The difference between UK and Duke.

TNCatfanforever

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When they got Wiscionsin on the ropes they knocked them out. When we gut them in the ropes we jabbed and let them get their second wind.
 

HenryMuto

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That and Duke actually got the shot clock violation noticed by the refs at the same point of the game they didn't in our game.

Some people want to brush that off and say that didn't cost us the game but it sure as heck made a huge difference.

Would been up 1 with 50 seconds left instead of down 1.

Would have been tied with 16 seconds left.
 

Notorious23

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cotdamn Bo Ryan is pissed. said Puke did a lot of handchecking..... said he felt bad that his guys got jobbed. wow.....
 

Burly

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We put the ball in Andrews hands at a stellar .378field goal % and they put it in Jones hands. There kids played to win ours hoped to hold on

Duke had more skilled players than us
 

*dezyDECO*

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Originally posted by AirRaidFan:
We choked. Three shot clock violations. We wouldn't shoot = we choked.
Maybe. But if it'd been Puke in our situation... SOMEHOW the refs would've found a foul for a bailout before the shot clock expired.
 

IIIBradIII

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Uhh it's kinda easy to put teams away when you know the refs are going to cover for you! The out-of-bounds call that replay showed CLEARLY went off Duke - Duke ball. What?! Or the Winslow foot-on-the-line-and-travel-for-good-measure play where they scored two in the final minutes? Two points for Duke! It's just too easy to see through this sham.
 

ala_kat2

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Difference was Tyus Jones' late three 3-pointers even when being defended well. Also Duke's defense did a better job at f moving their feet and keeping Wisky away from the goal. And giving them very few open looks in the second half.
 

seccats04

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These are the biggest difference.
 

oldsports_

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Wille shows up, we win. Our All American took the night off, so we all had to watch Wisconsin.
 

Starship Seven

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Say what you want about the refs but it really does come down to those three shot-clock violations. We score two of those three trips and we win. Its not on Cal, its not on the refs, its completely on the players not scoring.
 

brian5562

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Jones was a closer tonight. If one of our guys makes a shot down the stretch we are watching our Cats tonight
 

65pacecar

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Originally posted by #1Wildcatfan4life:
We had a couple of players that failed to show up and it hurt us.
Willies vacation day didn't help UK. That and stall ball was killers
 

.S&C.

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Originally posted by Starship Seven:
Say what you want about the refs but it really does come down to those three shot-clock violations. We score two of those three trips and we win. Its not on Cal, its not on the refs, its completely on the players not scoring.
This is incredibly stupid. Cal was trying to force the ball inside like he had been doing since the elite eight. It wasn't there, and he just kept on. If he had let our team run, and push Wisconsin into a faster tempo, not allowing them to set and allowing the Harrisons to create, we would have went ahead by 8 or 9 in 2 minutes. I love Cal, but the ignorance of some around here, damn. wake up. Cals floor coaching and big game preparations need an adjustment. do you really need to see 7 or 8 final fours end in losses before you figure this out?

This post was edited on 4/7 12:01 AM by .S&C.
 

.S&C.

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Originally posted by ednunn:
Both these teams tougher than us. We scared of contact
Our players were NOT scared of contact.

We didn't come with a game plan to push and attack. Thats not on the players homes.
 

new era cat

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Originally posted by Starship Seven:
Say what you want about the refs but it really does come down to those three shot-clock violations. We score two of those three trips and we win. Its not on Cal, its not on the refs, its completely on the players not scoring.
Night night. Put your Cal jammies on .
 

eddie3

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Your posts reflect the same attude as our last 4 minutes of play Saturday. Scared , whiney and full of excuses


Originally posted by IIIBradIII:
Uhh it's kinda easy to put teams away when you know the refs are going to cover for you! The out-of-bounds call that replay showed CLEARLY went off Duke - Duke ball. What?! Or the Winslow foot-on-the-line-and-travel-for-good-measure play where they scored two in the final minutes? Two points for Duke! It's just too easy to see through this sham.
 

hoopsdave

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Willie did not show up a lot of nights. That and no scouting. Anyone notice how many of the same spin moves Frank pulled off on Sat. U take away that First! Willie probably never knew it was his go to move.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
 

.S&C.

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Originally posted by HoopsDavid:
Willie did not show up a lot of nights. That and no scouting. Anyone notice how many of the same spin moves Frank pulled off on Sat. U take away that First! Willie probably never knew it was his go to move.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
NO scouting is completely inexcusable. They were not prepared, and it showed.

We expected too much out of willie. If you weren't going to throw him a lob, what the hell game was everyone expecting? He's only a defender. He's been at UK 3 years and has ZERO offensive game.
 

eddie3

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Disagree UGA first showed that flaw in game At rupp. Barely won at home in that game.

Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by ednunn:
Both these teams tougher than us. We scared of contact
Our players were NOT scared of contact.

We didn't come with a game plan to push and attack. Thats not on the players homes.
 
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Give us Duke's draw and them ours and they certainly wouldn't be celebrating tonight!
 

