Statement from Clemson University

Orange&Purple

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the modern Republican party in two tweets. Keep in mind that this botoxed lunatic is one of Trump's "advisors" now and has been rumored to be his mistress on some level as well.


See, this crap right here is why you are such an obsessed lunatic…Clemson should fire you from making videos!!!

Thanks again for showing how crazy you really are!!
 

Clemblack

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the modern Republican party in two tweets. Keep in mind that this botoxed lunatic is one of Trump's "advisors" now and has been rumored to be his mistress on some level as well.




why is this hard for libs to understand?

each of these people had and still has the right to free speech. Why are you sad?
 

dpic73

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why is this hard for libs to understand?

each of these people had and still has the right to free speech. Why are you sad?
Because she has the president's ear and due to that, she helped gut the NSA of our most competent, experienced career professionals, which makes us less safe. Why is it hard for magas to understand that's a bad thing?
 

cemtiger

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I see. One moment, you celebrate an assassination. Then, when you reap the consequences of your actions, you grandstand with “all we are saying is give peace a chance.”

That’s a quality educator right there…worth every tuition penny.
What the hell are you talking about? Neal Collins is an attorney and a State Representative. He is not an educator and never celebrated Charlie Kirk’s assassination. I think you have confused him for someone else.
 
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clempson81

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What the hell are you talking about? Neal Collins is an attorney and a State Representative. He is not an educator and never celebrated Charlie Kirk’s assassination. I think you have confused him for someone else.
I just went back and reread. I apologize. You are correct. I did confuse him for the others.
 

castlesl

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I don't particularly like it when left-wing mobs get people fired for stuff they said, and I guess the same is true here in the inverse but I
haven't paid a lot of attention to it.

I'll stay in my lane, haha.

where do you draw the line on what can be said without consequence, genuinely curious? I agree to the extent that you should be able to voice an opinion, even one that is considered out of step….

But at some point, if you work for someone, particularly someone who is in the business of teaching, you have to be held to some standard.

Celebrating heinous violence and/or calling for more has to be a zero tolerance red line, does it not?
 

castlesl

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Calling January 6th a "protest" is certainly a choice.

When the democrats encouraged their supporters to take over the Rayburn Office building of the House and occupy it, that is precisely what they called it….. a protest.

When rioters luted and burned large sections of cities all over the country in the wake of the George Floyd death it was called a protest.
 

castlesl

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So someone has to die in order to post something that is a fireable offense? I’m asking for a standard that can be applied with consistency.

That is a good question, where is the threshold? For me it is one of those things where you kind of know it when you see it….. Totally subjective which isn’t good.
 

castlesl

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As an educator (particularly one who teaches history/government), I think it is incredibly important that I keep my political opinions to myself and give it straight down the middle. While I have to right to post/state my political views, I think it's just better that I stay silent on those issues.

Public employees do have some 1st Amendment protection for political speech. For example, if I criticized the school board for its spending, I cannot be touched even though I am an employee of that district. My political speech CAN be limited if it causes a substantial disruption. I think the backlash that Clemson has received probably clears that bar. I also don't really think celebrating a crime constitutes political speech. I would prefer that these professors not work at Clemson.

All that said, I don't believe for a second that the folks who are outraged about Charlie Kirk would be outraged if the shoe was on the other foot (or when it was). That is what worries so much about the world that we live in.

While I am sure your last paragraph is true for some people, you really missed the mark by painting with such a broad brush.… I did not celebrate the folks in MN being killed, my first thought was it was unhinged maniac that perpetrated the act and I am fully aware those types exist in all parties.

We are missing CIVIL in the civil discourse that used to be far more prevalent in society. Too many people go from 0 to 60 in a heartbeat and I am unsure if we can put the genie back in the bottle.
 

castlesl

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the irony



Both of your examples are poor ones. Free Speech is sacrosanct and should not be policed by government (the police). See the UK…. If you say something negative about getting an abortion in the UK you can be arrested and jailed.

None of the vile things being said about Charlie Kirk are going to land anyone in jail. However, it doesn’t mean that people can’t think you are a disgusting human being or choose to no longer be associated with you because of what you say.

Any employer (government sponsored or not) should have the right to terminate their involvement with you if you cross a certain line and Clemson determined that several professors did.

There are things I think, that I don’t say in the moment and I am glad I had enough restraint to keep quiet, b/c with time and reflection the initial surge of anger, joy or what ever emotion lessens and I see the error of my ways.

Too many people are way too quick to type and hit post.
 

tboonpickens

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Both of your examples are poor ones. Free Speech is sacrosanct and should not be policed by government (the police). See the UK…. If you say something negative about getting an abortion in the UK you can be arrested and jailed.

None of the vile things being said about Charlie Kirk are going to land anyone in jail. However, it doesn’t mean that people can’t think you are a disgusting human being or choose to no longer be associated with you because of what you say.

Any employer (government sponsored or not) should have the right to terminate their involvement with you if you cross a certain line and Clemson determined that several professors did.

There are things I think, that I don’t say in the moment and I am glad I had enough restraint to keep quiet, b/c with time and reflection the initial surge of anger, joy or what ever emotion lessens and I see the error of my ways.

Too many people are way too quick to type and hit post.
It's not the element of employment that is ironic. It's the nonstop whining about CaNcEL cULtUrE from the right for a decade now about anything they regard as criticism while simultaneously celebrating a guy who claimed to be a free speech warrior (not exactly true of course with his depraved professor watchlist he used to sic his minions on) and constantly trying to cancel the dumbest **** possible like Bud Light and Cracker Barrel.
 

FLaw47

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When the democrats encouraged their supporters to take over the Rayburn Office building of the House and occupy it, that is precisely what they called it….. a protest.

When rioters luted and burned large sections of cities all over the country in the wake of the George Floyd death it was called a protest.

Well there's not democrats here, there's me and you. Parts of the George Floyd protests certainly turned into riots. I'm not familiar with what you're referring to with the Rayburn building. What happened there? In what ways was in not peaceful?

January 6th was an insurrection aimed at overturning the results of a democratic election. There were insurrectionists there with restraints to kidnap policiticans. There was intention to hang Mike Pence. Sure, I guess it still technically fits under "protest" in the same sort of way 9/11 did but I don't think that's the best word to describe it.
 

willydee1

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While I am sure your last paragraph is true for some people, you really missed the mark by painting with such a broad brush.… I did not celebrate the folks in MN being killed, my first thought was it was unhinged maniac that perpetrated the act and I am fully aware those types exist in all parties.

We are missing CIVIL in the civil discourse that used to be far more prevalent in society. Too many people go from 0 to 60 in a heartbeat and I am unsure if we can put the genie back in the bottle.
That, I will take. I did paint with too broad a brush.