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Drcats2025

Heisman
Nov 13, 2012
7,991
15,885
93
Wheeler was second-team ALL SEC. You know who voted him to that spot, right? THE CONFERENCE COACHES. That's right, not sportswriters or ignorant fans. The people who truly understand the game and watched him closely throughout the season.

So, pardon me if I'm not impressed by the complaints of people who read a few out-of-context statistics online or watched a couple games on television. If the conference coaches considered him one of the very best guards in the league, that's fine with me.
Over 4 turnovers per game and 22% from 3 is far from “out of context” statistics. 5’10 is also an unavoidable liability. If he’s coming to be the backup, I am ECSTATIC. If he’s the starter, I hope to hell he proves me wrong.
 

track42

Heisman
Feb 18, 2017
6,597
15,047
0
I posted this elsewhere, but I'll repeat it. Those statistics are out of context. Here is some context for how he played, compared to one of the best Kentucky PGs of all time in his best year.

1. Wheeler averaged almost exactly the same number of FG attempts per game as second year Tyler Ulis -- the SEC PLAYER OF THE YEAR that year.

2. On those shot attempts -- which includes the 3-point attempts of both -- he averaged 14 points a game, compared to 11 for Ulis, again on the same number of shots.

3. He averaged more assists per game than Ulis, though he wasn't dishing to anywhere near as good teammates, and, someone has to score for an assist.

4. That 22 percent 3-point percentage? He averaged just three 3-point attempts a game. So in a typical game he was missing just over two. That's not killing a team, especially when you consider it was a bad team and many of those were shots-of-last-resort.

As for turnovers: PG on bad teams have more turnovers than PGs on good teams. A turnover consists of a pass and a failed catch often.
If he was going to Kansas you would have called him a turnover machine.It is what it is.I was hyping up Devin Askew before last season started too.We will see for ourselves how it works.We all want to think everyone on our team will be stars.
 

bookerfan66

Heisman
Feb 26, 2015
9,414
20,139
0
I’d say the joke is on the person who can’t refute anything I say and is reduced to impotent insults with no rational thought whatsoever.
The pure facts are that Wheeler is a 5'8 point guard who is a terrible shooter and third in the country in turnovers.But you are convinced the facts don't matter.
 

Drcats2025

Heisman
Nov 13, 2012
7,991
15,885
93
I posted this elsewhere, but I'll repeat it. Those statistics are out of context. Here is some context for how he played, compared to one of the best Kentucky PGs of all time in his best year.

1. Wheeler averaged almost exactly the same number of FG attempts per game as second year Tyler Ulis -- the SEC PLAYER OF THE YEAR that year.

2. On those shot attempts -- which includes the 3-point attempts of both -- he averaged 14 points a game, compared to 11 for Ulis, again on the same number of shots.

3. He averaged more assists per game than Ulis, though he wasn't dishing to anywhere near as good teammates, and, someone has to score for an assist.

4. That 22 percent 3-point percentage? He averaged just three 3-point attempts a game. So in a typical game he was missing just over two. That's not killing a team, especially when you consider it was a bad team and many of those were shots-of-last-resort.

As for turnovers: PG on bad teams have more turnovers than PGs on good teams. A turnover consists of a pass and a failed catch often.
These are really solid points. I loved Ulis’ heart and play making abilities, but he was never the player to me that he was for most, in terms of what you need to win a championship. I’m not a fan of the 5’10 and under PG’s. There’s a reason you don’t see many in the history of the NBA.

When you’re trying to win a title, and that’s the goal at UK, you want as few weaknesses as possible. To me at that size it is an unavoidable weakness when playing big minutes, particularly on defense, as well as when you take into effect his lackluster shooting.

Is he a top 25 option in America at point guard? Probably so. Is that enough to win it all while playing big minutes? Not in my opinion, and that’s my big issue. Would love him as the backup though if he’s up for that role, or if he just proves my dumbass wrong, that’s fine too.
 

jessieshorts8

Heisman
Jun 2, 2019
5,256
14,723
113
ok but if he played himself into that position than that would undermine the whole notion that he isn’t good enough.
Wheeler and his dad really believe he has an NBA future.He wouldn't come her to be on the bench.The only way I see it is if Cal them him both will start.
 

hotelblue

Heisman
Jul 6, 2006
41,683
13,121
0
I’d be very surprised if he came here to be a backup. He was second team all-SEC.
well if we’re platooning that’s not much of an issue. he wouldn’t necessarily be the most accomplished player to not start. that issue may be there regardless.
 

Tubbyfan78

All-American
Feb 9, 2021
2,845
5,407
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I do think it's funny that you all think a second team all sec junior is coming here to plat backup. Dude will play a lot of minutes and will be a key piece on this team. The kid can play.
 
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hotelblue

Heisman
Jul 6, 2006
41,683
13,121
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I do think it's funny that you all think a second team all sec junior is coming here to plat backup. Dude will play a lot of minutes and will be a key piece on this team. The kid can play.
platooning changes that narrative. as far as minutes go there really would be no back ups.
 
