Statement from Clemson University

[Rastafarian]

You’ve never hidden your opinions on similar matters.

People who dedicate their lives to true journalism tend to be the least biased you can converse with. I’m not counting the talking heads on tv (that’s entertainment, not journalism). Making an accusation like that to someone like Larry is hugely offensive to their craft.

Not sure why you would go there. Nor even be if that opinion.

 

[Esso13]

More than likely due to contracts or whatever they have to follow a process to terminate which may take a few days in some instances. University is not going to open itself up to a lawsuit for wrongful termination.

Yep!

 

[CUT93]

I was literally responding to a post where someone was trying to assert that distasteful reactions only occurred for Kirk and not for the Hortmans which is patently untrue.

The fact that a sitting senator who is now churning out crocodile tears is the (factual) example I used should bother you a hell of a lot more than whatever you tried to make out of my response on a Clemson football board.

Sitting presidents and senators should have a damn high bar for comportment. Some of us were raised with the notion "respect the office" no matter who was in there, so it would be nice if these clowns started earning some of that respect instead of channeling their inner Nancy Mace.

We agree on almost nothing when it comes to politics, but I will defend you here. Mike Lee was 100% in the wrong. What he did was despicable. No way around that.

All this started when obama said "he could be my son" about T.Martin to try and sway a jury outcome using the office of the potus and making sure that if he didn't get his desired outcome, he would get the desired outrage. Race relations and political discourse went straight to the gutter from there. I doubt we recover anytime soon.

 

[RodnHe]

He's not a huge liberal.

You have your opinion. But he is a huge liberal

 

[Rastafarian]

During Covid.

Listen, I don’t agree with your politics, and that’s completely okay. I was commenting here in regard to you insinuating Clemson staff should’ve been fired after the Jan 6 debacle (debacle differing according to which side of politics a person resides). There is zero room for “but what about then”, in the Charlie Kirk situation.

I think you being a TI employee, creates an off limits area for you and your political opinion, but that’s simply my opinion.

You’ve got every right to say whatever you’d like here, just as reading members do. Not my taste for you to do so, but it’s your right.

Take care

He was responding to a Republican politician being called a huge liberal. Fact checking isn’t political and isn’t an opinion.

 

[fatpiggy]

yes I'm not a MAGA dipshit. pretty open about that.

Still think it was the groypers? Remember the trash you were spreading? You are a major part of the problem. Even after confronted with facts you kept spreading your vitriol.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

lol aren't you the guy who squelched on a ban bet with someone over something political? methinks you need to take your own advice about being unhinged.

Was FP

 

[Kelbo]

People who dedicate their lives to true journalism tend to be the least biased you can converse with. I’m not counting the talking heads on tv (that’s entertainment, not journalism). Making an accusation like that to someone like Larry is hugely offensive to their craft.

Not sure why you would go there. Nor even be if that opinion.

You’re unaware of the history, & that’s okay.

Maybe you could read his recent post on Clemson faculty & Jan 6. I’m certain he knew a response was en route.

 

[tboonpickens]

We agree on almost nothing when it comes to politics, but I will defend you here. Mike Lee was 100% in the wrong. What he did was despicable. No way around that.

All this started when obama said "he could be my son" about T.Martin to try and sway a jury outcome using the office of the potus and making sure that if he didn't get his desired outcome, he would get the desired outrage. Race relations and political discourse went straight to the gutter from there. I doubt we recover anytime soon.

I remember when Obama was elected and my mom's mechanic in SC told her "we gonna take care of his black ***". She was ashamed and told him not to talk like that in front of her.

My aunt went with her friend the day after election day to visit the friend's mom in a nursing home in SC and she said the first thing the woman said when they entered the room was "i'm glad your father isn't alive to see this" in reference to a black man being elected.

Obama broke a lot of people's brains on the right, but it had nothing to do with anything other than his skin color. Of course, Michelle Obama (who MAGA people still slander) is good friends with W now, so maybe people could take a note from that odd couple.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Some people need to realize that we are discussing academia, which has a cornerstone of the free exchange of differing ideas and the tenure system which allows for minority opinions.

Employment decisions in academia require proper protocol.

I mentioned elsewhere that they moved in this situation in the same way they did in legal matters against the ACC. JMO

 

[Kelbo]

He was responding to a Republican politician being called a huge liberal. Fact checking isn’t political and isn’t an opinion.

You’re confused in this thread, and Larry can speak for himself.

 

[Rastafarian]

You’re unaware of the history, & that’s okay.

