The New Lounge

[KDSTONE]

Datt was in a helluva pickle with whether to side with women or transwomen.

I doubt it. If there’s a chance to follow the trends or side with traditional values and common sense, I’m guessing the choice was a fairly easy one for any self respecting Leftist. He relishes his ‘insider’ self image. We’re outsiders after all who just “ don’t get it”.

 

[KDSTONE]

Wow! Your last sentence is showing your white guilt. You’ve been trained well. My father has been deceased for 31 years. He told me a couple of years before he passed that the white man would be hated in this country. I didn’t know what he meant at the time, but it all makes sense. You’ve been played Datt.

White men are demonized. When I was growing up I nor any other Jews I know anyway considered themselves white. I had a privileged childhood in many ways but there were lines that weren’t meant to be crossed. Millions of us were slaughtered specifically for not being white. Now that being white is a bad thing, we’re labeled as white. Makes the whole white colonizer thing easier too.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Paraphrasing your argument. Your argument essentially was that “studies” that you haven’t linked or referenced showed that trans in women’s bathrooms didn’t increase the risk of sexual assault. Therefore, everyone should just shut up and stop playing political games. You ignored genuine concerns about other women’s comfort.

I don't recognize that as my argument and I didn't mention any studies. mac did.
The concerns are genuine. They are also unfounded. There is no evidence that transwomen are dangerous to women in women's spaces. What's to study when there's no evidence?

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

“ Would we even be discussing this if it was a heterosexual couple?” Probably not, because that would be unrelated to the topic.
I don’t answer for “white men” so I’ll let someone else answer that.

It's under discussion because mac made a big deal out of it. He was upset that a gay couple was in a commercial.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

I get it, I just don't like the notion of a bio man walking into a women's bathroom. What KD said sums up how I feel about that. Not sure why you are arguing this. I really don't.

The HIV commercial is just a sad depiction of our times. Sorry, not sorry for feeling this way. An HIV commericial where the most likely cause was unprotected sex that caused them to get it.

I don't believe you're sorry for anything. Don't complain when your stance is correctly identified as bigotry.

What does the means through which someone got HIV have to do with anything? Sounds like you're very close to making a "they deserve it" argument, all while telling us how mean you aren't.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Datt was in a helluva pickle with whether to side with women or transwomen.

Transwomen are women.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Wow! Your last sentence is showing your white guilt. You’ve been trained well. My father has been deceased for 31 years. He told me a couple of years before he passed that the white man would be hated in this country. I didn’t know what he meant at the time, but it all makes sense. You’ve been played Datt.

That sentence was a direct response to KD's DEI comment. I have no white guilt.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

I doubt it. If there’s a chance to follow the trends or side with traditional values and common sense, I’m guessing the choice was a fairly easy one for any self respecting Leftist. He relishes his ‘insider’ self image. We’re outsiders after all who just “ don’t get it”.

Why not stick to the topic instead of disguising a strawman as the most negative psychoanalysis you can make up?

 

[KDSTONE]

I don't recognize that as my argument and I didn't mention any studies. mac did.
The concerns are genuine. They are also unfounded. There is no evidence that transwomen are dangerous to women in women's spaces. What's to study when there's no evidence?

You’re doubling down on the same flawed argument. “There is no evidence that trans women are dangerous”. It’s the discomfort, the unknown of what’s behind that bathroom door that unnerves people. Because a woman may not be actually assaulted by a trans woman does not alleviate the discomfort involved in the situation. I feel for the trans. I do. But I don’t think every trip to a public restroom should be fraught with such dread, such anxiety for the vast majority of women who think if someone has a penis they should be using the men’s restroom. I’m sorry if most of us don’t want to cosplay in this farce the Left has constructed.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

White men are demonized. When I was growing up I nor any other Jews I know anyway considered themselves white. I had a privileged childhood in many ways but there were lines that weren’t meant to be crossed. Millions of us were slaughtered specifically for not being white. Now that being white is a bad thing, we’re labeled as white. Makes the whole white colonizer thing easier too.

I don't feel demonized.
I don't think the heinous crimes perpetrated against Jewish people and their categorization as white has anything to do with this alleged demonization of white people.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

You’re doubling down on the same flawed argument. “There is no evidence that trans women are dangerous”. It’s the discomfort, the unknown of what’s behind that bathroom door that unnerves people. Because a woman may not be actually assaulted by a trans woman does not alleviate the discomfort involved in the situation. I feel for the trans. I do. But I don’t think every trip to a public restroom should be fraught with such dread, such anxiety for the vast majority of women who think if someone has a penis they should be using the men’s restroom. I’m sorry if most of us don’t want to cosplay in this farce the Left has constructed.

The flawed argument is that someone's unfounded discomfort should be catered to at the expense of someone who isn't harming them at all. I asked mac already: how would these women feel about sharing the bathroom with a transman who has facial hair and a deep voice? Or particularly masculine-looking lesbians? Or a group of loud teenagers? Are we going to ban all of them because of someone else's discomfort, too?

