"They Hate Each Other."
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Coach K unfortunately has beat us more than we have him of late, as they got the Championship that I thought we were going to get and then slid Bolden away from us in a hotly contested race plus 2-1 in Championships since Cal got here, it does make him hard to like. The worst of it is he adapted to Cals game and seems to have the mastered that pretty fast after being depicted as the one who does things in the right way and Cal being depicted as godfather of OADS its just a bitter pill altogether.
I used to be a fan of Coach K. The way he acted after beating us in 92 and then showing the same amount of class in defeat in 98, I thought he was genuine. But I have a lifelong friend who is a UNC fan, and he has been working on me non-stop and I'm starting to come around. He says it's all an act and behind the scenes he's a phony POS who throws tantrums when things don't go his way. He also claims that Duke is shadier than anybody but they get away with it because they're a private university.
Overall, Kentucky has had better teams and players than Duke since Cal got to Lexington -- five teams good enough to reach the Elite Eight and four to the Final Four compared to two for Duke. Duke closed out one more run.
Give me the guy who is 12 years younger every time. When K was Cal's age, Keith Bogans was fresh out of Kentucky and Rajon Rondo was in high school. The Cats have all that basketball ahead, if Cal stays healthy and motivated, which I believe he will.
Give me the guy who is 12 years younger every time. When K was Cal's age, Keith Bogans was fresh out of Kentucky and Rajon Rondo was in high school. The Cats have all that basketball ahead, if Cal stays healthy and motivated, which I believe he will.
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It's similar for me, Early on, he was a gracious winner and loser, at least publicly, but recently, he has adopted the undeniable OAD ways they had previously admonished, done pretty well with it and have started to become almost deplorable with the tweet and gloating over what they considered a shady no-no a few years ago. Class has to endure to be remembered as classy. Now . . . it just comes across as hypocritical and their entire fanbase has done a complete 180 with the mimicry.
I've always despised rat face. Nuff said.
Just last year there were two incidents that show what an *** K has become. After the Indiana/Duke game an IU player made contact with him on the way off the floor. K raised a big stink about it. WTF? No one shall touch his highness, I guess. Then the thing with the Oregon player in the handshake line.
I love how the media moves the goalposts to give some coaches the benefit of the doubt and criticize others. Coach Cal's NCAA record at UK is 23-5. That's infinitely better than Tubby and on par with Pitino at UK (and Pitino had two years to get the ball rolling before he got into the NCAA). But now Bozich is saying Cal is overrated because he's won just one title with all the talent he's had. Hey Ballzich, Cal has one title because all that talent leaves after one year, you complete moron. And Cal doesn't lose in the first round like K has. He has ONE loss in six tournaments at UK before the Elite Eight. Think about that. And that's because the NCAA saw fit to put a three seed as our five.
I love how the media moves the goalposts to give some coaches the benefit of the doubt and criticize others. Coach Cal's NCAA record at UK is 23-5. That's infinitely better than Tubby and on par with Pitino at UK (and Pitino had two years to get the ball rolling before he got into the NCAA). But now Bozich is saying Cal is overrated because he's won just one title with all the talent he's had. Hey Ballzich, Cal has one title because all that talent leaves after one year, you complete moron. And Cal doesn't lose in the first round like K has. He has ONE loss in six tournaments at UK before the Elite Eight. Think about that. And that's because the NCAA saw fit to put a three seed as our five.
K is a fraud. Hand picked in 1980 by the NCAA as the person they were going to promote as the next John Wooden.
Given free reign to cheat, have advantageous media coverage, biased reffing, and blatant favorable tourney seeding. I give zero respect for the NCAA's puppet. None of his accomplishments are earned.
Given free reign to cheat, have advantageous media coverage, biased reffing, and blatant favorable tourney seeding. I give zero respect for the NCAA's puppet. None of his accomplishments are earned.
Just like the US over throwing Iran's gov't in 1952 and placing in a US shadow puppet.
