Something to keep an eye on for Sarr

[KyCat]

This is correct and thus why no player in either sport has had any trouble getting a waiver this season .

I agree that this season is unique in regard to reviewing and approving waivers so to that point I agree with the essence of your opinion, which you have made known a few dozen times in various threads. But these discussions have pretty much been from a procedural perspective about what hoops the NCAA or SEC have in place that athletes technically must jump through to secure eligibility when transferring or to secure a waiver. How strictly the hoops are adhered to this season is not really the discussion, at least not to me, it is rather an academic discussion about what are the requirements that either the NCAA or SEC have in place for players who transfer and how the school and the player navigate their way through those requirements.

 

[stoneycat_20]

Tuesday

 

[Catluv]

If they vote to give another year because of Covid I think that will take out the SEC rule. Because he will have 2 years to play the rule says as a senior with one year to play u have to sit out.

 

[kl40504_rivals]

I agree that this season is unique in regard to reviewing and approving waivers so to that point I agree with the essence of your opinion, which you have made known a few dozen times in various threads. But these discussions have pretty much been from a procedural perspective about what hoops the NCAA or SEC have in place that athletes technically must jump through to secure eligibility when transferring or to secure a waiver. How strictly the hoops are adhered to this season is not really the discussion, at least not to me, it is rather an academic discussion about what are the requirements that either the NCAA or SEC have in place for players who transfer and how the school and the player navigate their way through those requirements.

According to ukncincy this year is no different than any other and that the NCAA would not be more lenient in granting waivers this year.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

NCAA appears to be inching closer towards an extra year of eligibility for winter sports.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

According to ukncincy this year is no different than any other and that the NCAA would not be more lenient in granting waivers this year.

I did say that and that’s exactly what happened. There’s also about 40 student athletes who would agree with me.

 

[kl40504_rivals]

I did say that and that’s exactly what happened. There’s also about 40 student athletes who would agree with me.

Well Greg Sankey, commissioner of the SEC does not agree with you. He approved football transfers from one school to another school in the conference for waivers because of the unusual situation with covid 19. In the past these players had to sit out a year.

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — Southeastern Conference Commissioner Greg Sankey has agreed to approve transfer waiver requests for players who switched schools inside the league.
Sankey announced the decision Wednesday night after previously saying schools should vote to change the rule forcing players transferring inside the SEC to sit out a year rather than ask for a waiver.
The NCAA already had approved transfer waivers for Kentucky quarterback Joey Gatewood and Tennessee offensive lineman Cade Mays who also needed SEC approval to play immediately. Mississippi defensive back Otis Reese still is waiting for NCAA approval of his waiver appeal.
Sankey noted a change also is likely due to NCAA transfer legislation and the current coronavirus pandemic.

“It must be stated unequivocally that these approvals are solely a reflection of the unique circumstances present and should not be interpreted as endorsement of the rationale set forth by individuals seeking these waivers," Sankey said in a statement.

And you think he is going out on a limb and doing something completely different than what the NCAA is thinking. It is no doubt that the NCAA was more lenient on waivers this year.
But Sankey said these are “unprecedented times” with players and schools facing challenges because of COVID-19.

“In a non-COVID environment there may have been a different outcome for some of the waiver requests determined today,” Sankey said.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Well Greg Sankey, commissioner of the SEC does not agree with you. He approved football transfers from one school to another school in the conference for waivers because of the unusual situation with covid 19. In the past these players had to sit out a year.

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — Southeastern Conference Commissioner Greg Sankey has agreed to approve transfer waiver requests for players who switched schools inside the league.
Sankey announced the decision Wednesday night after previously saying schools should vote to change the rule forcing players transferring inside the SEC to sit out a year rather than ask for a waiver.
The NCAA already had approved transfer waivers for Kentucky quarterback Joey Gatewood and Tennessee offensive lineman Cade Mays who also needed SEC approval to play immediately. Mississippi defensive back Otis Reese still is waiting for NCAA approval of his waiver appeal.
Sankey noted a change also is likely due to NCAA transfer legislation and the current coronavirus pandemic.

