Statement from Clemson University

amynhop

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As an educator (particularly one who teaches history/government), I think it is incredibly important that I keep my political opinions to myself and give it straight down the middle. While I have to right to post/state my political views, I think it's just better that I stay silent on those issues.

Public employees do have some 1st Amendment protection for political speech. For example, if I criticized the school board for its spending, I cannot be touched even though I am an employee of that district. My political speech CAN be limited if it causes a substantial disruption. I think the backlash that Clemson has received probably clears that bar. I also don't really think celebrating a crime constitutes political speech. I would prefer that these professors not work at Clemson.

All that said, I don't believe for a second that the folks who are outraged about Charlie Kirk would be outraged if the shoe was on the other foot (or when it was). That is what worries so much about the world that we live in.

As an educator (particularly one who teaches history/government), I think it is incredibly important that I keep my political opinions to myself and give it straight down the middle. While I have to right to post/state my political views, I think it's just better that I stay silent on those issues.

Public employees do have some 1st Amendment protection for political speech. For example, if I criticized the school board for its spending, I cannot be touched even though I am an employee of that district. My political speech CAN be limited if it causes a substantial disruption. I think the backlash that Clemson has received probably clears that bar. I also don't really think celebrating a crime constitutes political speech. I would prefer that these professors not work at Clemson.

All that said, I don't believe for a second that the folks who are outraged about Charlie Kirk would be outraged if the shoe was on the other foot (or when it was). That is what worries so much about the world that we live in.

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Says he keeps his political opinions to himself and ends his speech getting political and taking a shot at the right.
 

Westendtiger

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I'm guessing there were university employees somewhere who were celebrating the calls to find Mike Pence, drag him through the streets and hang him a few years ago

Neal Collins is a huge liberal. That said, his premise is correct. No one should be attacked for political beliefs. However, he's just grandstanding. How many people have you seen who believe it was ok for the Hortmans to be murdered? I have not seen one professor or conservative social media personality celebrate those murders.
That article was largely an extemporaneous nothing burger. I've read the "Pelosi" paragraph several times and it still doesn't make any sense. He seems to be saying that using negative campaign ads against Nancy in SC somehow lead to a drugged out maniac hitting Paul with a hammer. I cringe at the 30,000 foot viewpoint that some people who try to pawn themselves off as "moderate" employ in the attempt to sound reasonable. He ended up just making moral equivalencies between things in which there isn't any. I had hoped virtue signaling had stopped. Apparently not.
 

Howard's Jock

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Maybe you should leave if you can’t handle debate?

I assume by your username that you are a woman. How did you feel about his comments that women should submit to their husband
have you ever read the bible? there are millions who believe that
 

amynhop

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Maybe you should leave if you can’t handle debate?

I assume by your username that you are a woman. How did you feel about his comments that women should submit to their husband?

I can’t handle vile, disgusting sacks of garbage who celebrate an innocent man getting assassinated! It really affects me. There is nothing to debate! It is wrong on every level. This thread was about the professor getting fired. He should have been fired immediately. Took Clemson too long.
 

CUT93

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I remember when Obama was elected and my mom's mechanic in SC told her "we gonna take care of his black ***". She was ashamed and told him not to talk like that in front of her.

My aunt went with her friend the day after election day to visit the friend's mom in a nursing home in SC and she said the first thing the woman said when they entered the room was "i'm glad your father isn't alive to see this" in reference to a black man being elected.

Obama broke a lot of people's brains on the right, but it had nothing to do with anything other than his skin color. Of course, Michelle Obama (who MAGA people still slander) is good friends with W now, so maybe people could take a note from that odd couple.
I'm not sure what some local trash said to your family has to do with the potus using his office to try and influence jury outcomes and stoke racial animosity.
 

tboonpickens

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Still think it was the groypers? Remember the trash you were spreading? You are a major part of the problem. Even after confronted with facts you kept spreading your vitriol.
yes grandpa, he's pretty clearly affiliated with the groypers lol. cry more.

