No way. Wouldnt have any money left to hire a decent coach
Stop acting dumb and entitled.
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This is Kentucky. We're supposed to be the 'Gold Standard' of College Basketball. Cal's words. We don't compare ourselves to Villanova and other schools who have prolonged down periods before going on a run. We're Kentucky and that just doesn't fly here. You don't become the all-time time winningest program settling for less. Our lead on that record is quickly disappearing like a snowball headed for hell if things don't change fast!
Cal makes $10 million a year. He has to perform every year with that bs salary. No down years at all.
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One thing that will be different next year. More early season cupcakes.
With a normal Cal schedule this team would be like 8-10 maybe 9-9 and on their way to March glory
With a normal Cal schedule this team would be like 8-10 maybe 9-9 and on their way to March glory
before ‘14 and ‘15 ended he had so far exceeded expectations that rival fans stopped posting here, and many here were making the saban comparisons which at the time made sense. the point is the expectations people had before the end of ‘14 and’ 15 were admitted to be non realistic. at the same time cal was passing rupp in wins to start a tenure.
so how can expectations based in ‘10-‘15 be used to make any sensible comparison? that’s like asking a wife 10 years into a marriage why she’s not like she was on the wedding night, every night. it’s an unrealistic expectation and therefore not suitable for any comparison. has he been below par a few of these recent years? yes. does he deserve a chance to get us back to top 4 again? imo yes.
so how can expectations based in ‘10-‘15 be used to make any sensible comparison? that’s like asking a wife 10 years into a marriage why she’s not like she was on the wedding night, every night. it’s an unrealistic expectation and therefore not suitable for any comparison. has he been below par a few of these recent years? yes. does he deserve a chance to get us back to top 4 again? imo yes.
btw op the “or worse than this year” caveat needs to be taken out. we’re 5-12. it’s uncharted territory in the w/l column and absolutely rock bottom in that regard.
OP,
I don’t care if he won 10 titles in a row, Covid, SARS, Ebola, and the Black Plague all are running wild, if ISIS, Al Queda, were issuing death threats, and Hurricanes Katrina and Camille were barreling down on Lexington simultaneously!
Seasons like this are NEVER excused for ANY reason! P.E.R.I.O.D.! GTFO of here!
I don’t care if he won 10 titles in a row, Covid, SARS, Ebola, and the Black Plague all are running wild, if ISIS, Al Queda, were issuing death threats, and Hurricanes Katrina and Camille were barreling down on Lexington simultaneously!
Seasons like this are NEVER excused for ANY reason! P.E.R.I.O.D.! GTFO of here!
This just shows that this train has been in a slow derail for 5 years with this season being the final crash.
Your argument is flawed because of the contract Calipari has with UK. He is making a minimal $9 million per year and has a life time contract. Fans have a right to expect a return for their money when you give a man what may be the best contract in sports. College or Pro.
For all the good you say Calipari has done, he destroyed it with many UK fans with his mouth and his actions. He blew it with his stupidity and now no one wants to see his face.
Short a major scandal, ( which NO UK FAN would want), Cal is not going to be fired, he just isn't. Nobody is calling for him to fired, and he isn't GOING TO BE fired. Let's all agree to that going forward, shall we? Problem solved.
Yeah, a lot of UK fans were truly ticked at the virtue signaling, kneeling, liberal Cal. Keep ALL political crap out of the program we treasure. Don't become a public pawn for any cause/belief/party, etc. Problem solved.
Recruit basketball players with the intangibles : good shooters, passers, dribblers, etc. Recruit the best of the best.....yes but.....recruit the best of the best that possess the intangibles. I've no issue with taking 5th year guys and transfers, but do so with the goal of roster building and, more importantly, building a balanced TEAM. Problem solved.
Stop talking down to the very people who ARE the backbone of this program; who ARE the heart and soul of this program; who ARE much more emotionally invested in this storied program than you Cal, can ever fully understand, or comprehend. Stop acting as though we don't "get" the game like you do, that we somehow aren't bright enough to follow along. You aren't a physics professor at UK teaching String Theory; it's basketball, we are basketball savvy here in Kentucky. Just start acting like you give a damn about the fans and their thoughts, if only a little. Problem solved.
Hire assistants to, ya know, HELP YOU. Get rid of your hanger on buddies; they're grown *** men, they'll find work elsewhere. Hire some more Lucas types, guys who can help install, and recruit for, a much more balanced and cohesive offense. Top notch assistants are much needed, they're's no question about that. Problem solved.
Thus, that really leaves only one question: WILL Cal implement the much needed changes? IMO, the best option going forward, from the standpoint of the program overall, would be for Cal to implement the needed changes. UK could avoid a messy "divorce" as it were; there would be no buy out, but more importantly it could put UK back on top, or damn near it, which I think we all can agree is our rightful place. Our position as the # 1 basketball program is in jeopardy and, damn it Cal, our traditions MATTER here at Kentucky. Just fix what needs to be fixed. Problem solved.