“It must be stated unequivocally that these approvals are solely a reflection of the unique circumstances present and should not be interpreted as endorsement of the rationale set forth by individuals seeking these waivers," Sankey said in a statement.

And you think he is going out on a limb and doing something completely different than what the NCAA is thinking. It is no doubt that the NCAA was more lenient on waivers this year.
But Sankey said these are “unprecedented times” with players and schools facing challenges because of COVID-19.

“In a non-COVID environment there may have been a different outcome for some of the waiver requests determined today,” Sankey said.

That’s neat, but Sankey isn’t the NCAA so any decision he makes is irrelevant when it comes to evaluating what the NCAA has done.

The fact remains, the NCAA guidelines are unchanged and the NCAA’s decisions this year have been consistent with the past two years. The NCAA explicitly stated that’s how they’d handle waivers this year and the data from the AMA staff back that up.

Just within about the last week or so, there were another three athletes who’s schools announced their waivers were denied.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

I guess it depends on Sankey's role in the waiver approval process for players in the SEC. I know he is the head of the SEC and as such probably has influence some regardless, but is a he the main decision maker or is there a committee or others who have this task? If it is a committee, who are the committee members and what is their relationship with Sankey? Can Sankey override a decision if it is made by a committee? If he is not the decision maker then what he says is essentially moot other than what influence he may have on those who do make the determination.

SEC waivers are essentially approved at the sole discretion of the commissioner.

Scotty Thurman coordinates the waiver process and Matt Boyer (Assistant Commissioner for Compliance) will often do all of the assessment and come up with a recommended decision, but ultimately, Sankey has final say.

Sankey may choose to engage the University Presidents like he just did recently, but there is nothing requiring him to do that and he could’ve gone ahead and made his own decision without consulting them first. However, it was the smart decision to loop them in first from a political standpoint.

 

[JoeBolognas]

[laughing] Guy has put on an absolute clinic on how to avoid admitting you got something wrong

 

[dave5164]

I will say this once Commissioner Greg Sankey said with Covid-19 and the Circumstances that has happened this year was the main reason for Approving Cade Mays and Gatewood Waivers. I just can't see Sankey saying we are going to Approve these Football Players Waivers due to Covid-19 and then not Approve like Sarr or any other Athlete transferring to SEC School. That would cause many Headaches throughout all SEC Sports if Sankey starts picking and choosing which athletes to Approve transfer waivers like Gatewood and Mays then not approve Sarr or any other athlete.

I would say unless these Transfers had major issues with the School they are transferring from or if there is problems with Grades. I would say then all ATHLETES from all sports in the SEC would have there Transfer Waivers Approved. IT would be hard for Sankey because he would have every AD and School contacting him if he now starts NOT Approving these Transfer Waivers. Sankey could be completing Football waivers now to get them out of the way since Football is underway and then get to the Basketball transfer Waivers or doing them in the order the SEC Office received the Waivers.

 

[kyjeff1]

I will say this once Commissioner Greg Sankey said with Covid-19 and the Circumstances that has happened this year was the main reason for Approving Cade Mays and Gatewood Waivers. I just can't see Sankey saying we are going to Approve these Football Players Waivers due to Covid-19 and then not Approve like Sarr or any other Athlete transferring to SEC School. That would cause many Headaches throughout all SEC Sports if Sankey starts picking and choosing which athletes to Approve transfer waivers like Gatewood and Mays then not approve Sarr or any other athlete.

I would say unless these Transfers had major issues with the School they are transferring from or if there is problems with Grades. I would say then all ATHLETES from all sports in the SEC would have there Transfer Waivers Approved. IT would be hard for Sankey because he would have every AD and School contacting him if he now starts NOT Approving these Transfer Waivers. Sankey could be completing Football waivers now to get them out of the way since Football is underway and then get to the Basketball transfer Waivers or doing them in the order the SEC Office received the Waivers.