 

tboonpickens

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I'm not sure what some local trash said to your family has to do with the potus using his office to try and influence jury outcomes and stoke racial animosity.
lol have you paid attention to the DOJ under Trump? good lord people.
 

tboonpickens

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have you ever read the bible? there are millions who believe that
lol are you saying you subscribe to this notion and that there are millions of other idiots who think women should submit to their husbands? amy is a well known brain surgeon, how dare you!
 

CUT93

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lol have you paid attention to the DOJ under Trump? good lord people.
I'm not sure what trump has done(in the future) has to do with obama(in the past) using his office to try and sway a jury outcome or stoke racial animosity.
 

UrHuckleberry

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Clemson is well within its right to terminate these individuals. It’s clearly not a 1st Amendment issue and there’s no state law that would preclude the university’s action either.

Personally, I’m not a huge fan of it even though these individuals are pure trash. I’m more angered that a dude with a PhD in hip hop has a professor position. Liberals weaponized this form of retribution and I’d rather it not continue and escalate from the other side.

It’s also rich that some of the biggest war mongers in Congress are so outspoken about violent rhetoric on social media when they’re foaming at the mouth to lob more bombs at whoever they please.
Agree with the last section a lot. Reminds me of those players growing up playing sports, where they play really physically, but then also call touch fouls. Always respect the ones that are consistent, even if they call more fouls than I would, or play more physically.
 

Rastafarian

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I can’t handle vile, disgusting sacks of garbage who celebrate an innocent man getting assassinated! It really affects me. There is nothing to debate! It is wrong on every level. This thread was about the professor getting fired. He should have been fired immediately. Took Clemson too long.
For the record - I agree! We should not celebrate human loss, though I hesitate to say that completely. I celebrated the death of bin Laden.

I also think freedom of speech is a bedrock of our country. Even when vile and disgusting we must protect it. But that doesn’t mean someone can’t get canned. I just think it should be determined by standards and not outrage.

I thought Larry was trying to get to that point in his posts and is the kind of constructive debate most have said Kirk fostered (I did not listen so can’t confirm).

If someone celebrated Paul Pelosi getting beat with a hammer, should they get fired?
 
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Howard's Jock

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For the record - I agree! We should not celebrate human loss, though I hesitate to say that completely. I celebrated the death of bin Laden.

I also think freedom of speech is a bedrock of our country. Even when vile and disgusting we must protect it. But that doesn’t mean someone can’t get canned. I just think it should be determined by standards and not outrage.

I thought Larry was trying to get to that point in his posts and is the kind of constructive debate most have said Kirk fostered (I did not listen so can’t confirm).

If someone celebrated Paul Pelosi getting beat with a hammer, should they get fired?
Yes. Any more brain busters?
 

UrHuckleberry

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Selective outrage is one of the most corrosive forces in politics today. Both sides are quick to condemn their opponents — sometimes for things their own side is doing right now — and yet rarely hold themselves to the same standard. It’s outrage on-demand: loud when the other side slips, silent when their own side does the same. That’s not principle — that’s tribal loyalty.


And here’s the bigger problem: political leaders know exactly what they’re doing. They push people toward the most extreme ends of the spectrum, because anger and fear are powerful motivators. Instead of encouraging debate or healthy disagreement, they cultivate vitriol — teaching their supporters to despise anyone who disagrees. Outrage is a political weapon, and they wield it to divide.


The end result? People become less interested in truth and more obsessed with “owning” the other side. If you only call out bad behavior when it’s convenient, you’re part of the problem. Until people hold their own side accountable with the same energy they use to attack opponents, the hypocrisy circus will keep spinning — and the leaders who thrive on division will keep winning.
Love these thoughts. Easier to run against the extreme interpretation of anything the opponent does. Happens on both sides excessively.
 
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QuarterfieldTiger

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All Clements knows is building new buildings and expanding the school at all costs. Jeopardizing the 95% by standing up for indefensible comments of the 5%.
 

