"They Hate Each Other."

hawkin

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Coach rat was dead in the water until USA basketball saved his ***. The next in line to abuse the opportunity is Sean Miller at Arizona. The ability to coach an interact with the very best top high school ballers in the country is a huge advantage.
 

UKUGA

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You know it and I know it, people hate duke and coach K because they win. It's no different than all the other programs and their fans that hate UK and Cal. Only Cal isn't thought of as high and mighty, K is.
You're puffing your chest out at me because I gave my insight based on how I see it. God forbid someone has an opinion that differs from yours.

No.

The dislike is centered in the combination of K's unfettered nastiness that isn't touched by the media, the media slurp fest of the Duke program, and the blatant bias shown in the draws Duke consistently receives in the tourney, and the corrupt refs that have handed them multiple national titles.
 

kyjeff1

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Here's how I picture your day going in this thread. You're hanging in there though!

Actually it's been the other way around. I expected to be attacked, but so far I've only seen resistance from a couple. But I've received a lot of likes so I think there are many that agree with my take.
Some people just can't accept that there is an opinion that differs from theirs.
 
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kyjeff1

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No.

The dislike is centered in the combination of K's unfettered nastiness that isn't touched by the media, the media slurp fest of the Duke program, and the blatant bias shown in the draws Duke consistently receives in the tourney, and the corrupt refs that have handed them multiple national titles.
Soooo you hate coach K because he gets respect and good draws in the NCAAT? Why? Sounds like jealousy to me but I'll let you explain.
 

kyjeff1

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I'd be willing to cede the best player in the country every year to Coach K if the refs would simply start calling Duke games fairly. Far as I'm concerned at least two of his five titles came via the referees whistle, not to mention the easy path set up for him by the NCAA.
Actually, I would love to sit down with something bunch of refs and watch a few games and have the right to ask some questions to get their take on what we are seeing. There are at least 10 games from last year where UK got shafted by bad, one sided calls all game long.
One of the things I would love to ask sbout would be the flopping that is so obvious yet they fall for it every time.
But the one that burns me is this crap where a guard can jump into a defending big man that is standing there and the foul is on the defender? What could you possibly be seeing to call it that way?
But yes, I will agree that duke gets a favorable whistle, home and away. THAT needs to change.
 
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Jkwo_rivals113955

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But it's not K's fault that he's respected.
As far as Roy Williams, he's fighting for his program. I think the program is as dirty as there has ever been but it didn't start with him and he's fighting for his school. I only hope that any UK coach that is ever in Roy's position fights for the program.
I agree regarding K.

Disagree regarding Roy. If that happened at UK, I'd want the program way out ahead of it, loudly proclaiming that it's unacceptable and self imposing harsh punishments and laying people off with gusto.

"Fighting for the program" the way Roy is doing it is fighting to dodge punishments that you clearly deserve.
 
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Actually it's been the other way around. I expected to be attacked, but so far I've only seen resistance from a couple. But I've received a lot of likes so I think there are many that agree with my take.
Some people just can't accept that there is an opinion that differs from theirs.

Wah, wah, wah. Get off your freakin' high horse already. Nobody said you couldn't believe what you want. Martyr complex much?
 
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.S&C.

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The main issue people have with coach K is his annoying presence in the game. I've got very little respect for coach K, much in the same that I don't respect Dean Smith and what he did to the game. Coach K plays a chicken **** style of basketball, goes unchecked, and lives off of team USA which is totally an unfair advantage. There's nothing to admire about the guy.

Winning makes it worse. If he didn't win no one would care and he would have been fired in the 80's. It just goes without saying. But That's not the crux of the issue when talking about coach K and the fantasy the NCAA tries to help usher as genuine.
 
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kyjeff1

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Wah, wah, wah. Get off your freakin' high horse already. Nobody said you couldn't believe what you want. Martyr complex much?
LMAO, you can't take it can you? Hilarious. Get off my high horse? LOL, but you don't have your chest puffed out huh? You continue to get worked up over this. It's pretty funny to watch.
 

Blueaz

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That's not the only criterion for whether or not someone has class.

