There is no point anymore NIL

[NotInRHouse]

RU has been a bowl team before in the B1G, a few times now, and we don't belong?

That's before we get to other sports

GTFO w that BS.

We're tied with the Cult right now. Do they not belong?

Indiana was a program we beat regularly for years. Now they're top 5. We just need to invest. Yes, fans will have to donate more. And to NIL. Sorry not sorry.

 

[BoogieKnight]

We've been a "bowl team" in the B1G by beating 3 comparable or lesser OOC opponents and 3 bottom third B1G teams (2014, 2023, 2024). Don't get me wrong...I loved every minute of beating Syracuse, BC, VT and Miami in the Pinstripe two years ago. But that's the ceiling. PSU was in the national semi-final last year and Indiana would beat us by 8 TD's so not even sure why those schools are being brought up. And if we're truly equal with PSU at the current moment then it shouldn't be too much to ask for us to beat them at home next month should it?

 

[AdventureHasAName]

His collective didn't work out, he made an effort.

Shocking.

 

[yesrutgers01]

We are all pissed about the game but some of you really crack me up.
Get a cheaper coach??? WTF? - Greg is cheap by O4 standards and I’m not sure he is in the top half of the B1G
We don’t belong??? We are currently a team that has established itself into the middle of the pack. But also look at the schedule…we are at the bottom this year in the B1G but the 3 prior losses were actually to better teams then expected. And all 3 of those, they were evenly played.
Money, put the money wasted on football into something else. Dumb F—k,s. Why does anyone have to explain that football got us into the B1G- what this conference brings to each school by way of $$$ and research is 100% because of football.
Now, Greg has turned me off but my take is- spend a little more on a coach and staff, not less.
BTW- PSU is not going to pay anything close to $50 million. They wrote that contract so it made sure they wouldn’t.

 

[RUAldo]

I have a hard time wrapping my head around why a person cares so much about a college football program that they would write a $50M check for a coach’s buyout. Or $5M per year for a 5* QB. Or why paying high school kids to come play for the school they graduated from decades ago makes sense. Obviously people can spend their money however they want but NIL has already ruined college sports folks just don’t fully realize it yet. Give it 5-10 years for the dust to settle and watch how many colleges start dropping football teams.

 

[dconifer0]

I have a hard time wrapping my head around why a person cares so much about a college football program that they would write a $50M check for a coach’s buyout. Or $5M per year for a 5* QB. Or why paying high school kids to come play for the school they graduated from decades ago makes sense. Obviously people can spend their money however they want but NIL has already ruined college sports folks just don’t fully realize it yet. Give it 5-10 years for the dust to settle and watch how many colleges start dropping football teams.

That's pretty much where I am. I follow the football team but don't expect much. In other sports I know they will continue to be competitive...

(For those who don't know, I'm a Maryland guy).

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

Spend money on coaching. Not players

Even the greatest coaches don't win without players.

 

[NotInRHouse]

We've been a "bowl team" in the B1G by beating 3 comparable or lesser OOC opponents and 3 bottom third B1G teams (2014, 2023, 2024). Don't get me wrong...I loved every minute of beating Syracuse, BC, VT and Miami in the Pinstripe two years ago. But that's the ceiling. PSU was in the national semi-final last year and Indiana would beat us by 8 TD's so not even sure why those schools are being brought up. And if we're truly equal with PSU at the current moment then it shouldn't be too much to ask for us to beat them at home next month should it?

If "belong in the B1G" is defined as beating the top teams regularly, literally no one other than OSU and Michigan and maybe more recently Oregon belongs.

What the logic be behind say, Northwestern or Maryland belonging and us not?

None...none at all.

 

[Mikemarc]

Even the greatest coaches don't win without players.

The greatest coaches will field a competitive team no matter the roster

 

[BoogieKnight]

No on said

If "belong in the B1G" is defined as beating the top teams regularly, literally no one other than OSU and Michigan and maybe more recently Oregon belongs.

What the logic be behind say, Northwestern or Maryland belonging and us not?

None...none atl.

Regularly? I'd take one win vs a ranked B1G team. Northwestern is a charter member of the conference. They have a couple of conference championships and a Rose Bowl appearance in the modern era. They belong as much as anyone. As far Maryland goes, I personally don't think they belong in the B1G either. They were a money grab just like we were. But at least they can hang their hat on their basketball tradition.