K is an awful human being and frankly I wish nothing but the worst for that given-privileged rat.
K is an awful human being and frankly I wish nothing but the worst for that given-privileged rat.
Sorry I just don't get it. I have no problem with coach K and I'm glad he is doing what he is doing. It's one less program and fan base that can take shots at UK's system because they're doing the same thing. There are a ton of idiots that have changed their stance on the OAD since K started doing it. It's tough to criticize Cal and UK when you're idol is doing the same thing.
I learned my lesson in 09, I was wrong about Cal. I'll admit it, I thought he was crooked but that's because I didn't know the true facts and I never bothered to even take a peak at the good things he did until he came here. Now I fully respect the guy.
So many UK fans act like they hate K, someone they never even met, but deep down inside you know you would be all over his jock if he did for UK what he has done for Duke. 5 national titles is an awesome achievement. So the guy has made some mistakes, so what. Lets see how you fare under a microscope where everyone can see your every move.
I just don't get the hate that so many on this board have. I get Tom Crean, he seems to be a creep but we are supposed to hate K for some reason, probably because he wins and that's natural to do I think. But we hate it when opposing fans attack Cal's character.
Aaaaaand we are supposed to hate Roy Williams because he is defending himself and his program. He's more pathetic than villain to me but whatever.
Who else are we supposed to hate? Lets make a list so we can all keep track.
I learned my lesson in 09, I was wrong about Cal. I'll admit it, I thought he was crooked but that's because I didn't know the true facts and I never bothered to even take a peak at the good things he did until he came here. Now I fully respect the guy.
So many UK fans act like they hate K, someone they never even met, but deep down inside you know you would be all over his jock if he did for UK what he has done for Duke. 5 national titles is an awesome achievement. So the guy has made some mistakes, so what. Lets see how you fare under a microscope where everyone can see your every move.
I just don't get the hate that so many on this board have. I get Tom Crean, he seems to be a creep but we are supposed to hate K for some reason, probably because he wins and that's natural to do I think. But we hate it when opposing fans attack Cal's character.
Aaaaaand we are supposed to hate Roy Williams because he is defending himself and his program. He's more pathetic than villain to me but whatever.
Who else are we supposed to hate? Lets make a list so we can all keep track.
That is the best post I have ever read on any message board, and I mean it.
Thanks. I fully expect to take some jabs for that post but I'm fine with it.
It just makes no sense to hate a coach because he's successful then hate everyone that dogs Cal and UK for…. Being successful.
Don't hate K - and don't hate Roy. Really, don't hate any of them. Sure, I'll make fun of situations as a UK fan, but overall it's a "whatever" thing.
I will admit that I do feel some resentment towards K though - he does seem to get a way with a lot more than others do. Plus, most accounts I've heard say that he's a complete jerk, cusses worse than a sailor and treats people like crap. This is coming from fans of schools who play Duke regularly and others who have seen him in action during the tournies. I guess it's mostly because he's painted as some sort of saint, while Cal is generally vilified. The general public does not know how hard Cal works in the community, with charity and teaching his guys to be servant leaders. That always gets lost.
anyway, that's my take on it
I've heard the same rumors as you about K being a jerk and cursing up a storm during games but I have 2 things to say about that.
1) I've never heard or witnessed any of that myself
2) Who am I to judge? I can be a jerk (I'm usually very nice though) and I have been known to throw a few cuss words around so I have no room to talk and I honestly don't see the harm in either of these accusations. Seems like a good guy to me and I would back him 100% if he was the coach of the Cats.
You will probably get a few likes for that. Here, I'll get it started for you.
What I've been saying all along. K is the biggest phony out there. A sore loser and an arrogant elitist. Hence the lecture he gave the Oregon player after the game. Just despicable.
He ain't my coach. And hell to the no, would I back CRP.