 

[KDSTONE]

Why not stick to the topic instead of disguising a strawman as the most negative psychoanalysis you can make up?

Yeh, about that. So conservatives are all outsiders. So what does that make you? An insider right? Based on what? 10-15% of the LBGT community identify as conservative and close to half as independent. They’re humans with their own points of view. They’re not a monolith. So no moral privilege for you in this instance.

 

[KDSTONE]

The flawed argument is that someone's unfounded discomfort should be catered to at the expense of someone who isn't harming them at all. I asked mac already: how would these women feel about sharing the bathroom with a transman who has facial hair and a deep voice? Or particularly masculine-looking lesbians? Or a group of loud teenagers? Are we going to ban all of them because of someone else's discomfort, too?

The topic is there are men’s bathrooms and women’s bathrooms. The hypotheticals you mention are interesting but ultimately irrelevant. “Masculine looking women”? Since they have cooters they go to the women’s restroom. “Loud teenagers”? Yeh, I wish I could hit the mute button sure but they would go to the bathroom corresponding to their genitalia.
Youll have to refresh my memory: what’s a trans man again?
Cooters makes it through the cut, but the q word gets the axe. Oh the humanity!!

 

[Mac9192]

I don't believe you're sorry for anything. Don't complain when your stance is correctly identified as bigotry.

What does the means through which someone got HIV have to do with anything? Sounds like you're very close to making a "they deserve it" argument, all while telling us how mean you aren't.

Because you say bigotry. I knew eventually you’d show your true colors.

You took me to saying “they deserve it” as my comment on the HIV commercial about a medication to help. I never said they deserved it, only that unprotected sex is what most likely caused it. Sounds like a simple fact. Think they got it playing tennis?

Nice job trying to put words into my mouth. Spin Datt, Spin!

 

[KDSTONE]

Because you say bigotry. I knew eventually you’d show your true colors.

You took me to saying “they deserve it” as my comment on the HIV commercial about a medication to help. I never said they deserved it, only that unprotected sex is what most likely caused it. Sounds like a simple fact. Think they got it playing tennis?

Nice job trying to put words into my mouth. Spin Datt, Spin!

Speaking of strawmen… Datt often spins our words into having the argument he wants to have rather than responding to our actual posts. Eventually the name calling starts. I seem to remember a time when anyone connecting HIV transmission to gay behavior was crucified as a bigot but now it’s well established that sodomy is the number one transmitter. The heterosexual women contracting it were most likely involved with a bisexual male. Datt is the one here who made a flippant comment to the effect of “well of course gay guys are in the commercial. It’s for HIV meds” when conservatives have been told for decades we couldn’t connect the two.
Game, set, match.

 

[KDSTONE]

It's under discussion because mac made a big deal out of it. He was upset that a gay couple was in a commercial.

Nah, if I’m reading his post right, he made a big deal that gays are overrepresented ( a word I’m quite familiar with) in commercials, suggesting some sort of an agenda. Look. Let’s get real here. Unless gays are 30-50% of the population all of a sudden they’re over represented right?

 

[KDSTONE]

Transwomen are women.

That’s a valid take except for the fact that based on the numbers it’s somewhat fringe. The less time someone spends on social media, the less likely they are to believe that.

 

[dukesince91]

That sentence was a direct response to KD's DEI comment. I have no white guilt.

A while back you said something about you’ve been accused of having white guilt.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Yeh, about that. So conservatives are all outsiders. So what does that make you? An insider right? Based on what? 10-15% of the LBGT community identify as conservative and close to half as independent. They’re humans with their own points of view. They’re not a monolith. So no moral privilege for you in this instance.

Again, this isn't about me.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

The topic is there are men’s bathrooms and women’s bathrooms. The hypotheticals you mention are interesting but ultimately irrelevant. “Masculine looking women”? Since they have cooters they go to the women’s restroom. “Loud teenagers”? Yeh, I wish I could hit the mute button sure but they would go to the bathroom corresponding to their genitalia.
Youll have to refresh my memory: what’s a trans man again?
Cooters makes it through the cut, but the q word gets the axe. Oh the humanity!!

Transmen were identified as girls at birth and later transition and live as men. Through gender-affirming care, they grow facial hair and have deep voices.

 

[KDSTONE]

Again, this isn't about me.

You said we were outsiders. Implying that you weren’t. Would members of the LBGTQ+ IA ( k, I’ll stop now) see you as an insider because you’re a Leftist? Or would you need to identify as LBGTQ to gain 100% moral privilege and social status ? So now we’re starting to connect the dots as to why LBGT identification is so high in some communities: elevated status, increased relevance, etc. It’s not merely the removal of oppression; it’s also highly connected to attention, increased social status, and overall self image.