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Drcats2025

Heisman
Nov 13, 2012
7,991
15,885
93
I do think it's funny that you all think a second team all sec junior is coming here to plat backup. Dude will play a lot of minutes and will be a key piece on this team. The kid can play.
I’m not sure how anyone with this username could be taken serious, even if they’re right lol
 
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Tubbyfan78

All-American
Feb 9, 2021
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So you want him to start over Washington?
I don't care who starts. But if you think that kid is coming here and playing backup minutes you're wrong. And no one knows how good TyTy is yet but I've said for weeks; I'd take a 3rd year Wheeler over any point not named Jaden Hardy at the beginning of next year.
 
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BBallin23

All-American
Sep 1, 2009
16,304
7,824
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I don't care who starts. But if you think that kid is coming here and playing backup minutes you're wrong. And no one knows how good TyTy is yet but I've said for weeks; I'd take a 3rd year Wheeler over any point not named Jaden Hardy at the beginning of next year.
Dude if the scouts are right, no way Washington doesn’t start. He looked really good in the allstar game against the best of the best. ESPN has TyTy and Collins as lottery picks. He’s a mix between Knight and Quickley.
 

senonesy

All-American
Nov 30, 2017
4,145
8,431
113
So you want him to start over Washington?
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Never seen Washington play one minute of basketball. I know Wheeler is good and a second team all SEC PG. I’ll let Cal make the decision on who starts. Who really cares who starts.
 

TheDude73

Heisman
Jan 7, 2006
24,193
23,778
113
Sorry, late to the party.

But is TyTy pronounced:

Tie-Tie
Titty
Tee-Tee
Tee-Tie
Tie-Tee
Tuh-tuh
Tee-why-Tee-why
Tuh-Tie

(have I exhausted all possibilities)?

???
 
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Tubbyfan78

All-American
Feb 9, 2021
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Dude if the scouts are right, no way Washington doesn’t start. He looked really good in the allstar game against the best of the best. ESPN has TyTy and Collins as lottery picks. He’s a mix between Knight and Quickley.
Again, I really don't care who starts. There is no way Wheeler doesn't play 25+ minutes a game next year. Maybe we play 3 guards, maybe he plays point and TyTy the 2 at times. But Wheeler is one of the best guards in the SEC.
 
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Runnin'Ramel

Heisman
Jan 19, 2005
35,666
13,527
113
UK fans can be the worst of the worst at times. Complaining about landing a (likely) BACK-UP POINT GUARD who was 2nd Team All SEC last season is the definition of a miserable fan base that deserves all the crap that comes their way. My God, some of you are beyond insufferable.

You think the fact that he was coached (loose term) by Tom Crean might have impacted his game at all? Guys turn it over trying to do too much - ahem, when their teammates suck. Guess what? Georgia sucked last year.
 

Captain_Kentucky

All-Conference
Mar 20, 2017
1,179
1,486
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If wheeler can take his man off the dribble and actually guard someone and NOT be taken off the dribble......sign me up. Any improvement in any one of those 2 areas is a significant upgrade.
 
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hotelblue

Heisman
Jul 6, 2006
41,683
13,121
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Cal will never do that again.It really hurt recruiting.
you can sell that for this season at least. with so many more recruits because of the portal it’s likely not going to be a 6-7 man rotation. and if it is probably only at the end of the season.

even considering an 8 man rotation, assuming 1 of the 3 off the bench is a big, you’re (depending on brooks or a 4, and having a true pg in at all times) letting 7 players fight for 2 positions. i’m not seeing that, especially with cal’s players-first mentality and this being the last chance for half of those to get shine.
 
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hotelblue

Heisman
Jul 6, 2006
41,683
13,121
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and if there is a 7 man rotation we can assume the best players will be on the floor because cal doesn’t need to play favorites with upperclassmen transfers. it would imo be all about who is out working who in practice.
 

sa_hunt

All-Conference
Sep 2, 2009
3,042
2,822
0
I guess I had my hopes too high with the new staff.Wheeler doesn't impress me and I would have laughed at Kansas for getting him.
Then you know less than nothing about basketball. All you base your statement on is a percentage of the 3pt shot. There are many other variables to consider and the team makeup is one of them.
 

ukmelanie

All-Conference
Apr 19, 2013
1,078
1,562
0
Then you know less than nothing about basketball. All you base your statement on is a percentage of the 3pt shot. There are many other variables to consider and the team makeup is one of them.
We also have that he was 3rd in the country in turnovers.
 

sa_hunt

All-Conference
Sep 2, 2009
3,042
2,822
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The difference is I'm not citing my opinion, based on scanning a few statistics and watching a game or two on television. I'm citing the opinions of the collective SEC coaches who played against him, game-planned for him, and then named him second team All-Conference. That has some weight.

Your perpetual whines and laments amount to less than a flea farting in the wind.
Exactly.
 
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