K is just an ***...I am positive many fans of other programs think Cal is an ***. But he doesn't lie on camera and berate others in public (except Tipton; he don't count :smiley
I can definitely respect what you're saying. I don't think you're right or I'm wrong. It's just my opinion. I don't hate K by a long shot, but my respect for him has taken some damage, not because I went looking for it, but because it was brought to my attention. It makes one wonder if it's always been present but kept on the DL. Cal is who he is, and has never tried to prove people wrong, right or otherwise. The people who promote K, and "doing it the right way" have either let some things slip out on their watch, or because the starch in K's pressed, button-down image is starting to slack. Again, for some reason the press has pulled back the curtain for a public peek into an upstanding (thus far) image.
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well, being the super nice person I am.....(or so I've been told) [laughing]
I get what you're saying, and respect it - I don't care about the language, myself. Just trying to give reasons why there could be some resentment
Nothing fishy about Goodman, who has said he hates Cal, bringing this up. Stirring the pot.
What makes me angry is the double standard.Now say Cal dumps on an Oregon player after a loss and lies about it to the media.Cal would be roasted.But nothing is said about Coach K.The media portrays him as a saint.
I don't hate anybody.
The NCAA is atrocious.
The media bias in a world dominated by Duke and other ACC alums is nauseating. Nauseating to the point that I barely watch it anymore. I know I'm not alone.
Part of the reason that Inside the NBA is such a great show is that you have a pair of SEC guys counter-balancing the one UNC turd.
What Cal is doing in putting all of these great basketball players (and upstanding citizens) in the NBA cannot be overstated. It's a billion dollars worth of free advertising for UK.
You can't break into the ESPN mafia. But you can jump over them.
Listen to the Barkley's and Shaq's of the world gush over KAT and Booker. Then watch as those guys become the next generation of talking heads that matter.
Cal is playing chess. To be fair, so is K. Don't think those ESPN/K/Winslow commercials were an afterthought.
This is a fun time to be a Kentucky fan. We have one of the top 10 most influential people in the sport who has chosen UK as his platform from which to spread his influence.
The NCAA is atrocious.
The media bias in a world dominated by Duke and other ACC alums is nauseating. Nauseating to the point that I barely watch it anymore. I know I'm not alone.
Part of the reason that Inside the NBA is such a great show is that you have a pair of SEC guys counter-balancing the one UNC turd.
What Cal is doing in putting all of these great basketball players (and upstanding citizens) in the NBA cannot be overstated. It's a billion dollars worth of free advertising for UK.
You can't break into the ESPN mafia. But you can jump over them.
Listen to the Barkley's and Shaq's of the world gush over KAT and Booker. Then watch as those guys become the next generation of talking heads that matter.
Cal is playing chess. To be fair, so is K. Don't think those ESPN/K/Winslow commercials were an afterthought.
This is a fun time to be a Kentucky fan. We have one of the top 10 most influential people in the sport who has chosen UK as his platform from which to spread his influence.
I Hate Everything . . . sometimes. At least I'm an equal opportunity hater. I don't wake up that way. It just grows through the day. Especially when it comes to ut, iu, ul, osu, lsu, unc, ucla, du, uf, au, ua etc.
Notice you live in Scottsdale . . . I wear my Fighting Artichokes hat quite a bit!
This^^^
I don't know if it was as early as 1980, but they definitely anointed Krybabyschitzski after Dean's Myth retired from his role as the Chosen One. The NCAA had their new Wooden firmly in place by the time this happened:
^^^NOT a foul, if you're a dookie in the FF, apparently.
USA basketball has done more for K than K has done for USA basketball, he has an in on recruiting that others just dont...
Coach K is hated because he wins. He's also hated because he has some disgusting qualities, like how he's bastardized the game with his flopping style. It's sell out basketball and everyone knows it. He's also hated because anyone not trying to be that guy can see how incredible the favoritism is that he's shown.
