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stuway

All-American
Mar 29, 2007
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If Wheeler can improve his TO ratio that should be a pretty damn good backcourt. I know Wheeler isn't the greatest 3 point shooter but we should have enough good shooters around him this would work well. Bring em on
 

akaukswoosh

Hall of Famer
Jan 14, 2006
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If Wheeler can improve his TO ratio that should be a pretty damn good backcourt. I know Wheeler isn't the greatest 3 point shooter but we should have enough good shooters around him this would work well. Bring em on
I'm not a big Wheeler fan but at this point if we can find a seasoned vet who can backup TyTy, I can see why this looks like it will go down. Will probably be the most experienced team Cal has ever started, with TyTy the only frosh.
 

jessieshorts8

Heisman
Jun 2, 2019
5,256
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I guess I had my hopes too high with the new staff.Wheeler doesn't impress me and I would have laughed at Kansas for getting him.
 

calismyhero

All-Conference
Jan 16, 2010
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Lord. What’s not to get excited about? The guy was a solid PG. certainly better than what we had here. I welcome him with open arms. I also hope the 6’7” *** kicker from Syracuse comes here. I want a restocked roster of troops for next year. I want any resemblance to last years CF to be gone.
 

MdWIldcat55

Heisman
Dec 9, 2007
21,391
85,694
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I guess I had my hopes too high with the new staff.

Wheeler was second-team ALL SEC. You know who voted him to that spot, right? THE CONFERENCE COACHES. That's right, not sportswriters or ignorant fans. The people who truly understand the game and watched him closely throughout the season.

So, pardon me if I'm not impressed by the complaints of people who read a few out-of-context statistics online or watched a couple games on television. If the conference coaches considered him one of the very best guards in the league, that's fine with me.
 
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jessieshorts8

Heisman
Jun 2, 2019
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You've done an incredible job suppressing your hopes. I've never read anything other than negativity, complaining and pessimism in anything you've posted.

Wheeler was second-team ALL SEC. You know who voted him to that spot, right? THE CONFERENCE COACHES. That's right, not sportswriters or ignorant fans. The people who truly understand the game and watched him closely throughout the season.

So, pardon me if I'm not impressed by the complaints of people who read a few out-of-context statistics online or watched a couple games on television. If the conference coaches considered him one of the very few best guards in the league, that's fine with me.
And every post you have is that Cal is perfect and never makes a mistake.You still blame covid for last season.
 

Sparky285

All-Conference
May 10, 2021
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Wheeler is a floor general, and Washington shoots 40% from 3 and can play off the ball.

I think playing with more talent and not having to do as much will ease Wheeler’s turnover issues.

It’s obviously a buzz kill to me, because I was hoping for Hardy. But Wheeler is a role player that has a place on this team, even if he doesn’t shoot like Steph Curry like everyone here seems to think all PGs should be able to do.
 

track42

Heisman
Feb 18, 2017
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15,047
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Wheeler is a floor general, and Washington shoots 40% from 3 and can play off the ball.

I think playing with more talent and not having to do as much will ease Wheeler’s turnover issues.

It’s obviously a buzz kill to me, because I was hoping for Hardy. But Wheeler is a role player that has a place on this team, even if he doesn’t shoot like Steph Curry like everyone here seems to think all PGs should be able to do.
Forget Step Curry.Just a little over 22% I would take.
 

*Fox2Monk*

Heisman
Jun 10, 2009
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Wheelers TO’s do worry me but askew had to average at least as many as he does.
 
Jan 30, 2018
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I'm not a big Wheeler fan and was hoping Wright would come out of the draft and we could land him. However, as long as we do lock up TyTy I'm fine with Wheeler as a backup, insurance policy and if he does play well he and TyTy can be out there together.

Right now we have 8 players.

Waiting on Brooks, Mintz, and Jackson (I know).