- Teaches players to flop on charges and 3 pt shots
- Laettner stomp
- Henderson's elbow to Hansborough's grill
- Allen's serial tripping
- Thomas's 100K jewelry
- Turning into the very thing he complained about with Dean Smith
- Upbraiding an opposing player in handshake line, then lying about it
- Pretending to be straight-laced goody two-shoe and having same foul mouth as most coaches (learned from the best)

Is he a monster? Hell no, and he's far from the worst, but I've had my fill of his personae as choir boy and Mr. Class. Spare me.
if you have to list the issues with the University of Duke's coach; for the "K is a great guy" crowd...they don't know college ball; or just have there heads in the sand
 
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musrat59

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Flopping is one part of Basketball that I really detest and Coach K teaches this and it is basically cheating.
 

EvilMD

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What was the game last year that Duke won where the Allen kid walked before flipping the ball in the basket on a miracle shot? Seems like Duke gets at least one of those every year.

If you want to hear how bad it is with Duke, hang around Carolina fans. They know every Duke misstep the same way Louisville fans know ours.
 

Random UK Fan

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I'd be willing to cede the best player in the country every year to Coach K if the refs would simply start calling Duke games fairly. Far as I'm concerned at least two of his five titles came via the referees whistle, not to mention the easy path set up for him by the NCAA.
I'd second this.
 
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What was the game last year that Duke won where the Allen kid walked before flipping the ball in the basket on a miracle shot? Seems like Duke gets at least one of those every year.

If you want to hear how bad it is with Duke, hang around Carolina fans. They know every Duke misstep the same way Louisville fans know ours.

That call was incorrect, but it hard to tell that his foot hit first in real time. They could have went to the video though. Far worse was Allen's trip right in front of the ref, which wasn't even called.
 
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I've said it for the last few seasons, that its ******** that K coaches USA Basketball. Its unfair , but some on this board told me to quit whining. Its funny to me , after losing players to Duke, I don't hear that as much now. Its amazing Cal does as well as he does. Screw Duke, screw K, and screw ESPN.
 

.S&C.

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I've said it for the last few seasons, that its ******** that K coaches USA Basketball. Its unfair , but some on this board told me to quit whining. Its funny to me , after losing players to Duke, I don't hear that as much now. Its amazing Cal does as well as he does. Screw Duke, screw K, and screw ESPN.

I have always maintained USA basketball should cycle coaches. It is a totally unfair advantage that should be seen as some sort of benefit. I don't have a clue why so many on this board thought/thinks it's OK. When Dean Smith says it's not ethical for one man to hold that seat, it's all you need to know. He gave it up 100% on his own.
 
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I have always maintained USA basketball should cycle coaches. It is a totally unfair advantage that should be seen as some sort of benefit. I don't have a clue why so many on this board thought/thinks it's OK. When Dean Smith says it's not ethical for one man to hold that seat, it's all you need to know. He gave it up 100% on his own.
I agree. My thing is, if we send pros to play , then send a pro coach. Take away the conflict. Its simple.
 
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.S&C.

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I agree. My thing is, if we send pros to play , then send a pro coach. Take away the conflict. Its simple.

I'd just have a list of qualified candidates that meet whatever criteria they want, and cycle them. 4 years for NBA coaches and 2 years for NCAA coaches. I don't think they'd even consider not allowing college coaches. At least cut it down and stop it from becoming a recruiting platform.
 

Geoff4jc

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Guys hear me out. Grew up in Kentucky as a Duke fan. I cheered for the wildcats as long as they were not playing Duke. It was hard to go to school the next week after Laettner hit the shot. I have nothing but respect for y'alls program and have attended far more uk games than any other teams games. With that's said, I lived outside of Raleigh for about 5 years and got to meet coach k. Here's my take: he is hard nosed, hates to lose, hates for the game to be disrespected, does not appreciate being disrespected, is not going to be "loved" by his players but will go to war on their behalf, and off the court he is a genuinely nice guy who does a lot for charity like many other coaches do. He does have a pretty foul mouth at times I will admit. The same way people think calipari is a slime people perceive that about K. I for one don't think either are bad guys nor slime balls. Just coaches who are trying to win.
 

*dezyDECO*

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I've said it for the last few seasons, that its ******** that K coaches USA Basketball. Its unfair , but some on this board told me to quit whining. Its funny to me , after losing players to Duke, I don't hear that as much now. Its amazing Cal does as well as he does. Screw Duke, screw K, and screw ESPN.


I believe it.

Similarly, there's the advantageous exposure that comes with all of the dook-related commercials. But it seems like there are plenty of Krybabyschitzki-slurpers around here that don't mind that, either.
 