Now, if he remains stubborn and refuses to adapt, he will understand just how uncomfortable UK fans can make his remaining tenure here become; he won't like it, and the problem will be resolved at that point one way or another.
Yeah, a lot of UK fans were truly ticked at the virtue signaling, kneeling, liberal Cal. Keep ALL political crap out of the program we treasure. Don't become a public pawn for any cause/belief/party, etc. Problem solved.
Recruit basketball players with the intangibles : good shooters, passers, dribblers, etc. Recruit the best of the best.....yes but.....recruit the best of the best that possess the intangibles. I've no issue with taking 5th year guys and transfers, but do so with the goal of roster building and, more importantly, building a balanced TEAM. Problem solved.
Stop talking down to the very people who ARE the backbone of this program; who ARE the heart and soul of this program; who ARE much more emotionally invested in this storied program than you Cal, can ever fully understand, or comprehend. Stop acting as though we don't "get" the game like you do, that we somehow aren't bright enough to follow along. You aren't a physics professor at UK teaching String Theory; it's basketball, we are basketball savvy here in Kentucky. Just start acting like you give a damn about the fans and their thoughts, if only a little. Problem solved.
Hire assistants to, ya know, HELP YOU. Get rid of your hanger on buddies; they're grown *** men, they'll find work elsewhere. Hire some more Lucas types, guys who can help install, and recruit for, a much more balanced and cohesive offense. Top notch assistants are much needed, they're's no question about that. Problem solved.
Thus, that really leaves only one question: WILL Cal implement the much needed changes? IMO, the best option going forward, from the standpoint of the program overall, would be for Cal to implement the needed changes. UK could avoid a messy "divorce" as it were; there would be no buy out, but more importantly it could put UK back on top, or damn near it, which I think we all can agree is our rightful place. Our position as the # 1 basketball program is in jeopardy and, damn it Cal, our traditions MATTER here at Kentucky. Just fix what needs to be fixed. Problem solved.
Now, if he remains stubborn and refuses to adapt, he will understand just how uncomfortable UK fans can make his remaining tenure here become; he won't like it, and the problem will be resolved at that point one way or another.
This place is insufferable at the moment. Pretty much the majority of good posters have been silenced and overtaken by idiocy.
Who are the good posters silenced?
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Just a minor correction to the bad seasons list. The loss to K St was not in the elite 8, rather the Sweet 16.
Only 2 bad seasons. 13 and 21
A lot of seasons where Cal couldn’t seal the deal, often losing in the tourney as the favorite
He is not a good game coach. He’s a fearful micromanager.
Only 2 bad seasons. 13 and 21
A lot of seasons where Cal couldn’t seal the deal, often losing in the tourney as the favorite
He is not a good game coach. He’s a fearful micromanager.
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I completely agree that we are the the gold standard. College basketball begins and ends with UK.
Now I'm not saying it's acceptable to have a down year. And I'm not comparing us to Nova. Look how awful things got at the end of Tubbys time and then when Gillespie was here. That led Cal to be here, and got us another championship. There's going to be peaks and valleys. It happens. Just gotta make sure the valleys aren't IU bad.
OP's a rival troll.. the giveaway was saying WWW got us players. my bet is a IU fan
The Cats are losing so often it is easy to lose count. We went into the season with a goal of winning #9. We are well into February and thoughts and prayers have turned to winning 9 games TOTAL.
Dear Lord in Heaven, please see a path for our Cats to have 9 wins this season. It is important.
From those coaches, I’d go after Few, Stevens, Wright, Beard, Bennet, Izzo and Donavon in that order.
Here was the most important part of your rant. Cal has been exposed not just for his inability to coach late game situations but his inability to coach (period). Now at one time in his career he was certainly a lot better but he has taken a lazy path of coaching and is not turning back at this stage of his career. You really think at this stage of his career he is going to improve on late game situations.
The Allen fiasco you mentioned is another good point and it’s not as much about allen as it is about Boston. Last two games for example. Allen played 7 minutes at Missouri due to bad defense. Not sure anyone has played as bad defensively as Boston did last night but still played 26 minutes including all 8 minutes when we went from up 10 to down 10. Cal has let his bias show for “his guys” this year and as a coach your whole team should be “your guys”.
Lastly cal brought liberal politics into KY basketball with a very heavy conservative fanbase. He can take his goodwill he brought the program his first 5 years and kick rocks. I hate the bastard and can’t wait for him to leave.
Won't make a habit of bumping posts, but you just called me a dumba$$ for saying some people here hate Cal here because of his politics and only citing one example...here's another example....YOU! LOL!!............. you said above that you hate him because of his politics. LMAO. You might not want to call people names when they strike a chord with you.