Starship Seven

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I would proudly wear a pair of Cal jammies. Its ridiculous to blame a coach for his players choking. We've closed out games all year but, not when it counted.
 

Bill Derington

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Here's the difference, when duke got down 9 they started shooting fts on and 1's, kept them in the game.

Wisconsin fouled duke 5 less times than they did UK....yet duke shot 10 more fts than uk. And UK hit 90% on fts so it wasn't like we were missing front ends on one plus one.

That is how referees control games, and we still were in a position to win. It's sickening
 
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I think it's a little more simple than all that. Just matchups. Our length really didn't bother Wisconsin, but Duke's quickness did. It's funny how the size vs speed thing works, not really predictable. I think our length would've bothered Duke, but I guess we'll never know.....
 
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Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by Starship Seven:
Say what you want about the refs but it really does come down to those three shot-clock violations. We score two of those three trips and we win. Its not on Cal, its not on the refs, its completely on the players not scoring.
This is incredibly stupid. Cal was trying to force the ball inside like he had been doing since the elite eight. It wasn't there, and he just kept on. If he had let our team run, and push Wisconsin into a faster tempo, not allowing them to set and allowing the Harrisons to create, we would have went ahead by 8 or 9 in 2 minutes. I love Cal, but the ignorance of some around here, damn. wake up. Cals floor coaching and big game preparations need an adjustment. do you really need to see 7 or 8 final fours end in losses before you figure this out?

This post was edited on 4/7 12:01 AM by .S&C.

Like, even during the season i was begging for floor spacing lineups, I've just gotten tot the point of acceptance. Cal is old school and will likely keep running this brand of offensive basketball.


Duke doesn't win the title if Coach K didn't make an adjustment midseason by benching Amile Jefferson for Justice Winslow at PF & putting Matt Jones at SF to maximize the floor spacing.
 

Lord_Crow

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Originally posted by TNCatfanforever:
When they got Wiscionsin on the ropes they knocked them out. When we gut them in the ropes we jabbed and let them get their second wind.
Imagine if UK got every call down the stretch then get back to me.
 

.S&C.

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Originally posted by 5iveStarRecruit:

Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by Starship Seven:
Say what you want about the refs but it really does come down to those three shot-clock violations. We score two of those three trips and we win. Its not on Cal, its not on the refs, its completely on the players not scoring.
This is incredibly stupid. Cal was trying to force the ball inside like he had been doing since the elite eight. It wasn't there, and he just kept on. If he had let our team run, and push Wisconsin into a faster tempo, not allowing them to set and allowing the Harrisons to create, we would have went ahead by 8 or 9 in 2 minutes. I love Cal, but the ignorance of some around here, damn. wake up. Cals floor coaching and big game preparations need an adjustment. do you really need to see 7 or 8 final fours end in losses before you figure this out?

This post was edited on 4/7 12:01 AM by .S&C.

Like, even during the season i was begging for floor spacing lineups, I've just gotten tot the point of acceptance. Cal is old school and will likely keep running this brand of offensive basketball.


Duke doesn't win the title if Coach K didn't make an adjustment midseason by benching Amile Jefferson for Justice Winslow at PF & putting Matt Jones at SF to maximize the floor spacing.
And there it is. Coach K made the adjustments needed to get it done. He made 3 big time adjustments in the season that ended in their success. Cal kept trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

The floor spacing was an issue all year. As Ive said Im an assistant coach for a high school basketball team in memphis(not bragging I'm not anything special, just s&c coach). I watched the UK game with a coach for Martin. He couldn't believe how poorly our offense was being ran. there was so much time to adjust, and he didn't. I think Son of Saul said it best last night( and if he reads this I apologize for going off on ya), Cal has things he's not going to change. Ive followed his career very close since his days here in memphis. He will not ever change. You take the good with the bad with cal.

My question is? why?

This post was edited on 4/7 12:56 AM by .S&C.
 

IIIBradIII

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Originally posted by ednunn:
Your posts reflect the same attude as our last 4 minutes of play Saturday. Scared , whiney and full of excuses


Originally posted by IIIBradIII:
Uhh it's kinda easy to put teams away when you know the refs are going to cover for you! The out-of-bounds call that replay showed CLEARLY went off Duke - Duke ball. What?! Or the Winslow foot-on-the-line-and-travel-for-good-measure play where they scored two in the final minutes? Two points for Duke! It's just too easy to see through this sham.
It's difficult to explain to someone who glosses over the details of a game and follows the media narrative, so I wouldn't expect you to understand or have much to say, but how about at least trying? You can do it!
 
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Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by 5iveStarRecruit:

Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by Starship Seven:
Say what you want about the refs but it really does come down to those three shot-clock violations. We score two of those three trips and we win. Its not on Cal, its not on the refs, its completely on the players not scoring.
This is incredibly stupid. Cal was trying to force the ball inside like he had been doing since the elite eight. It wasn't there, and he just kept on. If he had let our team run, and push Wisconsin into a faster tempo, not allowing them to set and allowing the Harrisons to create, we would have went ahead by 8 or 9 in 2 minutes. I love Cal, but the ignorance of some around here, damn. wake up. Cals floor coaching and big game preparations need an adjustment. do you really need to see 7 or 8 final fours end in losses before you figure this out?