Okay, but you're listing football players to form your point. There's quite a bit of talk right now about whether or not winter sports (basketball) should get the same breaks as fall sports (football).

So, if Sankey wanted to be an a$$ and deny Sarr's waiver, he has something he can use as an excuse.

I don’t trust any of these people quite honestly. There always seems to be people with ridiculous agenda's at every turn. Sarr's waiver should have already been approved, this long delay is, at the very least, a little alarming.

Calipari seems to be confident about it, hopefully he knows something we don’t. Maybe he's in tight with Sankey and maybe they talk often. One can only hope.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Okay, but you're listing football players to form your point. There's quite a bit of talk right now about whether or not winter sports (basketball) should get the same breaks as fall sports (football).

So, if Sankey wanted to be an a$$ and deny Sarr's waiver, he has something he can use as an excuse.

I don’t trust any of these people quite honestly. There always seems to be people with ridiculous agenda's at every turn. Sarr's waiver should have already been approved, this long delay is, at the very least, a little alarming.

Calipari seems to be confident about it, hopefully he knows something we don’t. Maybe he's in tight with Sankey and maybe they talk often. One can only hope.

Basketball vs football won’t be an issue with Sankey. One of the intraconference waivers he approved was for Javian Davis in basketball.

If Sankey were to make to a distinction somewhere, it would be along the lines intraconference vs one year transfer. However, we haven’t seen any indication yet that he’s thinking along those lines.

 

[kyjeff1]

Basketball vs football won’t be an issue with Sankey. One of the intraconference waivers he approved was for Javian Davis in basketball.

If Sankey were to make to a distinction somewhere, it would be along the lines intraconference vs one year transfer. However, we haven’t seen any indication yet that he’s thinking along those lines.

Yeah, so Javian Davis transferred from Alabama to Mississippi state, which, like you said, is an intraconference transfer. But that, of course, is different than the Sarr case.

But, here's the other difference, Javian is originally from Mississippi. So, Javian is not a good example to use here.

But the point I originally made to Dave, is the Fall sports vs Winter sports issue. Basically all fall sports transfers were approved, but we don’t know if winter sports will get that same treatment.

Honestly, winter sports should get the full benefit package here, it was winter sports that came to a screaching halt and got cancelled last March.

 

[KyCat]

According to ukncincy this year is no different than any other and that the NCAA would not be more lenient in granting waivers this year.

He said the rules this year are no different and they aren't, despite some thought they might get changed. I have pretty much read everything he and you have posted on this subject and it amazes me how you continually misrepresent his point. You go with your gut on the issue and I am not questioning what your gut says, but UKnCincy has simply posted what the rules actually say. How rules are interpreted can be impacted by things such as COVID or bias or any number of things but that is counting on a subjective opinion not the objective reading of what the rules say. For some reason you seem offended that he has not gone along with your subjective conclusion. He has actually on several occasions said the interpretation may end up as you describe but an objective reading of the rules as they currently exist does not make it an open and shut case .That does not mean your opinion of what the outcome will ultimately be is wrong, but the outcome does not change what the rules actually. do not see the need to continually hit on UKnCincy for presenting what the rules say no more than I see a reason to hit on you or Cane or several others who want to rule with your heart. The rules say X, the gut and the heart say Y. Both can be and likely will be right.

 

[JoeBolognas]

He said the rules this year are no different and they aren't, despite some thought they might get changed. I have pretty much read everything he and you have posted on this subject and it amazes me how you continually misrepresent his point. You go with your gut on the issue and I am not questioning what your gut says, but UKnCincy has simply posted what the rules actually say. How rules are interpreted can be impacted by things such as COVID or bias or any number of things but that is counting on a subjective opinion not the objective reading of what the rules say. For some reason you seem offended that he has not gone along with your subjective conclusion. He has actually on several occasions said the interpretation may end up as you describe but an objective reading of the rules as they currently exist does not make it an open and shut case .That does not mean your opinion of what the outcome will ultimately be is wrong, but the outcome does not change what the rules actually. do not see the need to continually hit on UKnCincy for presenting what the rules say no more than I see a reason to hit on you or Cane or several others who want to rule with your heart. The rules say X, the gut and the heart say Y. Both can be and likely will be right.