Pretty interesting that a guy that just joined in May of 2022 bumped a post from February 2021 to prove some silly point. This has other posters from the past fingerprints all over it …
Yawn. He called me names for me saying TODAY that some here hate Cal because of his politics. So I simply searched his username and "politics". And there it was. It took about 25 seconds to find. Sorry pal, when someone calls me an idiot for my opinion, and then I can cite THEM as validation of my opinion, I'll do that all day long as it totally discredits them.
Have fun gossiping at the local Walmart tomorrow and don't forget to replenish your stock of troll spray. I think they carry it. Enjoy the remainder of your life.
Definitely ballercal
Good honest evaluation and I think many think likewise. Be prepared though, those you talked about want lerk in the background very long, they can't help themselves.
Hopefully you do realize the State of Kentucky sets the pay schedule for Cal. Most all his salary comes from shoe contracts and media sorts.
Which are a direct result of the HUGE UK Basketball fan base. Without us, the UK Basketball coach doesn't make that much money. You know it. Why try to deflect???
It’s not true. You guys are looking for excuses. Nothing more nothing less.
Everyone has known Calipari was a liberal way before he ever got to go UK. As a student at Memphis we called him Calipelosi.
Do you remember when he was hired? Validation and acceptance from end to end. NOBODY CARED!
When he was winning, going to final fours, winning the title in 12, and dominating rivals, nobody brought up his political stupidity. We didn’t care.
He’s LOSING. get that through your head. Some of you are so thick it makes you wonder how you can operate on your own day to day. I’ve never seen the likes of the stupidity this car salesman has owned some of you by.
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What a life to create a new username once a week? Man has no life!Definitely ballercal
Can't believe it's been 10 seasons without a title. I thought Cal would surely win at least one more title.
The fall of every great empire started with the first of whatever the string of events that led to its downfall. UK started with Cal missing on one or two recruits. Next he mistakenly believed that his players' first crap would overcome his inability to recruit as he did when he first arrived. His misses became more frequently, followed by losing the recruiting war to Duke.
To distract from his obvious downward spiral, he attempted to convince fans that the end game should be the number of players going to the NBA and not necessarily championships. Some fans made it worse by accepting his nonsense and lapping up his excuses for not performing well, believing the next season would be better.
Eventually, we were slapped by the reality of a 9 win season. After that, fans were quick to believe that Cal would be motivated to do better; however, his lack of recruiting said otherwise. Many hung their hopes on transfers who appeared to lose their previous abilities to play after arriving at UK. It had to be all of the players' fault because Cal is great.
A player name Oscar came from nowhere to make UK relevant again but even with a great player like Oscar we followed up a 9-win season with an embarrassing loss to a team that most fans didn't know of its existence before the 2021 season.
I am sure that I missed some things, but I have provided enough to clearly demonstrate that UK's troubles aren't just about one bad season. This program has been trending downward for years and the 9-win season was the culmination of poor coaching, recruiting, excuses and a bad contract (Cal's lifetime). Some fans have become like frogs setting in a pot of water while completely unaware of its rising temperature. Will you get out before it is too late or will you keep believing that next year will be Cal's year? Will you keep believing that Cal will regain his magic even though there is nothing that indicates he is heading anywhere but down?
It is unfortunate that Cal's recruitment of players isn't as productive as his ability to get some fans to believe whatever nonsense he tosses their direction. No one cares about what his political beliefs are. Heck, if he produces, the fans wouldn't care if he is lucifer.
The sooner Cal steps down the better. That is why there is so much heat coming the fans.
Cal coaches predominately Black players so why are you surprised that he would show support for what he feels they might be feeling. Oh, yeah that's right, they should just shut up and entertain you because that is all they mean to you.
Sorry, can't let that slide. Cal's meager base salary from the University is peanuts. He doesn't have separate contracts that gets him paid a direct percentage by shoe companies, media rights, or Rupp ticket sales. The University gave him a contract based on money that they estimated he could bring in to the program through "UK's" (not his) media contracts, sales, shoes, etc.... all of those things depend on ome thing - YOUR money!
He gets paid the same whether one shoe or 1 million shoes are sold and whether Rupp is full or empty and he gets paid even if there is only one viewer left watching a game on CBS. That money goes to the University to pay for it's athletics and HIS huge paycheck.
His paycheck is almost entirely out of the fans' and boosters' wallets. If he runs the program in the ground where it makes little $$ or lifts it to the heavens and makes it unprecedented profits, he gets paid pretty much the same for his contract. This monster program doesn't exist without fan money. If we close our pocketbooks and stop watching, it quickly becomes Elon.
He never could (at least in the modern game). He stopped getting the most talent that enabled him to overwhelm most other teams, therefore masking his grotesque inefficiencies.