Maybe you could read his recent post on Clemson faculty & Jan 6. I’m certain he knew a response was en route.

I did read that and am not sure what’s wrong with that. I think we all agree that the standards should be upheld no matter whether the outrage is coming from your tribe or the opposite tribe.

 

[gotigers24]

Clemson is well within its right to terminate these individuals. It’s clearly not a 1st Amendment issue and there’s no state law that would preclude the university’s action either.

Personally, I’m not a huge fan of it even though these individuals are pure trash. I’m more angered that a dude with a PhD in hip hop has a professor position. Liberals weaponized this form of retribution and I’d rather it not continue and escalate from the other side.

It’s also rich that some of the biggest war mongers in Congress are so outspoken about violent rhetoric on social media when they’re foaming at the mouth to lob more bombs at whoever they please.

 

[TigerDMD]

I agree completely but do have an honest question. Does anyone now in Washington have more incendiary comments than President Trump? This stated to me today by a lifelong Republican who has voted for Trump 3 times. It is a fair question.

Wondered this myself - it’s like he has no one in his circle guiding him or he either refuses to listen to them. A little humility and a different delivery would help the message be received so much better.

 

[RodnHe]

He was responding to a Republican politician being called a huge liberal. Fact checking isn’t political and isn’t an opinion.

Lindsey Graham is a Republican who is also a liberal. Heck, a lot of Democrats run as republicans in SC

 

[BYOGrits]

One thing that needs to be said is I love Clemson. I didn’t graduate from there but we’re fortunate to have such a great university in those hills.

I’m a registered republican. 20 years or so ago I would vote both sides of the party. But I urge people from both sides to call out Ralph Norman. Clemson was simply doing their due diligence. Norman immediately called for the state to withdraw funds. He’s a dirty politician and will take credit for this.

All you need to know is when he ran against Tommy Pope, Norman ran a dirty campaign. Tommy Pope is a good man. Norman ran a campaign criticizing Tommy for not getting the death penalty on Susan Smith. Tommy seeked the death penalty in that case. He had no chance to get the death penalty on a woman.

Anyhow Ralph Norman is a fake POS that gives republicans a bad name.

 

[Clemblack]

I agree completely but do have an honest question. Does anyone now in Washington have more incendiary comments than President Trump? This stated to me today by a lifelong Republican who has voted for Trump 3 times. It is a fair question.

I have not seen all of Trump's comments so I cannot answer that question. I can tell you that Trump is not a "lower-the-temperature" type of President. He probably should be here, but he just isn't. MAGA here, but I can certainly call Trump out when I don't agree with him.

I'll also say, the violence is coming from the left. That is crystal clear. You've seen no mobs, no violent protests, no burning businesses.

 

[Rastafarian]

You’re confused in this thread, and Larry can speak for himself.

He certainly can. And I can also speak when I feel he is being unfairly attacked.

instead of this division and feeding into the outrage bait (which is what the power brokers are doing to manipulate you), why don’t we have a productive discussion on what the standard should be for Clemson university employees on their personal social media accounts?

If we agree on that standard, it doesn’t matter who said it, only that it violated standards. We all want speech of university employees to be treated consistently, right?

So if a professor made similar comments about George Floyd, Paul Pelosi, Biden, Kamala, should they be fired as well?

 

[Kelbo]

I remember when Obama was elected and my mom's mechanic in SC told her "we gonna take care of his black ***". She was ashamed and told him not to talk like that in front of her.

My aunt went with her friend the day after election day to visit the friend's mom in a nursing home in SC and she said the first thing the woman said when they entered the room was "i'm glad your father isn't alive to see this" in reference to a black man being elected.

Obama broke a lot of people's brains on the right, but it had nothing to do with anything other than his skin color. Of course, Michelle Obama (who MAGA people still slander) is good friends with W now, so maybe people could take a note from that odd couple.

Your family resides around some bad people. Head scratchingly bad….

Explains a bit.

 

[Esso13]

Has this thread been moved yet ! Lol

 

[tigertown85]

Selective outrage is one of the most corrosive forces in politics today. Both sides are quick to condemn their opponents — sometimes for things their own side is doing right now — and yet rarely hold themselves to the same standard. It’s outrage on-demand: loud when the other side slips, silent when their own side does the same. That’s not principle — that’s tribal loyalty.


And here’s the bigger problem: political leaders know exactly what they’re doing. They push people toward the most extreme ends of the spectrum, because anger and fear are powerful motivators. Instead of encouraging debate or healthy disagreement, they cultivate vitriol — teaching their supporters to despise anyone who disagrees. Outrage is a political weapon, and they wield it to divide.


