You’ve basically forfeited in every other sport this year except soccer! And the year’s not over yet!
That one hurt
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Iowa has NEVER had that homecourt advantage, EVER, in the decades I've been watching, which started in the old Iowa Field House under Ralph Miller. Iowa gets screwed home and away, always has and, apparently, always will. How good Iowa is doesn't make one damn bit of difference. How many All-Americans Iowa has doesn't make one damn bit of difference. Iowa's treatment by the refs is a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma.
Not much of a fight? LOL
I guess that's how Iowa got back to a 2-point game at the end. I think you need some new glasses, or maybe . . .
And not a funny one. Not funny at all. It was horseshit, to use a term they might understand in Ames.
This is a fact. Go look at the video evidence. It's pretty damn clear.
You are an idiot. Look at the video. No objective observer would agree with you since, well, that's not quite what transpired. Call the game the same at both ends, and Iowa wins easily. Pretty clear on the video.
Which doesn't mean a damn thing.... Other than they are used to screwing us on the road and even more intimidated by OSU crowd.
They were very energetic with their calls for ISU.
That timeout call for ISU. The red acted like he won the game. (Which he did).
Enjoy the "win"
Yes, and thank gawd none of your boys got hurt. LOL
Talk about spin. I know some guys in DC who could use you. You look at an elephant and tell everyone it's a cow. Well done.
We must be about the same age. I too watched many a game in the Field House. How did Millers team with Brown and Johnson go undefeated in the Big 10 and beat Purdue and Rick Mount? And when Olson came to Iowa and played Indiana and Knight? The crowd was very vocal that night with many sneaking in b/c no tickets available (me included). Then there's Tom Davis taking Ravelings recruits to 30 wins. Pretty good crowd support then.
I'm talking fan support and energy that affects the other team. Illinois is another w/ great support. Iowa had a great product in those days mentioned above. Unfortunately, those have been few and far between. Not ragging about the refs. Thought they were pretty fair actually. Not like the wbb game the night before. That was a shakedown.
Especially for Stirtz, that ISU dude had his hand up Stirtz's a.. all game long.
Guess Cyclone fans like to watch.
I think they need to rethink this Stirtz iron man thing. Yes he is a talented player but.....
He has to put a lot more effort in on both ends of the court this season vs at Drake.
His ball handling and quickness are not next level which causes him to have to work quite hard.
The two games they lossed he was not on his game and it seems like they are forcing things through him too much. Some breathers throughout the game might be in order.
A number of other players showed they can make critical shots and I prefer an open shot from one of them to him forcing and taking bad shots. Howard has impressed me as has Combs in their ability to drive and hit shots. Sage is coming on more and more. Folgers, Cam and Banks and Koch have all hit some key shots.
He has to put a lot more effort in on both ends of the court this season vs at Drake.
His ball handling and quickness are not next level which causes him to have to work quite hard.
The two games they lossed he was not on his game and it seems like they are forcing things through him too much. Some breathers throughout the game might be in order.
A number of other players showed they can make critical shots and I prefer an open shot from one of them to him forcing and taking bad shots. Howard has impressed me as has Combs in their ability to drive and hit shots. Sage is coming on more and more. Folgers, Cam and Banks and Koch have all hit some key shots.
Iowa state had some long armed defenders, especially on Stirtz. Hope this helps him in the long run. Personally think he needs some breaks from time to time. BIG is not the Valley
I said at the start of 2nd half You need the glasses
hahkize said:
And the start of the 2nd half when we were gettin' it handed to us and we had no answer and didn't really put up much of a fight.
Iowa went 5+ min. before Sage's backdoor dunk (w/ authority btw) ended a 16-0 run by ISU.