As another poster stated, "wait until the next TV revenue deal." So in other words, we are just happy to be here and collect that check. That is getting old for many alumni, myself included.

 

[rutgersguy2]

I have a hard time wrapping my head around why a person cares so much about a college football program that they would write a $50M check for a coach’s buyout. Or $5M per year for a 5* QB. Or why paying high school kids to come play for the school they graduated from decades ago makes sense. Obviously people can spend their money however they want but NIL has already ruined college sports folks just don’t fully realize it yet. Give it 5-10 years for the dust to settle and watch how many colleges start dropping football teams.

I can't speak to other sports as I don't pay attention to them but CFB has never been better.

I'm not sure what people have been watching these last few years. So many things have happened that have never happened or haven't happened in a long long time. We currently have Indiana, Georgia Tech and Vandy in the top 10 rankings. All of them with anywhere from a very real to an outside shot at the playoffs. My goodness, that's awesome. So many schools like this are doing things never done before...Cincy, TCU, ASU, Boise etc..all making 4 or 12 team playoffs. Vandy taking down #1 Alabama last year and LSU on Saturday.

The playing field isn't perfect but it has never been more level than it is right now. Anyone who is watching can see it, from fans, to media to coaches. The margins are much smaller. CFB is a land of opportunity like it's never been before. I've said this kind of stuff a zillion times and how can people not see unless you're not paying attention. I remember no too long ago people complaining it's freaking Alabama and Clemson just destroying everyone year after year and now the field is as wide open as ever and "any given Saturday" has never been more true and still complaints. I don't understand it.

 

[rc1980]

Why is everyone comparing us to OSU PSU Oregon and Michigan! We should be able to compete with the rest of the league on the field and with NIL! Most of our failures can be tied to the administration!

 

[RUAldo]

I can't speak to other sports as I don't pay attention to them but CFB has never been better.

I'm not sure what people have been watching these last few years. So many things have happened that have never happened or haven't happened in a long long time. We currently have Indiana, Georgia Tech and Vandy in the top 10 rankings. All of them with anywhere from a very real to an outside shot at the playoffs. My goodness, that's awesome. So many schools like this are doing things never done before...Cincy, TCU, ASU, Boise etc..all making 4 or 12 team playoffs. Vandy taking down #1 Alabama last year and LSU on Saturday.

The playing field isn't perfect but it has never been more level than it is right now. Anyone who is watching can see it, from fans, to media to coaches. The margins are much smaller. CFB is a land of opportunity like it's never been before. I've said this kind of stuff a zillion times and how can people not see unless you're not paying attention. I remember no too long ago people complaining it's freaking Alabama and Clemson just destroying everyone year after year and now the field is as wide open as ever and "any given Saturday" has never been more true and still complaints. I don't understand it.

I think this is highly debatable and depends on certain timeframes, but it wasn’t that long ago when Syracuse, VTech, Cincy, BC, WVU, plenty of West Coast schools, Louisville, USF, etc. that hit the top 25 on a fairly regular basis. Just because Alabama or FSU are no locks to win doesn’t mean there is broad parity.

 

[rutgersguy2]

I think this is highly debatable and depends on certain timeframes, but it wasn’t that long ago when Syracuse, VTech, Cincy, BC, WVU, plenty of West Coast schools, Louisville, USF, etc. that hit the top 25 on a fairly regular basis. Just because Alabama or FSU are no locks to win doesn’t mean there is broad parity.

And these are not one offs in terms of teams (not specifically any one team/school) off the radar coming up and achieving good to big goals whether it be rankings or playoffs or more. Even on a higher level, we just had Michigan who hadn't won anything since the 90s win a championship and the same can be said for the team they played, Washington. It's up and down the totem pole where things that haven't happened ever or in a long time are happening now frequently.

Talent is spread around all over, especially at the qb position so the playing field is much more level.

Tweets like these are becoming more frequent the last few years. The story I posted above as well. Coaches all over are saying it. What's going on now isn't like any other time in CFB as far as competitive balance. It'll never be perfect parity but it's more than ever before.

 

[BLewis1968]

Not really. Michigan is only example.