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I don’t agree. Decency is decency and idiotic tweets are idiotic tweets.
I agree with you. But suspect that we have many differing views of what “decency” means. I don’t view much of what Trump or newsom say these days as “decent”.
 

UrHuckleberry

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depends what comments you're referencing. But here, people celebrated a political assassination. As far as I know, neither Floyd, Pelosi, Biden, or Kamala was politically assassinated. These are not apples to apples events.

Many on the left have OPENLY CELEBRATED KIRK'S ASSASSINATION. They have that right. But they shouldn't be working at Clemson.
When they say Pelosi, they are talking about her husband who was attacked with a hammer when Nancy wasn't home. Political violence if not poltical assassination.
 

Howard's Jock

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I agree with you. But suspect that we have many differing views of what “decency” means. I don’t view much of what Trump or newsom say these days as “decent”.
Nor do I. We probably share lots of views. I think trump is a better president than he is human being. Like the opposite of Carter.
 
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UrHuckleberry

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All Clements knows is building new buildings and expanding the school at all costs. Jeopardizing the 95% by standing up for indefensible comments of the 5%.
But like, they didn't stand up for them? They said they were investigating and would act afterwards. Which they did with one, and could still with the other two.
 

amynhop

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For the record - I agree! We should not celebrate human loss, though I hesitate to say that completely. I celebrated the death of bin Laden.

I also think freedom of speech is a bedrock of our country. Even when vile and disgusting we must protect it. But that doesn’t mean someone can’t get canned. I just think it should be determined by standards and not outrage.

I thought Larry was trying to get to that point in his posts and is the kind of constructive debate most have said Kirk fostered (I did not listen so can’t confirm).

If someone celebrated Paul Pelosi getting beat with a hammer, should they get fired?

That’s another ridiculous analogy. Celebrating bin Laden’s death and celebrating Charlie’s death are not the same. Osama bin Laden was an evil terrorist who orchestrated the death of 1000’s of innocent people. Charlie Kirk was an innocent 31 year old husband and father of 2 and a man of faith who was shot to death. He was a very decent human being.

Charlie was gunned down and murdered while having a peaceful conversation with college kids. Celebrating bin Laden’s death and Charlie Kirk’s death are not the same. Please stop.
 

UrHuckleberry

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That’s another ridiculous analogy. Celebrating bin Laden’s death and celebrating Charlie’s death are not the same. Osama bin Laden was an evil terrorist who orchestrated the death of 1000’s of innocent people. Charlie Kirk was an innocent 31 year old husband and father of 2 and a man of faith who was shot to death. He was a very decent human being.

Charlie was gunned down and murdered while having a peaceful conversation with college kids. Celebrating bin Laden’s death and Charlie Kirk’s death are not the same. Please stop.
He really wasn't comparing them. He was saying he couldn't say he would NEVER celebrate a death. And gave an example of one he would celebrate.
 
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That’s another ridiculous analogy. Celebrating bin Laden’s death and celebrating Charlie’s death are not the same. Osama bin Laden was an evil terrorist who orchestrated the death of 1000’s of innocent people. Charlie Kirk was an innocent 31 year old husband and father of 2 and a man of faith who was shot to death. He was a very decent human being.

Charlie was gunned down and murdered while having a peaceful conversation with college kids. Celebrating bin Laden’s death and Charlie Kirk’s death are not the same. Please stop.
Never compared the two. Just responded to the comment that death should never be celebrated. I agree almost entirely and used that example to show the nuances.

This is where we get into constructive debate because I don’t think anyone would call for the firing of someone who celebrated bin Laden’s death. So that line falls somewhere in between bin Laden and Kirk. I assume we can agree on that.
 
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amynhop

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He really wasn't comparing them. He was saying he couldn't say he would NEVER celebrate a death. And gave an example of one he would celebrate.

I know what he meant but thanks for speaking for him and letting me know.
 

Orange&Purple

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yes I'm not a MAGA dipshit. pretty open about that.

Why not try to just be a decent human being???