Team MVP
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Cliff is most improved, followed by Paul.
Ron is undoubtably the MVP
Ron is undoubtably the MVP
Yeah, it's Cliff. Just means so much in the paint. If he sat out even another minute last night, we lose.
You can't be serious.Cliff has shown tremendous improvement since last season but he isn't the MVP.Harper is the MVP because he is the leading scorer while playing with multiple injuries.The two winning baskets against Purdue and Indiana are shots that few college players could make.He wants the ball at crunch time similar to Baker two years ago.
Yeah I think it’s superrrrr tight between cliff and Ron as well. I mentioned this a few times in December that cliff is probably the best player on the team. I can see an argument for both and think that’s fine. They’re clearly separated from everyone else. Ron always was separated from the pack. Took cliff 10+ games or so.
Season's not over, but to this point you could make an argument for Paul (we wouldn't have gone on the run without him playing so well), Geo (made big shots in many games where we needed a lift), Ron ( many big shots), Caleb ( energizer bunny and a defensive mainstay for a team that prides itself on D), and Cliff (for defense and some energizing dunks). So, to me, the whole team is the MVP since no single player is more valuable than the others above.
So is everyone here ready to admit being wrong about Myles ? Told you so. He was a terrible, unathletic and uncoordinated offensive player and only a decent rebounder because of his position in the paint.
I am sure Im no longer the only one glad he’s gone.
Now we have a legit big man who would not have developed nearly as much while watching Myles continue to set basketball offense back 50 years.
I am sure Im no longer the only one glad he’s gone.
Now we have a legit big man who would not have developed nearly as much while watching Myles continue to set basketball offense back 50 years.
I agree that his offense (including free-throw shooting) left a lot to be desired, but Myles was an excellent fit for last year's team. He was arguably the best defensive player in the B1G. We would not have sniffed the big dance last season without him on the court.
Pike saying this is the best big-man rotation he's had looks pretty accurate lately, even if it is 90% Cliff and 10% Reiber.
Agreed. If you take away Cliff we are probably pretty bad. Reiber and Agee would not be able to fill that void
Cliff has been the most consistent player bringing it every night
MVP will probably be given to Ron bc of the big shots and scoring but they are pretty much co MVPs
I liked Cliff over Myles bc of athleticism upside and offense but would love to have had Myles as a backup. Imagine if we could bring him in against Edey and Kofi
We can point to 4-5 games where we don't win without Ron. I could point to a few games that we win if Ron wasn't in uniform.
Crazy thing is Myles is a much better defender against IU,PUR and ILL.....however we were still 3-2 in those games AND we might not have had a 3-2 record if those 3 teams realized Myles could neutralize their big guys and they wouldn't have had a game plan force feeding it inside and getting perimeter players out of rhtymn
Yea I'm still surprised we did so well against Purdue and Illinois bc of our lack of size and depth at 5 defensively. Myles really did shut down TJD too
All those teams game plans were to go to the low post every possession.
Kofi tired at the 14 minute mark and in our 3 wins I think the perimeter players suffered by not seeing the ball early (at least my analysis).
Kofi folded big time at the RAC. Once the power meter hit red he was toast.
The amount of people who should be admitting they were wrong or off base about most of these kids and Pikiell is staggering, but we rarely see it haha.
The combination of football fans getting sucked into basketball or people trying wayyyy too hard with their hot takes has made for so many terrible takes, or a lack of overall patience.
So many people were crucifying Cliff earlier in the year it would be embarrassing if we went back and read (stone hands, doesn’t know how to play basketball, play defense etc).
With that said I think your take on Myles is a little extreme. He wasn’t terrible or uncoordinated. He was a huge piece to our team but definitely had his weaknesses and seemed to have plateaued. To me, he didn’t seem to want it and was a bit soft. That could have been due to a number of factors (emphasis on academics, far from home, COVID).