Are you trolling, or just ill-informed?

 

[e5fdny]

full stop, this is absolute nonsense and people like you really should just get some perspective or stfu. this is a level of dumb no one needs

we actually finished ahead of USC, Nebraska, Mich St, Purdue, and others last year. RU absolutely belongs, not everyone is OSU or Michigan. Hell, we're tied with PSU right now, think they don't belong?

I swear to God, between the fans that think Greg is good and people like you, you all are pure embarrassments to anyone with common fking sense!

Why is everyone comparing us to OSU PSU Oregon and Michigan! We should be able to compete with the rest of the league on the field and with NIL! Most of our failures can be tied to the administration!

+1 to both of the above posts.

NIL this…coaching that.

There was enough of both to win against Iowa and Minnesota.

The guys getting paid, the ones in the headsets AND those in the helmets didn’t get the job done.

 

[rutgersguy2]

And these are not one offs in terms of teams (not specifically any one team/school) off the radar coming up and achieving good to big goals whether it be rankings or playoffs or more. Even on a higher level, we just had Michigan who hadn't won anything since the 90s win a championship and the same can be said for the team they played, Washington. It's up and down the totem pole where things that haven't happened ever or in a long time are happening now frequently.

Talent is spread around all over, especially at the qb position so the playing field is much more level.

Tweets like these are becoming more frequent the last few years. The story I posted above as well. Coaches all over are saying it. What's going on now isn't like any other time in CFB as far as competitive balance. It'll never be perfect parity but it's more than ever before.

In an earlier era, major programs that have invested heavily for generations are expected to beat the teams they have always beaten. Losses to non-name brands have traditionally been a sign of a failed operation with no hope for the future.

For example, two weeks ago Penn State should have handled a 3-2 Northwestern team the way the Nittany Lions once defeated 34 consecutive unranked opponents under James Franklin.

But we've entered a new day when just about any team can put together a strong roster on the fly. Even if those schools don't surge up the polls as Indiana and others have, they can at least be competitive enough to beat you.

A new, active dollar, with money sent directly to players (or invested in top-line scouting) is more valuable than the old, passive dollar that paid for fancy locker rooms.

The result: Northwestern 22, Penn State 21. One of the difference-makers for Northwestern wasn't a former five-star recruit, but Griffin Wilde, who caught seven passes for 94 yards and a touchdown. He arrived this season as a transfer ... from South Dakota State.

Not only are there not enough great coaches out there, and no one, in this system, can even say what makes a great coach. Old attributes such as recruiting charm or multiyear program development matter less. In-game strategy and talent identification matters more.

 

[RUBlackout]

In an earlier era, major programs that have invested heavily for generations are expected to beat the teams they have always beaten. Losses to non-name brands have traditionally been a sign of a failed operation with no hope for the future.

For example, two weeks ago Penn State should have handled a 3-2 Northwestern team the way the Nittany Lions once defeated 34 consecutive unranked opponents under James Franklin.

But we've entered a new day when just about any team can put together a strong roster on the fly. Even if those schools don't surge up the polls as Indiana and others have, they can at least be competitive enough to beat you.

A new, active dollar, with money sent directly to players (or invested in top-line scouting) is more valuable than the old, passive dollar that paid for fancy locker rooms.

The result: Northwestern 22, Penn State 21. One of the difference-makers for Northwestern wasn't a former five-star recruit, but Griffin Wilde, who caught seven passes for 94 yards and a touchdown. He arrived this season as a transfer ... from South Dakota State.

Not only are there not enough great coaches out there, and no one, in this system, can even say what makes a great coach. Old attributes such as recruiting charm or multiyear program development matter less. In-game strategy and talent identification matters more.

Last two sentences are what schiano at a loss. He has always been a decent recruiter getting players to buy in to the program with a lack of support. Additionally he was always about development (players and men). He completely lacks in game strategy and adjustments as we have seen.

this is why you need a young up and coming coach who will think outside the box to get most out of current players.

 

[NotInRHouse]

No on said


Regularly? I'd take one win vs a ranked B1G team. Northwestern is a charter member of the conference. They have a couple of conference championships and a Rose Bowl appearance in the modern era. They belong as much as anyone. As far Maryland goes, I personally don't think they belong in the B1G either. They were a money grab just like we were. But at least they can hang their hat on their basketball tradition.