I’m pretty sure that the NCAA BOD issued a statement endorsing the idea that transfer waivers should be considered with special attention to the impact of COVID.

 

[kyjeff1]

He said the rules this year are no different and they aren't, despite some thought they might get changed. I have pretty much read everything he and you have posted on this subject and it amazes me how you continually misrepresent his point. You go with your gut on the issue and I am not questioning what your gut says, but UKnCincy has simply posted what the rules actually say. How rules are interpreted can be impacted by things such as COVID or bias or any number of things but that is counting on a subjective opinion not the objective reading of what the rules say. For some reason you seem offended that he has not gone along with your subjective conclusion. He has actually on several occasions said the interpretation may end up as you describe but an objective reading of the rules as they currently exist does not make it an open and shut case .That does not mean your opinion of what the outcome will ultimately be is wrong, but the outcome does not change what the rules actually. do not see the need to continually hit on UKnCincy for presenting what the rules say no more than I see a reason to hit on you or Cane or several others who want to rule with your heart. The rules say X, the gut and the heart say Y. Both can be and likely will be right.

Excellent post and spot on.

I know all home boards are filled with homers, but this board takes the cake. There is a group of homers that attack anyone that dares post something that doesn’t greatly benefit UK. You are "not a fan of UK" if you post anything that isn't "rah, rah" or "UK is the best eva" or "Cal is the greatest coach". It doesn't matter if it's fact or opinion, if it isn’t pro UK or pro Cal, you get guys like KL that just start attacking.

It’s foolish to attack a guy that is only telling everyone what the rules are and how things COULD go, based on his experience. But it happens daily on here.

 

[JoeBolognas]

Excellent post and spot on.

I know all home boards are filled with homers, but this board takes the cake. There is a group of homers that attack anyone that dares post something that doesn’t greatly benefit UK. You are "not a fan of UK" if you post anything that isn't "rah, rah" or "UK is the best eva" or "Cal is the greatest coach". It doesn't matter if it's fact or opinion, if it isn’t pro UK or pro Cal, you get guys like KL that just start attacking.

It’s foolish to attack a guy that is only telling everyone what the rules are and how things COULD go, based on his experience. But it happens daily on here.

The guy is claiming he never opined on the likelihood of Sarr’s waiver, when he very clearly did. It’s really, really (really) not hard to find. I think that, coupled with “shooting the messenger”, is the reason there’s been criticism.

 

[kl40504_rivals]

Excellent post and spot on.

I know all home boards are filled with homers, but this board takes the cake. There is a group of homers that attack anyone that dares post something that doesn’t greatly benefit UK. You are "not a fan of UK" if you post anything that isn't "rah, rah" or "UK is the best eva" or "Cal is the greatest coach". It doesn't matter if it's fact or opinion, if it isn’t pro UK or pro Cal, you get guys like KL that just start attacking.

It’s foolish to attack a guy that is only telling everyone what the rules are and how things COULD go, based on his experience. But it happens daily on here.

And you post daily negative UK and Cal post. Nice to see you haven't changed. Of course the NCAA written rules have not changed but the implementation of those rules are more lenient. That is very evident. Otherwise you would not have this headline:
NCAA Approves Blanket Eligibility Waiver for Fall Athletes Amid COVID-19

 

[kyjeff1]

The guy is claiming he never opined on the likelihood of Sarr’s waiver, when he very clearly did. It’s really, really (really) not hard to find. I think that, coupled with “shooting the messenger”, is the reason there’s been criticism.

That’s cool, but does that mean he's being a negative Nancy? Does that mean he's trying to make UK look bad? Guys like KL attack anyone that doesn’t sprinkle magic UK fairly dust in every post.