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Guys hear me out. Grew up in Kentucky as a Duke fan. I cheered for the wildcats as long as they were not playing Duke. It was hard to go to school the next week after Laettner hit the shot. I have nothing but respect for y'alls program and have attended far more uk games than any other teams games. With that's said, I lived outside of Raleigh for about 5 years and got to meet coach k. Here's my take: he is hard nosed, hates to lose, hates for the game to be disrespected, does not appreciate being disrespected, is not going to be "loved" by his players but will go to war on their behalf, and off the court he is a genuinely nice guy who does a lot for charity like many other coaches do. He does have a pretty foul mouth at times I will admit. The same way people think calipari is a slime people perceive that about K. I for one don't think either are bad guys nor slime balls. Just coaches who are trying to win.

Don't know where you are getting that many UK fans think he is slime. Just sick of media folk acting like he is better than anyone else. In a non-coaching sense.
 

.S&C.

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Guys hear me out. Grew up in Kentucky as a Duke fan. I cheered for the wildcats as long as they were not playing Duke. It was hard to go to school the next week after Laettner hit the shot. I have nothing but respect for y'alls program and have attended far more uk games than any other teams games. With that's said, I lived outside of Raleigh for about 5 years and got to meet coach k. Here's my take: he is hard nosed, hates to lose, hates for the game to be disrespected, does not appreciate being disrespected, is not going to be "loved" by his players but will go to war on their behalf, and off the court he is a genuinely nice guy who does a lot for charity like many other coaches do. He does have a pretty foul mouth at times I will admit. The same way people think calipari is a slime people perceive that about K. I for one don't think either are bad guys nor slime balls. Just coaches who are trying to win.

Lost me on the second sentence.
 
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That is the best post I have ever read on any message board, and I mean it.
Please don't take offense to this, but considering this is your first post ever here, that doesn't put a whole lot of weight behind your sentiment. [laughing][laughing]
 
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Rupp'sRunt

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The thing about Coach k is that he gets caught openly lying about things ( oregon player situation, Brooks I believe) and people act like it doesn't matter bc he's coached so long. He also said he feels betrayed when his players don't stay at least 3 years. Cal starts winning with OAD what does K do? Copy. Where's the media critiquing him? There is none. Idk why, I guess UNC and Duke grads sling S*** privately to each other but never openly in the media. I seriously hate this guy.
 

catdance

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Sorry I just don't get it. I have no problem with coach K and I'm glad he is doing what he is doing. It's one less program and fan base that can take shots at UK's system because they're doing the same thing. There are a ton of idiots that have changed their stance on the OAD since K started doing it. It's tough to criticize Cal and UK when you're idol is doing the same thing.
I learned my lesson in 09, I was wrong about Cal. I'll admit it, I thought he was crooked but that's because I didn't know the true facts and I never bothered to even take a peak at the good things he did until he came here. Now I fully respect the guy.
So many UK fans act like they hate K, someone they never even met, but deep down inside you know you would be all over his jock if he did for UK what he has done for Duke. 5 national titles is an awesome achievement. So the guy has made some mistakes, so what. Lets see how you fare under a microscope where everyone can see your every move.
I just don't get the hate that so many on this board have. I get Tom Crean, he seems to be a creep but we are supposed to hate K for some reason, probably because he wins and that's natural to do I think. But we hate it when opposing fans attack Cal's character.

Aaaaaand we are supposed to hate Roy Williams because he is defending himself and his program. He's more pathetic than villain to me but whatever.
Who else are we supposed to hate? Lets make a list so we can all keep track.
Coach K is a fraud. You've just bought in to the ESPN bullcrap. Nobody said a word when he was losing to Lehigh and Mercer with a team full of McDAA.
 

catdance

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Actually it's been the other way around. I expected to be attacked, but so far I've only seen resistance from a couple. But I've received a lot of likes so I think there are many that agree with my take.
Some people just can't accept that there is an opinion that differs from theirs.
You should post on their board, you'd be much better received. Buy the ESPN hype. In today's environment, you believe everything he's done is above boards? I've got some bridges in NY I need to sell.
 