I'm not going to take away that he's accomplished. He pushed his program into a top 3 all time conversation (although his road there was aided). I will however say team USA was hijacked by K as a means for recruiting to Duke, and it should have never been allowed. Even long nose at UNC GAVE UP that seat saying it's not ethical for one man to hold it. In walks K and he uses it as a Duke recruiting tool. Save the "he saved it" junk for someone who cares. It's not that cut. Without team USA basketball, Duke would have probably already wanted him gone. People don't remember but coming into 2010 Duke fans were probably 60/40 that he shouldn't retire yet.
Some of my frustration is how easily I feel cal could have curtailed this a bit. I'd hate to look back and see K win another 2 or 3 championships with this new era and system and completely steal a lot of Cals national recognition and legacy, but it does happen. A mix of upperclassmen and OAD's every year is going to make them tough.
The good thing is these things can turn on a dime. In the early 2,000's everyone thought Duke was about to be team of the decade. Then all of a sudden UNC was the hot team for 5 years. Like magic, UK was the only team worth talking about from around 2010, and UNC goes into a final four drought. Right now Duke is slightly hotter than UK, but it's expected after a championship. Contrary to popular beliefs, they matter a lot in recruiting. Everyone wants to be a champion.
We shall see. But Duke is currently a problem for UK and some refuse to accept it.
I'm not going to take away that he's accomplished. He pushed his program into a top 3 all time conversation (although his road there was aided). I will however say team USA was hijacked by K as a means for recruiting to Duke, and it should have never been allowed. Even long nose at UNC GAVE UP that seat saying it's not ethical for one man to hold it. In walks K and he uses it as a Duke recruiting tool. Save the "he saved it" junk for someone who cares. It's not that cut. Without team USA basketball, Duke would have probably already wanted him gone. People don't remember but coming into 2010 Duke fans were probably 60/40 that he shouldn't retire yet.
Some of my frustration is how easily I feel cal could have curtailed this a bit. I'd hate to look back and see K win another 2 or 3 championships with this new era and system and completely steal a lot of Cals national recognition and legacy, but it does happen. A mix of upperclassmen and OAD's every year is going to make them tough.
The good thing is these things can turn on a dime. In the early 2,000's everyone thought Duke was about to be team of the decade. Then all of a sudden UNC was the hot team for 5 years. Like magic, UK was the only team worth talking about from around 2010, and UNC goes into a final four drought. Right now Duke is slightly hotter than UK, but it's expected after a championship. Contrary to popular beliefs, they matter a lot in recruiting. Everyone wants to be a champion.
We shall see. But Duke is currently a problem for UK and some refuse to accept it.
I have. I've seen refs that needed an umbrella, as the spittle from Koach k's tirade was flying. No T for him, though.
Meanwhile, I've seen Cal facing his guys on the bench on the sideline, while the game was going on, and a ref who was on the FAR SIDELINE, with Cal's back to him... somehow, find a reason to T him up.
Go figure.
Listen to the MJ podcast with Bomani Jones. Matt said that Grant Hill told him that while he likes Krzyzewski, his players do not feel the same way Cal's do about him. Talking about how all of Cal's guys were up there with him at the HOF ceremony, Hill said K could not get his players to do that. Bomani, who lived in NC and knows a lot about the TR schools agreed.
Here's a thought, how about everyone decide for themselves who they can like, hate, respect, or what have you? Maybe that's a better plan than having someone mock them for their personal preferences. Yeah, I think I'll go with that one.
So you **** on UK fans who hate that rat Splinter but it was ok for you to think Cal was crooked without knowing him.
Got it. Makes perfect sense.
He's a worm who has been given every advantage available. Won't speak to the media at halftime. Doesn't feel the need to discuss any player issues - Magette, Duhon, Boozer, Thomas, Sulaimon, Thornton, etc. - more than the absolute minimum. Doesn't feel it's a big deal to lie to the media about a kid.
It's hard to keep a legacy intact - see Pitino, Paterno, Wooden. I'm guessing he will be exposed before all is said and done. They usually are.
It's hard to keep a legacy intact - see Pitino, Paterno, Wooden. I'm guessing he will be exposed before all is said and done. They usually are.
K is respected by his former players....Cal is beloved by his.