The end result? People become less interested in truth and more obsessed with “owning” the other side. If you only call out bad behavior when it’s convenient, you’re part of the problem. Until people hold their own side accountable with the same energy they use to attack opponents, the hypocrisy circus will keep spinning — and the leaders who thrive on division will keep winning.

 

[Clemblack]

I remember when Obama was elected and my mom's mechanic in SC told her "we gonna take care of his black ***". She was ashamed and told him not to talk like that in front of her.

My aunt went with her friend the day after election day to visit the friend's mom in a nursing home in SC and she said the first thing the woman said when they entered the room was "i'm glad your father isn't alive to see this" in reference to a black man being elected.

Obama broke a lot of people's brains on the right, but it had nothing to do with anything other than his skin color. Of course, Michelle Obama (who MAGA people still slander) is good friends with W now, so maybe people could take a note from that odd couple.

this is such BS. Stop with the "MAGA" is racist crap. Again, the left has cried wolf too many times. Cries of "racism" fall on deaf ears, and your party is to blame for that. There are certainly instances of actual racism, and even those are glossed over now. Thanks, democrats.


You're right about one thing - brains are broken. These broken brains are the result of TDS, nothing to do with Obama.

Also how many times was Obama shot?

 

[Kelbo]

He certainly can. And I can also speak when I feel he is being unfairly attacked.

instead of this division and feeding into the outrage bait (which is what the power brokers are doing to manipulate you), why don’t we have a productive discussion on what the standard should be for Clemson university employees on their personal social media accounts?

If we agree on that standard, it doesn’t matter who said it, only that it violated standards. We all want speech of university employees to be treated consistently, right?

So if a professor made similar comments about George Floyd, Paul Pelosi, Biden, Kamala, should they be fired as well?

Your last sentence… yes, they should (for anyone killed).

And… no one attacked Larry. Don’t be dramatic.

 

[loveoysters]

I agree completely but do have an honest question. Does anyone now in Washington have more incendiary comments than President Trump? This stated to me today by a lifelong Republican who has voted for Trump 3 times. It is a fair question.

Donald Trump is not employed by Clemson University

 

[RodnHe]

He certainly can. And I can also speak when I feel he is being unfairly attacked.

instead of this division and feeding into the outrage bait (which is what the power brokers are doing to manipulate you), why don’t we have a productive discussion on what the standard should be for Clemson university employees on their personal social media accounts?

If we agree on that standard, it doesn’t matter who said it, only that it violated standards. We all want speech of university employees to be treated consistently, right?

So if a professor made similar comments about George Floyd, Paul Pelosi, Biden, Kamala, should they be fired as well?

I wasn't aware that Pelosi, Biden, or Kamala were shot in public. But if they were, then absolutely any professor spewing happiness should be fired.

 

[Rastafarian]

Lindsey Graham is a Republican who is also a liberal. Heck, a lot of Democrats run as republicans in SC

So you are also saying that Mitch McConnell, Chuck grassley, and Mitt Romney are also liberal since they vote to the left of graham.

Thats a clear way to tell me you are MAGA because the Republican Party wasn’t far enough right for you.

 

[_Puck_]

He certainly can. And I can also speak when I feel he is being unfairly attacked.

instead of this division and feeding into the outrage bait (which is what the power brokers are doing to manipulate you), why don’t we have a productive discussion on what the standard should be for Clemson university employees on their personal social media accounts?

If we agree on that standard, it doesn’t matter who said it, only that it violated standards. We all want speech of university employees to be treated consistently, right?

So if a professor made similar comments about George Floyd, Paul Pelosi, Biden, Kamala, should they be fired as well?

People really don't remember the sorts of things people were fired or cancelled for in the last decade, do they

 

[amynhop]

It’s hysterical to me when guys white knight for Larry. And furthermore, this board is a piece of work. Posters trying to make piss poor analogies with an innocent man speaking peacefully at a college campus getting murdered! Some of you are so disgusting.

 

[Rastafarian]

I wasn't aware that Pelosi, Biden, or Kamala were shot in public. But if they were, then absolutely any professor spewing happiness should be fired.

So someone has to die in order to post something that is a fireable offense? I’m asking for a standard that can be applied with consistency.

 

[willydee1]

As an educator (particularly one who teaches history/government), I think it is incredibly important that I keep my political opinions to myself and give it straight down the middle. While I have to right to post/state my political views, I think it's just better that I stay silent on those issues.

