point is that where do you draw the line? its never enough for a certain aspect of our society. to some, if he owned a slave, he is therefore irredeemable despite everything else he did in his life that would contradict that point.

 

[MSUDC11]

I agree that you shouldn’t honor people for their contributions to slavery or the confederacy. However, I don’t believe we are honoring Lee for that specific reason, it’s more about his role as the first President of the university.

There’s some gray area there but I’ve never viewed it as MSU memorializing Lee as a confederate war hero.

 

[WilCoDawg]

How convenient of the timing. What’s odd is that freeing slaves wasn’t really important to anyone as much as keeping the South as part of the US.

 

[Bcash2]

What? What does Jesus have to do with anything?

 

[mstateglfr]

What if you were working to abolish slavery for 30 years before the emancipation proclamation? Would you say that's a high enough bar?

The rest of one's life would also need to be taken into account, but if the rest of it is good, then yeah sure- statue the guy all you want.

I get where you are going with the picture. Some people arent smart.

 

[AlCoDog]

Anybody that touches Will or Raffy is dead meat.

 

[LandsurveyorDawg]

This University is a joke.

 

[L4Dawg]

General Grant owned a slave...does he deserve to be memorialized?

Grant had one slave, who was given to him. He freed him after one year. He then went on to win the war that freed the slaves and preserved the Union. Yes he deserves tI be memorialized.

 

[Shamoan]

why didnt he free him immediately? was he giving the slave owner life a 1 year test drive?

 

[L4Dawg]

why didnt he free him immediately? was he giving the slave owner life a 1 year test drive?

I suppose freeing ALL the slaves a few years later doesn't count. You are just trolling.

 

[Shamoan]

im just asking questions and pointing out that for some, its never enough. if you believe that in this society, as soon as the masses learn that fact, its over for everything Grant. They are defacing abolitionists monuments for heaven sake.

 

[L4Dawg]

im just asking questions and pointing out that for some, its never enough. if you believe that in this society, as soon as the masses learn that fact, its over for everything Grant. They are defacing abolitionists monuments for heaven sake.

And they are hurting their cause by doing so. That is nothing more than blind wanton destruction for destruction's sake.

 

[paindonthurt_]

And they destroyed his statue.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Is there a country or culture in the history of civilization who didn’t own slaves at some point or in some form?

Is it time to take down the pyramids?

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

Nm.

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[KeyserSoze1999]

Take down the Great Wall of China as well, all slave labor built some of their bodies entombed in the wall itself.

 

[Shamoan]

I don’t disagree, but Grant being a slave owner is problematic and will undoubtedly be a target for these groups

 

[Junction John]

Did y'all miss it yesterday? The mob was ahead of you on this. They already tore down a Grant statue in San Fran or somewhere on that coast.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Yep, and Cookie Monster is dead nuts on in this thread.
This is why the grave of Moses was kept unknown. Veneration belongs not to man, but to another; and, ironically, vengeance is not our either.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

He inherited a slave from his father in law and set him free a few months later. Grant appointed numerous African Americans to positions while in office and had KKK members prosecuted for all sorts of crimes. To be angry at Grant is one of the dumbest 17ing things so far.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Ok, Judge Glfr, since your distaste of the "whataboutism" has subsided, and you wish to delve into the other circumstances of one's life, I'll bite. Hell, it's all low hanging fruit anymore.
Let's say he worked for 30 years toward emancipation, but he raped a number of newly freed women, sired countless fatherless children, was a drunk, card cheating, bootlegging womanizer known more for his temper and his Jeffrey Epstein-esque lifestyle. Statue stay up?

This is the ridiculous slope we're on.

 

[Bucky Dog]

So every founding father, most of our first 30 presidents, or basically anyone before 1900 should be erased from history? Let’s burn the constitution while we are at it since slave owners wrote it.

Come in guys, the madness needs to stop.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

GO Fish,

Or Go to HELL!

This will be my last post for awhile.

 

[mstateglfr]

Ok, Judge Glfr, since your distaste of the "whataboutism" has subsided, and you wish to delve into the other circumstances of one's life, I'll bite. Hell, it's all low hanging fruit anymore.
Let's say he worked for 30 years toward emancipation, but he raped a number of newly freed women, sired countless fatherless children, was a drunk, card cheating, bootlegging womanizer known more for his temper and his Jeffrey Epstein-esque lifestyle. Statue stay up?

This is the ridiculous slope we're on.

Why would we pay homage to someone who raped numerous women?
Not sure who this is(I assume this is a real person), but yeah I would be fine with not honoring someone who raped numerous people.
Whether you can get a group to get on board and retroactively tarnish his name will probably be a tough sled to pull.

 

[Imadick]

This has more to do with destroying our history so that when the country gets destroyed there will a clean slate.