As another poster stated, "wait until the next TV revenue deal." So in other words, we are just happy to be here and collect that check. That is getting old for many alumni, myself included.

We have B1G championships now. NW went over a decade without a winning season.

Since joining the B1G RU jumped about 20 points in the rankings. We went to several bowl games, the NCAAs (and would have done both in 20)....that plus academics and money is why most alumni overwhelmingly laugh at the suggestion to leave the conference.

 

[tomatocan]

Alright so move on..

But: I'm still holding my breath waiting for your imaginary big donors to appear.

 

[tomatocan]

Why is everyone comparing us to OSU PSU Oregon and Michigan! We should be able to compete with the rest of the league on the field and with NIL! Most of our failures can be tied to the administration!

What?? Administration is the cause of our failure? Do "they" play, coach, or recruit? Good grief.

 

[Jerseylegends]

But: I'm still holding my breath waiting for your imaginary big donors to appear.

I see you're back lol I was wrong, Rutgers won't be able to raise anything. I guess you're here to troll and make fun of those of us that still watch college football? Or you're here to convince us to stop watching and donate to Green Peace?

 

[BoogieKnight]

We have B1G championships now. NW went over a decade without a winning season.

Since joining the B1G RU jumped about 20 points in the rankings. We went to several bowl games, the NCAAs (and would have done both in 20)....that plus academics and money is why most alumni overwhelmingly laugh at the suggestion to leave the conference.

If we're being honest, it's mostly the money lol. Yes, in football we've ascended from the eight year abyss and are essentially right back to where we were when we began B1G play in 2014. The problem is the college sports landscape has changed dramatically since and building and maintaining rosters like we did in football in the early 2010's and basketball in the early 20's is going to be more difficult at a place like Rutgers. When significant pieces like Cliff O. and Mo Toure can be signed away by "bigger name" schools with more money we will struggle to break through to the next level in both revenue sports.

 

[RUTGERS95]

No on said


Regularly? I'd take one win vs a ranked B1G team. Northwestern is a charter member of the conference. They have a couple of conference championships and a Rose Bowl appearance in the modern era. They belong as much as anyone. As far Maryland goes, I personally don't think they belong in the B1G either. They were a money grab just like we were. But at least they can hang their hat on their basketball tradition.

As another poster stated, "wait until the next TV revenue deal." So in other words, we are just happy to be here and collect that check. That is getting old for many alumni, myself included.

you must be drinking
you cannot possibly be even remotely literate and not see the tangible and intangible benefits to Rutgers by being in the BIG. I mean this is like paint by numbers easy

anyone arguing we don't belong is not a serious poster. Anyone arguing we'd be better off in the ACC needs to be hit with the 'moron' button and put on ignore

 

[NotInRHouse]

If we're being honest, it's mostly the money lol. Yes, in football we've ascended from the eight year abyss and are essentially right back to where we were when we began B1G play in 2014. The problem is the college sports landscape has changed dramatically since and building and maintaining rosters like we did in football in the early 2010's and basketball in the early 20's is going to be more difficult at a place like Rutgers. When significant pieces like Cliff O. and Mo Toure can be signed away by "bigger name" schools with more money we will struggle to break through to the next level in both revenue sports.

But these are problems every other B1G school not named OSU and Michigan is having. Look at Wisconsin.

We're basically a play away from 5-2 right now, then all of a sudden are we belonging? Is the narrative different? Just really silly.

 

[Anon1754923206]

But these are problems every other B1G school not named OSU and Michigan is having. Look at Wisconsin.

We're basically a play away from 5-2 right now, then all of a sudden are we belonging? Is the narrative different? Just really silly.

“A play” away from 5-2 huh? Who knew one play could get us two wins back separated by over a week

 

[NotInRHouse]

“A play” away from 5-2 huh? Who knew one play could get us two wins back separated by over a week

Yes, one play in each game different and we win. Did you watch or just trolling, poorly?

 

[noble106]

What?? Administration is the cause of our failure? Do "they" play, coach, or recruit? Good grief.

They help "buy" the things you're mentioning.

AD did absolutely nothing to support RU football since it's B1G inclusion.