But can we just try and be a little more positive across the board? I appreciate what Myles gave us, especially 3,000 miles away. He was a good kid and teammate. We’re fortunate as a program that he moved on which gave Cliff a massive opportunity to step in and flourish before our eyes.
1. he wouldn’t have been the backup .
2. being unathletic, he’d be dominated by those two players and also Dickinson. Plus, other bigs rested on defense against Myles. Cliff makes them play both ends which affects their offense.
3. Mike ... ‘a lot to be desired’ is the understatement of the year. ‘Terrible’ is more like it.
It’s got to be Ron. Leading scorer, won multiple games with clutch shooting and was the focus of every team.
This team did spread out the roles really well. You could argue it’s Caleb or Cliff too. There was a stretch where Paul was the most important player. Geo is undervalued too here. He played a ton of minutes and did everything.
The greatest thing about Cliff is that, as far as he has come, he still has plenty of room to improve! I'm really looking forward to his continued growth.
Not putting down RHJ in the least, but imo it’s not even close. Ron had some stinky games where he was a non factor. Cliff brought it every night. Last night they were co MVP’s
1. Cliff started over Myles before anyway. He would definitely start over Myles now
2. This is a laughably bad take, not to be taken seriously
3. Who is Mike? And who are you quoting?
Cliff and Ron 1A and 1B. Without Ron, Cliff’s leap and at-times dominant post-play wouldn’t matter, as this team wouldn’t score nearly enough to stay competitive in most tough games. Without Cliff though, this team would get dog-walked by the Big Ten’s seemingly endless line of solid bigs, in turn limiting the impact of Ron’s 3-level scoring and clutch play
It's Harper. If Cliff is here next year I expect him to be a top 10 center in the country. He will be that good if he keeps improving at the pace he has and stays healthy.
I have mixed emotions on Myles. He was so good defensively, but he was in perpetual foul trouble, and his offense and especially free throw shooting was putrid. I actually think that all three transfers were addition through subtraction as each loss allowed Paul and Cliff to flourish and I don’t think that happens with them there
I think Chuckie is actually the MVP as the turn around coincided with his stupid post
We don't have to speculate on how Myles would fare against Kofi, Edey/Trevion, or Dickinson. We can look at last year's box scores. Bottom line, I think Myles can slow down Kofi and Edey but would struggle more with Williams and Dickinson this year. I don't think Edey is exceptionally athletic, but he has a VERY LARGE athlete.
If Myles had stayed and accepted backup 5 minutes, it would also allow Cliff to be more aggressive on time on D because foul trouble for him would not eviscerate the interior defense.
Rutgers 91, Illinois 88. Kofi went for 17 pts, 12 boards, one foul. No other stats. Myles had 9 pts, 13 boards, 3 blocks, 3 steals. That's basically a wash IMO.
Rutgers 81, Purdue 76: Williams had a great game w 21 pts, 12 boards, one block. Myles had 5 pts, 8 boards. Montez was the star, going 5 for 5 from downtown. Edey was a non-factor last year with 3 pts, 3 boards.
Michigan 71, Rutgers 64: Dickinson had 10 pts, 8 boards, 1 block. Myles had 13 pts, only 3 boards, and 4 blocks. It was Franz Wagner that killed us the most.
Ron, but I'm thinking cliff has a legit chance at 1st team all big ten next year
I can’t see who would stand in his way. I guess Dickinson? Cliff is just so athletic though
If Myles returned this year we almost certainly would’ve seen our name not on bubble brackets but on the bracket reveal of the top 16 teams. The 2 of them would both be able to play hard straight up defense with 5 fouls to give. Cliff would be a monster on defense the whole game too. No PT issues.
Cliff had many nights where he shot the ball 3-6 times. And most of those attempts were wide open dunks. Your MVP does not have games where he’s not involved. He just wasn’t a major part of the offense because he’s game needed to develop. I’m not belittling his impact but there were too many nights like that. Next year I expect him get the ball a lot more.