If we land TyTy would prefer waiting on Wheeler, but I get it to a certain degree. TyTy and Wheeler give us 10 and with Brooks, that's 11. I can't see Cal having more than 11, maybe 12, I hope so. Maybe that is one more change we can see. 12 seems right with the injuries and foul trouble we have had. We had 11 last year so we need at least 11.

SO assume we land TyTy and Wheeler and Brooks comes back that is 11. If true do you think we get one more and go to 12, whether add new or another of Mintz or Jackson come back? If we do go to 12 who do we need most? For me, it is between Jackson and Mintz even with the others out there.
 
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BlueLegends

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Apr 21, 2021
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I'm not a big Wheeler fan but at this point if we can find a seasoned vet who can backup TyTy, I can see why this looks like it will go down. Will probably be the most experienced team Cal has ever started, with TyTy the only frosh.
Hey Smash, just showing a little gratitude toward you by saying “thanks” for rolling out some great content here. It might not seem hard for some, but I do know it takes some diligence to post the information that is relevant and highly interesting to us Cat fans.

I agree. A guy like Wheeler provides efficient depth. Something we’ve lacked for awhile is depth at literally every position.
 
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MdWIldcat55

Heisman
Dec 9, 2007
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And every post you have is that Cal is perfect and never makes a mistake.You still blame covid for last season.
The difference is I'm not citing my opinion, based on scanning a few statistics and watching a game or two on television. I'm citing the opinions of the collective SEC coaches who played against him, game-planned for him, and then named him second team All-Conference. That has some weight.

Your perpetual whines and laments amount to less than a flea farting in the wind.
 

School boy

All-Conference
Oct 29, 2007
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Get them both. We also have to get a wing with good handles and can get to the basket. Get 3 players and we are in play of a Top 5 team.

Just getting these 2 guards will set us up for 8-12 best team and maybe second best in SEC.
 

bookerfan66

Heisman
Feb 26, 2015
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The difference is I'm not citing my opinion, based on scanning a few statistics and watching a game or two on television. I'm citing the opinions of the collective SEC coaches who named him second team All-Conference. That has some weight.

Your perpetual whines and laments amount to less than a flea farting in the wind
The stats aren't lies.22% from 3 and third in the nation in turnovers.You are what your numbers say they are.
 
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MdWIldcat55

Heisman
Dec 9, 2007
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The stats aren't lies.22% from 3
As the man said, "there are lies, damn lies and statistics." For example, that often-cited 22 percent 3-point percentage. You do realize that he only took an average of three a game? So, he wasn't exactly shooting his team out of the game. His freshman season his 3-point percentage -- and attempts -- were almost identical to.....John Wall at Kentucky.

On the other hand, he had more assists per game than any Kentucky guard of the Calipari era, including second-year Tyler Ulis and John Wall. And that's with a mediocre Georgia team. Surround him with Frederick and Grady and Allen and he might have even MORE assists. If so, missing a couple 3-point shots a night won't kill anybody.
 

bookerfan66

Heisman
Feb 26, 2015
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As the man said, "there are lies, damn lies and statistics." For example, that often-cited 22 percent 3-point percentage. You do realize that he only took an average of three a game? So, he wasn't exactly shooting his team out of the game. His freshman season his 3-point percentage -- and attempts -- were almost identical to.....John Wall.

On the other hand, he had more assists per game than any Kentucky guard of the Calipari era, including second-year Tyler Ulis and John Wall. And that's with a mediocre Georgia team. Surround him with Frederick and Grady and Allen and he might have even MORE assists. If so, missing a couple 3-point shots a night won't kill anybody.
I'm fine with him as a backup point guard but not a starter.
 
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BlueLegends

All-Conference
Apr 21, 2021
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What’s with all the childish name calling in this thread??? It’s reasonable to be alarmed by Wheeler’s turnover and poor outside shooting numbers. It’s also reasonable to trust the coaching staff and their talent evaluating abilities. Neither position is outlandish or requires ridicule.
Agree. And it’s easier to coach to reduce turnovers than to teach natural court vision. And a by product of a better more efficient assists/turnovers ratio is who is on the court to finish those passes.
 
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