This post was edited on 4/7 12:01 AM by .S&C.

Like, even during the season i was begging for floor spacing lineups, I've just gotten tot the point of acceptance. Cal is old school and will likely keep running this brand of offensive basketball.


Duke doesn't win the title if Coach K didn't make an adjustment midseason by benching Amile Jefferson for Justice Winslow at PF & putting Matt Jones at SF to maximize the floor spacing.
And there it is. Coach K made the adjustments needed to get it done. He made 3 big time adjustments in the season that ended in their success. Cal kept trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

The floor spacing was an issue all year. As Ive said Im an assistant coach for a high school basketball team in memphis. I watched the UK game with a coach for Martin. He couldn't believe how poorly our offense was being ran. there was so much time to adjust, and he didn't. I think Son of Saul said it best last night( and if he reads this I apologize for going off on ya), Cal has things he's not going to change. Ive followed his career very close since his days here in memphis. He will not ever change. You take the good with the bad with cal.

My question is? why?

I just don't think he values it. Like i said, he's old school.

We've all watched ND, Wisconsin's & Duke offense. The difference in sets, lineup combinations and concepts to ours were crazy.

We had the personnel to have their offensive success. Cal is just stuck in old times. This is a new era of basketball where pace and space is valued highly.
 

Bill Derington

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What adjustment did k make I. That game? Get down and start driving it and getting fouled on the shot? UK tried that but the fouls on us were before the shot.
Or was it play physical defense and not get called for a foul?
You guys had t notice a change I. The whistle when duke got down 9, it was painfully obvious.

Referees controlled our game, and the championship game, I don't why, but it was obvious. There has got to some sort of accountability for the refs.
 

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Originally posted by 5iveStarRecruit:

Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by Starship Seven:
Say what you want about the refs but it really does come down to those three shot-clock violations. We score two of those three trips and we win. Its not on Cal, its not on the refs, its completely on the players not scoring.
This is incredibly stupid. Cal was trying to force the ball inside like he had been doing since the elite eight. It wasn't there, and he just kept on. If he had let our team run, and push Wisconsin into a faster tempo, not allowing them to set and allowing the Harrisons to create, we would have went ahead by 8 or 9 in 2 minutes. I love Cal, but the ignorance of some around here, damn. wake up. Cals floor coaching and big game preparations need an adjustment. do you really need to see 7 or 8 final fours end in losses before you figure this out?

This post was edited on 4/7 12:01 AM by .S&C.

Like, even during the season i was begging for floor spacing lineups, I've just gotten tot the point of acceptance. Cal is old school and will likely keep running this brand of offensive basketball.


Duke doesn't win the title if Coach K didn't make an adjustment midseason by benching Amile Jefferson for Justice Winslow at PF & putting Matt Jones at SF to maximize the floor spacing.
Floor spacing only works if you have multiple shooters on the floor simultaneously....We don't have that
 

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...about three NCAA titles...120 or so more wins...a couple hundred less loses...multiple coaches with titles...

Just some of the top...

This post was edited on 4/7 8:51 AM by Bogansback2Basil
 

OHIO COLONEL

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Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by 5iveStarRecruit:

Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by Starship Seven:
Say what you want about the refs but it really does come down to those three shot-clock violations. We score two of those three trips and we win. Its not on Cal, its not on the refs, its completely on the players not scoring.
This is incredibly stupid. Cal was trying to force the ball inside like he had been doing since the elite eight. It wasn't there, and he just kept on. If he had let our team run, and push Wisconsin into a faster tempo, not allowing them to set and allowing the Harrisons to create, we would have went ahead by 8 or 9 in 2 minutes. I love Cal, but the ignorance of some around here, damn. wake up. Cals floor coaching and big game preparations need an adjustment. do you really need to see 7 or 8 final fours end in losses before you figure this out?

This post was edited on 4/7 12:01 AM by .S&C.

Like, even during the season i was begging for floor spacing lineups, I've just gotten tot the point of acceptance. Cal is old school and will likely keep running this brand of offensive basketball.


Duke doesn't win the title if Coach K didn't make an adjustment midseason by benching Amile Jefferson for Justice Winslow at PF & putting Matt Jones at SF to maximize the floor spacing.
And there it is. Coach K made the adjustments needed to get it done. He made 3 big time adjustments in the season that ended in their success. Cal kept trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

The floor spacing was an issue all year. As Ive said Im an assistant coach for a high school basketball team in memphis(not bragging I'm not anything special, just s&c coach). I watched the UK game with a coach for Martin. He couldn't believe how poorly our offense was being ran. there was so much time to adjust, and he didn't. I think Son of Saul said it best last night( and if he reads this I apologize for going off on ya), Cal has things he's not going to change. Ive followed his career very close since his days here in memphis. He will not ever change. You take the good with the bad with cal.

My question is? why?

This post was edited on 4/7 12:56 AM by .S&C.
But it's way too easy for many on this board who don't know a lot about basketball other than watching, to blame the referees.