Over that time period:
- BMc took 2 timeouts @ 18:33 and 17:23,
- Iowa took 6 shots and made 0 (2 layups, 3- 3's, and a jumper,
- ISU took 8 shots and made 6 (2 layups, 1 dunk, 3 jumpers). Toure a jumper and dunk, Lipsey layup and jumper, Jefferson layup and Mamcilovich jumper on inbound play. The 2 missed shots were layups,
- Iowa made 2 turnovers, ISU none,
- ISU had 7 rebs (2 off, 5 def) and Iowa had 1 reb (off),
- ISU was 4-5 FTs and Iowa 0-0,
- Iowa had 4 fouls and ISU 2 (they picked up #3 right after Sage' dunk to break the drought),
- Even BMc had to stop the game to address his team (edit to add this)
'Not much of a fight' =
- Of our 6 shots attempted, half were 3's plus a jumper + 2 missed layups. Hoisting 3's at the end of shot clock, not physical enough on the layups
- 5 of ISUs 8 fg att were in the lane. Couldn't keep them out on def.
- 0 vs 2 turnovers. Not strong enough or focused enough to hang onto ball and not aggressive enough to take it away
- Rebound battle 7 to 1. (BMc's team so far in his 1st season has emphasized Def and Rebound in every game. That 5 min stretch hurt)
- Att '0' FT's. We like to drive it and get to FT line. Not physical enough to control ball or get fouled.
And as to the 'fouls'.... this level of MBB isn't officiated like Iowa high schools. If you've watched any other games this year (e.g. Dook v Floria, Dook v UConn, Dook v Arkansas, Arkansas v Mich St, Illinois v Tenn, ISU v Purdue, Arkansas v L'ville, Mich St v Dook) our game w/ ISU wasn't officiated any differently than those. The top of the BigTen has played like that for years.
As Hayden Fry liked to say: Run w/ the big dogs or stay on the porch.
Don't get all giddy reading btw the lines. Never said anything about not liking the product. Never liked Fran-ball tbh. As a matter of fact, bought tickets this year for the first time in a long while.
Iowa got the right guy in BMc. Love his energy, emphasis and what he's trying to do. Just needs a few more Jimmys and Joes like Sparty and ISC. I also don't think anyone on the team presently has played against as many physical athletes as they have in MSU and ISU before, sans maybe Tex Tech last year in the NCAA. They'll learn, adjust and be better. They just need some more swag. They finally got unstuck and clawed their way back last night.
It's always tough to withstand another teams superbowl! Iowa likely played their best game of the season...and lost.
Just because you ISU fans feel that way about playing Iowa, doesn't mean the opposite is true. Pretty sure I've never heard a continuously loud "F* the Clones" chant in either Carver or Kinnick before, unlike the opposite last night in Hilton.
Enjoy the sweep of the major sports this season as much as you can; it likely won't happen for decades again.
I love the energy this team plays with on defense. They are limited on the offensive end. Not a lot of major league talent. I look forward to what Ben will do when he gets better players and he will
imagine being rated the “4th best” team in the country, barely winning at home against a first-year coach, then coming to that team’s board to flex.
Especially after needing a large free throw disparity and one-sided officiating to squeak out a win.
L…O…L
As to the OP, what would hurt more? Giving up 100 points to Iowa State and losing by 25 +, or actually being competitive with a promising first-year coach and losing by 4?
iowa State is good and nearly unbeatable at home. This was a good benchmark game for Iowa. Nothing to be disappointed about.
Especially after needing a large free throw disparity and one-sided officiating to squeak out a win.
L…O…L
As to the OP, what would hurt more? Giving up 100 points to Iowa State and losing by 25 +, or actually being competitive with a promising first-year coach and losing by 4?
iowa State is good and nearly unbeatable at home. This was a good benchmark game for Iowa. Nothing to be disappointed about.
When did you ever think this was “that team’s board”? This is the cheap seats used by wannabes to commiserate with other like minded wannabes who can’t afford a subscription. You know why traffic always slows on the opposite side side of the interstate when there is a wreck?
Home court is worth 5-8 points per game. The refs are 99% of the time going to have a home whistle. They make a home call, get huge applause and start to feel the game is about them. The flamboyant charge calls, out of bound calls is an example of look at me. Human nature is to want to be liked. They get wrapped up in the adoration.
Is that supposed to mean something? The refs sucked regardless of where they came from. ISU fouled multiple times on each Iowa possession yet the foul and ft discrepancy favoring ISU tells me the refs were not calling a fair game. Iowa won in every other statistical category. It was the fouls and ft that gave the game to ISU.