 

[eddynyse]

I think most of our failures can be connected to lack of resources, poor administration decisions, AND poor fan support. I keep going back to our basketball team last year who had two 5-star players that are contributing significantly in the NBA, and due to awful financial support from the fans, we completely wasted an opportunity of a generation.Mainly due to the stubborn idea by many Rutgers fans of not being able to contribute to NIL because they can't accept paying college players.

If you don't contribute or buy a season ticket, you shouldn't be complaining about the lack of recent success of our teams.

 

[RUAldo]

I think most of our failures can be connected to lack of resources, poor administration decisions, AND poor fan support. I keep going back to our basketball team last year who had two 5-star players that are contributing significantly in the NBA, and due to awful financial support from the fans, we completely wasted an opportunity of a generation.Mainly due to the stubborn idea by many Rutgers fans of not being able to contribute to NIL because they can't accept paying college players.

If you don't contribute or buy a season ticket, you should be complaining about the lack of recent success of our teams.

The real failure is RU’s inability to secure a stable of high net worth alumni donors. Plenty of RU grads on Wall Street and successful in Pharma PSU isn’t funding Franklin’s $50M buy out with $1000 individual NIL donations from 50,000 fans. The big money is what makes **** happen.

 

[eddynyse]

The real failure is RU’s inability to secure a stable of high net worth alumni donors. Plenty of RU grads on Wall Street and successful in Pharma PSU isn’t funding Franklin’s $50M buy out with $1000 individual NIL donations from 50,000 fans. The big money is what makes **** happen.

Give it up. They are not coming unless we are winning regularly, so you might as well do your part, donate some cash to the fund, and forget about Moby Dick. Rich people want to be viewed as winners. You mentioned Penn State's rich alums, or look at Larry Ellison... he donated millions to Michigan, probably due to his young wife's connection to the school and because Michigan has a tradition of winning. That is the common denominator for rich people: they want to
be view as winners in everything they do and sadly Rutgers can't offer that right now. Plus, there's no guarantee that a rich guy or gal is going to stick around for too long anyway.

Anyway, It is up to us, the fans who have that crazy connection that no matter what, we return to watch our team, even if it's super frustrating and painful. Just have faith that by doing a small part, by doing the part that you can control, things will work out. But if they don't, you can always say you did something rather than just blaming the lack of wealthy donors at RU.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Just saw this from an Athletic article with regards to Kelly and the LSU admin squabbling over what’s next.

Lille I’ve said here before most schools likely weren’t swimming in NIL prior to this year with revenue sharing. If LSU had about 5-6M last year how much would your typical average everyday school have had last year whether it be IU or whomever. Probably quite a bit less. This year LSU went up to 18M (more than triple last year)and like everyone else that has a lot to do with revenue sharing. Everyone’s pool to pay players went up quite a bit this year.

From the article:

The Tigers began the season No. 9 in the AP poll, as Kelly embraced the expectations for his team in Year 4. Kelly said that LSU’s roster cost $18 million to assemble, which more than tripled the financial commitment made to last year’s team.

 

[RUAldo]

Give it up. They are not coming unless we are winning regularly, so you might as well do your part, donate some cash to the fund, and forget about Moby Dick. Rich people want to be viewed as winners. You mentioned Penn State's rich alums, or look at Larry Ellison... he donated millions to Michigan, probably due to his young wife's connection to the school and because Michigan has a tradition of winning. That is the common denominator for rich people: they want to
be view as winners in everything they do and sadly Rutgers can't offer that right now. Plus, there's no guarantee that a rich guy or gal is going to stick around for too long anyway.

Anyway, It is up to us, the fans who have that crazy connection that no matter what, we return to watch our team, even if it's super frustrating and painful. Just have faith that by doing a small part, by doing the part that you can control, things will work out. But if they don't, you can always say you did something rather than just blaming the lack of wealthy donors at RU.

Nah, paying a bunch of football kids with hard earned money that have no loyalty to RU and aren’t interested in getting a college degree just isn’t how I live my life. Football is nothing more than entertainment. Buy tickets. Buy parking pass. Buy food/drinks. Buy players? Buy coaches? Anything else?

BTW, where are all the former RU players that made it to the NFL thanks to RU (and NJ taxpayers)? How much are they donating to fund RU NIL?

