Horrible call. Murray had 3 of his feet in and 12 feet of distance to reed tabling himself in bounds
That first play turnover
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Officials said an out of bounds player can't be first to touch the ball. I don't remember this rule. I assume it is new.
Autocorrect had a field day with you on that one.
Don't know what to tell you. The radio broadcasters were told this by the official and it isn't the first time we've gotten this call this year. Are you really that certain?
It is a rule that you have to reestablish. That was one of the calls they blew to high heaven in the Wisconsin game last year.
Didn't seem to apply in the Oklahoma/Kansas game. Took away any chance OU had to win that game too.
Only thing I can guess is it is illegal to purposely run out of bounds then be the first to touch the ball. Had one other like that earlier this year too and never quite figured that one out then either.
What was really impressive is Murray getting that 3rd foot in to begin with.
What was really impressive is Murray getting that 3rd foot in to begin with.
Pisses Me off so bad yo see this called as it absolutely 100% should have been called vs wisconsin... dude hadn't even touched inbounds before he caught the ball
The rule is that if you go out of bounds of your own volition, you can't be the first person to touch it upon returning inbounds.
People are confusing football rules with basketball. You can go out of bounds and come back in and be the first to touch it. You just have to establish yourself back in bounds.
To clarify:
A player is deemed in bounds or not based of of where they were last in contact with floor. If Murrey had one foot in contact with the floor inbounds and his other foot was not touching the floor, he would be in bounds and could have touched the ball.
To clarify:
A player is deemed in bounds or not based of of where they were last in contact with floor. If Murrey had one foot in contact with the floor inbounds and his other foot was not touching the floor, he would be in bounds and could have touched the ball.
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I thought that too but I just now pulled up the rule book and that's what it said.
The one call that got me was when the UT player fell on a slick spot. The ref stopped the game, had the wet spot wiped up and then gave UT back the ball. Should have been a travel.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Just throwing the rule out there. I couldn't find a clip of the play.
It is an NCAA rule that you cant be the first player to touch it after going out of bounds on your own intention. But Ulis was dribbling the ball and passed it. He was the first to touch it by the definition of the rule... not Murray
That rule is meant for out of bounds plays and for saving the ball plays. The ref was either a massive idiot who needs more instructing on the rules or he used that as an excuse to make a call he wanted to make
What rules are you reading?
http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4...ens-basketball-rules-and-interpretations.aspx
Page 71, no where does it say that.
I agree. That's the way I read that rule as well. Had he come back in and grabbed a rebound or loose ball, different story.
Or if Ulis had released the pass before Murray got back inbounds?
It happened so fast last night I wasn't sure what they had called, and I never re-watched it.
http://g-macsports.com/custompages/Governance/NCAArulebooks/Basketball_Mens_Rule_Book_2013-2015.pdf
Page 83 of the document. Page 80 of the rulebook.
That's last year, but I doubt it changed.
I don't know the rule and I'm not going to download the book and find it. Although thank you @under386 for showing us that, but I'm too lazy. I did rewatch the play and Murray had taken 3 steps inbounds when Tyler threw him the ball. He landed on his 4th step.
Again I don't know the exact rule but I do know guys do that constantly and I never see it called.
I posted a link to the rule above. Don't have to download that one.
This is where it gets fuzzy, I'm pretty sure that rule is in regards to ball in bounds. Simplest example is a player trying to in bounds can't simply toss the ball in and pick it up himself.
Someone posted the video clip in the home cooking thread.
We need clarification on what "first to touch the ball" means. Technically, as others have said, Ulis was the first to touch.
Further, you could easily argue that Murray didn't leave the court "of his own volition," since the UT player put a forearm into Murray on the baseline.
We need clarification on what "first to touch the ball" means. Technically, as others have said, Ulis was the first to touch.
Further, you could easily argue that Murray didn't leave the court "of his own volition," since the UT player put a forearm into Murray on the baseline.
And THAT I'm not too lazy for. FINALLY somebody gets it.
Anyway, here's the quote.
Art. 1. A player who steps out of bounds under his own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has committed a violation.
a. A violation has not been committed when a player, who steps out of bounds as permitted by Rule 7-4.6.b, does not receive the pass along the end line from a teammate and is the first to touch the ball after his return to the playing court.
Art. 2. After the throw-in is completed, the thrower-in must touch the playing court inbounds before touching the ball.
So it seems to me that if someone is ALREADY touching the ball it should not be a violation. Tyler was the first person to touch the ball after Jamal came back in bounds. If he'd thrown the ball while Jamal was out of bounds and he then caught it in bounds it would be a violation. Am I interpreting that right?
It says, "steps out of bounds of his own volition." That would encompass much more than an out of bounds play.
If that was the "right" call, then if (theoretically) 4 players on one team all step out of bounds, the ball handler CANNOT pass the ball without it being a turnover.
It also means that no matter where Murray runs, for how long, he absolutely cannot touch the ball until Tyler passes elsewhere or shoots. Now think about how many times a player steps on the baseline or out of bounds while another player is dribbling. On the majority of plays, there would be 2-3 players who are "ineligible" to receive a pass from the ball handler.
That is obviously not the case. That was a BS call right at the beginning of the game targeted to "show" call what happens when you call out one of the official's own. End of story.
It also means that no matter where Murray runs, for how long, he absolutely cannot touch the ball until Tyler passes elsewhere or shoots. Now think about how many times a player steps on the baseline or out of bounds while another player is dribbling. On the majority of plays, there would be 2-3 players who are "ineligible" to receive a pass from the ball handler.
That is obviously not the case. That was a BS call right at the beginning of the game targeted to "show" call what happens when you call out one of the official's own. End of story.
On another note, did you guys know that while in bounding the ball, you can send ANOTHER guy out of bounds and throw HIM the pass and then HE can inbound it? I didn't know that. That's what rule 7-4.6.b says.
I agree. It happens enough that this is exactly the kind of call the officials should be required to clarify.
Yep. Don't see it a ton, but it's a good press break.
Throw the first pass while still out of bounds. Then the original passer will usually step back in to receive the ball.
This is true but only after a made shot. Normal dead ball out of bounds plays you cannot.
I get that rule but I dont think that applies here. The ball was in Ulis' hands so Murray would be the second player to touch it. If that is the correct call, then does that mean Ulis has to pass the ball to someone else before he passes it to Murray? I don't believe this is correct. If it is, what is the difference of someone getting the ball on an inbounds pass and then giving it back to the inbounder as soon as he steps in bounds?!?!?!?
I think they screwed this up. The rule is for if you save the ball and then go out of bounds, you can't be the first person to touch it, basically saving it to yourself. I've seen players go out of bounds and jump in, let both feet land and then grabbing the ball and it be legal.
So the refs got this wrong and if the announcers explained it this way, they are wrong as well. Sorry, they called this incorrectly.