Sorsby ruling
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100%. It’s the unforgivable sin and everyone in sports knows it.
I think this kid has major problems when he gets to the NFL.
I truly am happy to see the anger and chaos this has caused. College football needs to be partially torn down before it’s rebuilt into something more ethical and sustainable. Cody Campbell’s response to Georgia instructing their athletics to not schedule Texas Tech is something else.
So now I guess a pro athlete can bet on his own team maybe to win or lose and it's is Ok at least for this Judge - now you will never know if a game is rigged or not. Stupid ruling by a homer judge - it will be overturned on appeal but when will that happen? - probable after the season and playoffs.
In hindsight, it makes me think about how crazy it is that a judge is often an elected position. I'm sure this decision will play well with his electorate when he's up again, regardless of it's a proper ruling.
In some ways, the Sorsby case reminds me of an incident we had last year down here in South Jersey...a 12 year old kid from Haddonfield hit a home run in a little league Sectional game to help send his team to the state tournament. In doing so, he threw his bat in the air, and the umpire ejected him for the bat flip (a guy I work with some that's a very good umpire and is very "by the book"...the kid launched his bat and the ejection was probably the right call). As with any Little League ejection, the kid was also suspended for the following game, which happened to be the first game of the state tournament.
The kid's parents and Haddonfield went to court to get an injunction overturning the suspension and allowing him to play along these same lines..."irreputable harm" if he's forced to miss a State tournament game. So the opponent was forced to play against a kid that should have been suspended. I was shocked that the courts got involved, but you find a favorable judge and suddenly the court can overrule the umpire's decision.
Both are incidents where I don't understand how a judge can rule against the organization that's very fairly sticking to their rules. It all sends us down a very slippery slope in sports.
The kid's parents and Haddonfield went to court to get an injunction overturning the suspension and allowing him to play along these same lines..."irreputable harm" if he's forced to miss a State tournament game. So the opponent was forced to play against a kid that should have been suspended. I was shocked that the courts got involved, but you find a favorable judge and suddenly the court can overrule the umpire's decision.
Both are incidents where I don't understand how a judge can rule against the organization that's very fairly sticking to their rules. It all sends us down a very slippery slope in sports.
The slippery slope has always been there. There is always a line, always has been. If your 12-year-old had given the opposing players two middle fingers in their faces as he went around the bases, he would have missed the championship game and no one would have put up any sort of beef. There’s a line, and you got to draw it. Sorsby gambling of his team of record, that’s two middle fingers in the face of the integrity of the game, from my point of view.
Dang. Well that’s that, unless NCAA can get an emergency hearing, I’m not a lawyer. Modern times, I suppose. No point in my continuing this discussion. I hope Texas Tech loses every game they play.
Big 12 discussing options as Sorsby trial gets February date
The trial for Texas Tech QB Brendan Sorsby vs. the NCAA has been set to start two weeks after the CFP National Championship is scheduled to be played.
www.espn.com
If following the rules of a voluntary activity might cause you or your kid "irreputable harm", then perhaps that voluntary activity is not the one for you.
You, I, and Common Sense agree...but they found a judge in Gloucester County that saw things differently.
Their argument was based on the fact that the kid had flipped his bat other times and wasn't suspended...and that Little League had videos on their website of kids flipping bats so they promoted it. It was ridiculous. I was happy that Little League came out with a strong statement after they lost sticking by the umpire and their rules.
Let’s say TTU wins the MNC and then the appeal goes against Sorsby. Would TTU have to vacate the season and title? I’d think so.
Is that a risk TTU wants to take? They seem pretty dug in right now.
I'm sure it is. It's not like they erase the memories from everyone's minds.
Yeah they take it...just like Michigan
No penalty truly takes away what you witnessed
Risk?
Win a MNC, and then a year later - after winning all those games in front of joyful sold-out crowds (spending lots and lots of $$) - have to "vacate" it in some form of clerical maneuver?
There is not a single major program in the nation (including PSU and PSU fandom) that wouldn't - happily - take that deal today if it were laid out in front of them. Obviously.
Of course, the odds of TTU winning a MNC - with or without Sorsby - are tiny (which is also, of course, why they would happily take that deal)
What Sorsby has done is probably not even close to what Michigan did with Stallion and they then kept their championship.