I’m at the point where I enjoy local high school sports much more than college.

 

[mdk02]

Give it up. They are not coming unless we are winning regularly, so you might as well do your part, donate some cash to the fund, and forget about Moby Dick. Rich people want to be viewed as winners. You mentioned Penn State's rich alums, or look at Larry Ellison... he donated millions to Michigan, probably due to his young wife's connection to the school and because Michigan has a tradition of winning. That is the common denominator for rich people: they want to
be view as winners in everything they do and sadly Rutgers can't offer that right now. Plus, there's no guarantee that a rich guy or gal is going to stick around for too long anyway.

Anyway, It is up to us, the fans who have that crazy connection that no matter what, we return to watch our team, even if it's super frustrating and painful. Just have faith that by doing a small part, by doing the part that you can control, things will work out. But if they don't, you can always say you did something rather than just blaming the lack of wealthy donors at RU.

You omitted one thing, history. A school like Michigan has been developing their Development Office since the post WWII 40s. The SEC Southern schools were establishing their brands when there were no NFL teams closer than DC and St. Louis. By the time the ties to winning reigned supreme they were established brands.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Just saw this from an Athletic article with regards to Kelly and the LSU admin squabbling over what’s next.

Lille I’ve said here before most schools likely weren’t swimming in NIL prior to this year with revenue sharing. If LSU had about 5-6M last year how much would your typical average everyday school have had last year whether it be IU or whomever. Probably quite a bit less. This year LSU went up to 18M (more than triple last year)and like everyone else that has a lot to do with revenue sharing. Everyone’s pool to pay players went up quite a bit this year.

From the article:

The Tigers began the season No. 9 in the AP poll, as Kelly embraced the expectations for his team in Year 4. Kelly said that LSU’s roster cost $18 million to assemble, which more than tripled the financial commitment made to last year’s team.

LSU is definitely rolling around in a lot of money. That they got Kelly in the first place and then paid a ton for Kim Mulkey...I don't know specifically if it's a handful or one very wealthy donor but they are definitely a school I'd place in the "not worried about money" bucket.

 

[WhiteBus]

we’re investing 6.5 million a year on a **** coach.

invest half of that on a decent coach and we’re in a better spot

Who are you going to get for $3.5 million?? The stupidity continues!

 

[WhiteBus]

The greatest coaches will field a competitive team no matter the roster

Really?? Calling Bill Belichick!!!

 

[mdk02]

Really?? Calling Bill Belichick!!!

As DC not HC.

 

[yesrutgers01]

You know is crazy...Back during GS 1.0 and into Flood days- it seemed we produced more solid to very good, dare say Great, NFL players. I mean, we have a borderline HOF player that was a addon in order to get his more highly rated twin who also had a good NFL career- a RB that had mult HOF type seasons in the NFL along with Fullbacks, WR's, DB's, OL...and that is not including all the camp invites.

and now, in the new world, and even where our classes are ranked higher then they have ever been, we get a guy or two at most each year. What has happened where we used to develop these type of stars and now it seems, we just are not doing it.

Now- on a note that I see a couple of you posting about a good coach will field a competitive team regardless of their roster.

I am not a huge GS fan, but think about what a couple of you are saying and you think it is a knock on GS...

Spoiler alert - Rutgers has become a very competitive team. There has been only one game this year we were out of. And in the past few years- we have had some big losses but have also held our own in a few of those games as well. Rutgers is now known for giving you a hard game. So, as you think you are knocking Greg, you are actually endorsing him.
I couldn't watch most Ash games as you knew there was no game he could win. I watch them all now and can't think of many games where I just felt helpless before the game starts.

 

[RU Jeep]

Nah, paying a bunch of football kids with hard earned money that have no loyalty to RU and aren’t interested in getting a college degree just isn’t how I live my life. Football is nothing more than entertainment. Buy tickets. Buy parking pass. Buy food/drinks. Buy players? Buy coaches? Anything else?

BTW, where are all the former RU players that made it to the NFL thanks to RU (and NJ taxpayers)? How much are they donating to fund RU NIL?

I’m at the point where I enjoy local high school sports much more than college.

Dont worry, NIL will be coming to HS soon next