Geoff4jc

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Please don't take offense to this, but considering this is your first post ever here, that doesn't put a whole lot of weight behind your sentiment. [laughing][laughing]

Well it's not the first time I've posted on y'alls board just the first time with this handle but I get you. Funny thing is I grew up when Pelphrey, Feldhaus, Farmer and crew were tearing it up. Played basketball at Monticello and wore Jamal mashburns number. I was a small kid the first time I saw Rex chapman play when he played for the big blue. My dad being a huge uk fan would take me to many games. I have a signed basketball from Pitino that he signed his last season as head coach. As I said earlier I've got no problem with y'all or y'alls program. Greatest program historically. I love basketball and enjoy good basketball conversation.
 

26MichaelUK

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The thing about Coach k is that he gets caught openly lying about things ( oregon player situation, Brooks I believe) and people act like it doesn't matter bc he's coached so long. He also said he feels betrayed when his players don't stay at least 3 years. Cal starts winning with OAD what does K do? Copy. Where's the media critiquing him? There is none. Idk why, I guess UNC and Duke grads sling S*** privately to each other but never openly in the media. I seriously hate this guy.
Not only did the media not critique him, he was UNIVERSALLY praised in the media for "adapting" to today's game with one and dones. It was disgusting.Even Cal made reference to this by saying the one and done method has be "cleansed" by K.

I'm sorry, I don't find it "classy" for an opposing coach to jump on our radio immediately after the most heartbreaking loss in our history. I don't find it classy making sure to wait till the TV cameras were ready to follow him into the mercer locker room after and make it all about him instead of those kids from Mercer. There are too many "classy" things to list. Its unbelievable to me we have UK fans who have bought into the K myths and are now defending him to us. I expect that from Duke fans. And no, its not the winning that pisses most of us off. Its the **** he gets away with while great men like Cal are bashed.
 

catdance

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Well it's not the first time I've posted on y'alls board just the first time with this handle but I get you. Funny thing is I grew up when Pelphrey, Feldhaus, Farmer and crew were tearing it up. Played basketball at Monticello and wore Jamal mashburns number. I was a small kid the first time I saw Rex chapman play when he played for the big blue. My dad being a huge uk fan would take me to many games. I have a signed basketball from Pitino that he signed his last season as head coach. As I said earlier I've got no problem with y'all or y'alls program. Greatest program historically. I love basketball and enjoy good basketball conversation.
You should have been a good son and been a UK fan, You are probably breaking the old man's heart. By the way, give that Pitino ball a good kick over the fence.
 
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kyjeff1

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Coach K is a fraud. You've just bought in to the ESPN bullcrap. Nobody said a word when he was losing to Lehigh and Mercer with a team full of McDAA.
Nobody said a word after Duke lost to Lehigh and Mercer???
What'd you do, turn your TV off right after those games were over?
That's a childish thing to complain about. What are you 12?
 

kyjeff1

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You should post on their board, you'd be much better received. Buy the ESPN hype. In today's environment, you believe everything he's done is above boards? I've got some bridges in NY I need to sell.
LOL, who are you? Sorry but you post. Like a child.
Nobody is saying coach K is perfect. I don't know where you got that.
Now go finish 6th grade and post when you learn how to debate like an adult.
 

TrustinCal

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People hate Duke because they get preferential treatment. The NCAA is a shady organization and it benefits when Duke does well because to the casual fan Duke is a good school and their players are usually 'classy'. But reality is they bend the rules more than anyone else, have thugs like Okafor go there and have a persecution complex that they cry about all the time which only highlights their lack of self awareness. Coach K crying about ESPN reporting on their failures and not thinking coaching Team USA is not a benefit is just major laughs.
 
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catdance

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LOL, who are you? Sorry but you post. Like a child.
Nobody is saying coach K is perfect. I don't know where you got that.
Now go finish 6th grade and post when you learn how to debate like an adult.
What is there to debate? You love Coach K and believe every word ESPN says about him. End of discussion.
 

UKUGA

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Soooo you hate coach K because he gets respect and good draws in the NCAAT? Why? Sounds like jealousy to me but I'll let you explain.

Never said I "hated" coach K. I view him about like I view you.

And no, I'm not "jealous" of someone getting a good draw. What I dislike is corruption; manipulation of the draw to aid a specific team.

I'm also not jealous of someone who exhibits intellectual dishonesty. I just don't care for it.
 

kyjeff1

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What is there to debate? You love Coach K and believe every word ESPN says about him. End of discussion.
This post further reinforces my previous post in which I figured out that you are a child. Have a nice recess today Timmy.