Public employees do have some 1st Amendment protection for political speech. For example, if I criticized the school board for its spending, I cannot be touched even though I am an employee of that district. My political speech CAN be limited if it causes a substantial disruption. I think the backlash that Clemson has received probably clears that bar. I also don't really think celebrating a crime constitutes political speech. I would prefer that these professors not work at Clemson.

All that said, I don't believe for a second that the folks who are outraged about Charlie Kirk would be outraged if the shoe was on the other foot (or when it was). That is what worries so much about the world that we live in.

 

[RodnHe]

So someone has to die in order to post something that is a fireable offense? I’m asking for a standard that can be applied with consistency.

What department are you a professor in?

 

[Rastafarian]

It’s hysterical to me when guys white knight for Larry. And furthermore, this board is a piece of work. Posters trying to make piss poor analogies with an innocent man speaking peacefully at a college campus getting murdered! Some of you are so disgusting.

Maybe you should leave if you can’t handle debate?

I assume by your username that you are a woman. How did you feel about his comments that women should submit to their husband?

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

I remember when trump was elected and my mom was at Starbucks getting coffee. The Tran barista told her “we’re gonna take care of his white ****. She was ashamed and told shim not to talk like that in front of her

 

[Rastafarian]

What department are you a professor in?

Why are you avoiding constructive debate?

 

[Rastafarian]

Your last sentence… yes, they should (for anyone killed).

And… no one attacked Larry. Don’t be dramatic.

You clearly attacked his journalistic integrity.

And based on your standards, if Kirk was a vegetable in the ICU then it’s fair game with what folks want to say about him?

 

[Howard's Jock]

Not a fan of cancel culture on either side.

At the same time, I get that businesses have to protect their brand.

i dont think firing newberry falls under cancel culture...he was inciting violence...that has been a fireable offense forever

 

[Clemblack]

He certainly can. And I can also speak when I feel he is being unfairly attacked.

instead of this division and feeding into the outrage bait (which is what the power brokers are doing to manipulate you), why don’t we have a productive discussion on what the standard should be for Clemson university employees on their personal social media accounts?

If we agree on that standard, it doesn’t matter who said it, only that it violated standards. We all want speech of university employees to be treated consistently, right?

So if a professor made similar comments about George Floyd, Paul Pelosi, Biden, Kamala, should they be fired as well?

depends what comments you're referencing. But here, people celebrated a political assassination. As far as I know, neither Floyd, Pelosi, Biden, or Kamala was politically assassinated. These are not apples to apples events.

Many on the left have OPENLY CELEBRATED KIRK'S ASSASSINATION. They have that right. But they shouldn't be working at Clemson.

 

[Kelbo]

You clearly attacked his journalistic integrity.

And based on your standards, if Kirk was a vegetable in the ICU then it’s fair game with what folks want to say about him?

Dramatic.

My time is too valuable for your bating.

 

[Clemblack]

As an educator (particularly one who teaches history/government), I think it is incredibly important that I keep my political opinions to myself and give it straight down the middle. While I have to right to post/state my political views, I think it's just better that I stay silent on those issues.

Public employees do have some 1st Amendment protection for political speech. For example, if I criticized the school board for its spending, I cannot be touched even though I am an employee of that district. My political speech CAN be limited if it causes a substantial disruption. I think the backlash that Clemson has received probably clears that bar. I also don't really think celebrating a crime constitutes political speech. I would prefer that these professors not work at Clemson.

All that said, I don't believe for a second that the folks who are outraged about Charlie Kirk would be outraged if the shoe was on the other foot (or when it was). That is what worries so much about the world that we live in.

when was the shoe on the other foot?


If AOC was murdered in front of the world tomorrow, and clemson teachers/professors celebrated it, they should be fired. All of MAGA would be in favor of their firing.

This is pretty simple stuff.

 

[Howard's Jock]

As an educator (particularly one who teaches history/government), I think it is incredibly important that I keep my political opinions to myself and give it straight down the middle. While I have to right to post/state my political views, I think it's just better that I stay silent on those issues.

Public employees do have some 1st Amendment protection for political speech. For example, if I criticized the school board for its spending, I cannot be touched even though I am an employee of that district. My political speech CAN be limited if it causes a substantial disruption. I think the backlash that Clemson has received probably clears that bar. I also don't really think celebrating a crime constitutes political speech. I would prefer that these professors not work at Clemson.

All that said, I don't believe for a second that the folks who are outraged about Charlie Kirk would be outraged if the shoe was on the other foot (or when it was). That is what worries so much about the world that we live in.

you lasted two whole paragraphs playing it down the middle...better than most