NCAA was able to sanction PSU because the whole thing was developed and delivered by the 11.9/11 home grown corrupt PSU BOT…
We killed the NCAA which is why nothing happened
You have no basis for any of the claims made in your moronic post. Moreover, you wrongly assume that other schools would not kick any players off their teams if it was confirmed that they engaged in Sorsby type conduct. If you want to know why this country is rapidly going to hell in a hand basket, take a LONG look in the mirror.
Whomever these idiots are (the NCAA?) that ruled Sorsby can still play with no punishment or suspension or nothing are not only ridiculously stupid but clearly don't care about the integrity of the game.
It is already bad enough with the ease and accessibility of gambling. All these ads and it is on people's phones like two clicks and you've blown a grand. I wonder how many people have a gambling addiction because you can do it so easily?
Now we are sending the message that gambling on the team you play for is okay. So many bad messages; like making the allure of gambling more attractive and less risky while at the same time instilling absolutely no accountability with these athletes.
It is already bad enough with the ease and accessibility of gambling. All these ads and it is on people's phones like two clicks and you've blown a grand. I wonder how many people have a gambling addiction because you can do it so easily?
Now we are sending the message that gambling on the team you play for is okay. So many bad messages; like making the allure of gambling more attractive and less risky while at the same time instilling absolutely no accountability with these athletes.
The NCAA ruled him ineligible so we can't blame them. It was the court.
TTU's AD said he's suspending for 2 games today...which of course doesn't impact a real game.
Okay well the NCAA is useless. I saw the two game thing against Little Sister's of the Poor.
This would never happen in this day and age and with so much money in NIL, etc but it would be refereshing if Sorsby talked with his parents and they collectively decided to self impose some kind of ban out of pure integrity. Obviously since he went to court to fight it they were never doing that but for example when it first came down he made a statement to the effect that I take full responsibility for my actions and now need to pay the consequences. You would hope the guy's parents would tell him you need to own up to your mistakes but that is so old school these days it never happens apparently.
I doubt there's many parents that wouldn't support their kid if they wanted to play. He's allegedly in rehab. Not sure in what era a parent wouldn't back their kid.
Texas Tech not Sorsby is who should be making the decision IMO. Of course Sorsby and those that care about him want him to play.
I also don't think it's about NIL regarding him or the family
They can support him with tough love. You made a mistake, a big mistake, and now you need to pay the consequences.
I get what you're saying but have no idea how you think that's beneficial to him and disagree that any parents wouldn't support him in getting his life together to play this year.
It's also weird you think parents control what a 22 year old does. He's an adult even if he's a dumb one.
Shouldn’t the parents finally parent and insist that he sit out the season until he is completely healed from his addiction?
He's an adult--you get that, right?
It's not their decision--how are they going to make him do that? They're not paying for his education
The time to parent him is long past
Also, sorry, but he'd not addicted to gambling--it's an excuse
Well, not saying he would do what they want; but they can advocate that POV.
Getting his life together and playing this year don't automatically go together.
I hope he doesn't have a gambling addiction.
Probably his defenders think he made one dumb mistake, he doesn't have a sports gambling addiction and let's just move on. It's not that easy when you are talking about gambling on your own team.
Maybe they had private conversations with him but they don't make the public. Publicly they should support him--hell, publicly most parents support kids that have done far worse.
I don't believe for a second he has an addiction--it's one hell of an excuse though
I'm definitely not defending him. I think the NCAA was right for suspending him and he should never play football again at any level. If I was the AD at Texas Tech he wouldn't be playing.
I definitely would not let him play if I was the AD. Although you can be sure the oil big money boosters there are doing the heavy breathing to allow him to play.
There are some shades of grey to this I'd think (though I know we live in a world where everyone digs in one way or the other)...his gambling on his own team was for peanuts back when he was on the scout team. He never bet on a game that he participated in, never gambled substantial amounts of money on his own team, etc.
I'm sure he had some level of addiction if he was betting on stuff that he wasn't allowed to bet on, using other people to help him get his action and hide his tracks, etc. But he stopped gambling on his team once he had an opportunity to play, gambled very small amounts of money, didn't lose more than he could afford to lose, never conspired to fix a game, etc. What he did was wrong...but it's also a far cry from those working with the mob to throw games for 5 or 6 figures.