 

[kl40504_rivals]

E

Excellent post and spot on.

I know all home boards are filled with homers, but this board takes the cake. There is a group of homers that attack anyone that dares post something that doesn’t greatly benefit UK. You are "not a fan of UK" if you post anything that isn't "rah, rah" or "UK is the best eva" or "Cal is the greatest coach". It doesn't matter if it's fact or opinion, if it isn’t pro UK or pro Cal, you get guys like KL that just start attacking.

It’s foolish to attack a guy that is only telling everyone what the rules are and how things COULD go, based on his experience. But it happens daily on here.

The NCAA written rules may be the same but the implementation of those rules are more lenient. That is evident. You would not have these headlines otherwise.
NCAA Approves Blanket Eligibility Waiver for Fall Athletes Amid COVID-19

 

[kyjeff1]

And uhh ou post you daily negative UK and Cal post. Nice to see you haven't changed. Of course the NCAA written rules have not changed but the implementation of those rules are more lenient. That is very evident.

Give it a rest. Nobody is saying anything negative about UK. You can go back to camp and tell everyone you did a good job in the Sarr thread though. Sheesh.

 

[kyjeff1]

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The NCAA written rules may be the same but the implementation of those rules are more lenient. That is evident

So how does that make UKnCincy a negative poster? All he did was say the rules are the same as last year. It's a true statement, but since it's not a pro UK statement, you get triggered.

 

[kl40504_rivals]

Give it a rest. Nobody is saying anything negative about UK. You can go back to camp and tell everyone you did a good job in the Sarr thread though. Sheesh.

I will give it a rest when you quit posting negative posts about Cal and UK. So lets see how you do negative nanny.

 

[kl40504_rivals]

So how does that make UKnCincy a negative poster? All he did was say the rules are the same as last year. It's a true statement, but since it's not a pro UK statement, you get triggered.

You are the negative poster.

 

[JoeBolognas]

That’s cool, but does that mean he's being a negative Nancy? Does that mean he's trying to make UK look bad? Guys like KL attack anyone that doesn’t sprinkle magic UK fairly dust in every post.

Fair enough. I don’t know whether or not he’s “negative”, or what other posters have accused him of that. I’m just referencing the people who have said: (1) he opined on the odds of Sarr’s waiver getting approved; and (2) now he’s washing his hands clean and claiming he never made any such statement, while simultaneously and repeatedly acting like his analyses have been on the money. That doesn’t seem like an unreasonable thing to me to be annoyed at.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

I’m pretty sure that the NCAA BOD issued a statement endorsing the idea that transfer waivers should be considered with special attention to the impact of COVID.

Which the Division I Council followed up by declaring that NCAA staff should exercise sensitivity when a student is transferring specifically due to COVID-19 (e.g., the student is sick, a family member is sick). That’s it.

For transfer waivers, the Committee for Legislative Relief reports to the Division I Council, so it is the Council and not the Board who sets the rules on this. The rules are unchanged, as is the interpretation of them.

The only differences between this year and last year are:

• Significantly more waivers were requested
• Media was paying much closer attention to each decision
• Number of schools telling the NCAA they ran off a transfer student spiked massively

The NCAA and the CLR themselves are operating just as they did last year. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have kids like Nike Sibande having their waiver denied.

 

[JoeBolognas]

Which the Division I Council followed up by declaring that NCAA staff should exercise sensitivity when a student is transferring specifically due to COVID-19 (e.g., the student is sick, a family member is sick). That’s it.

For transfer waivers, the Committee for Legislative Relief reports to the Division I Council, so it is the Council and not the Board who sets the rules on this. The rules are unchanged, as is the interpretation of them.

The only differences between this year and last year are:

• Significantly more waivers were requested
• Media was paying much closer attention to each decision
• Number of schools telling the NCAA they ran off a transfer student spiked massively

The NCAA and the CLR themselves are operating just as they did last year. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have kids like Nike Sibande having their waiver denied.

Interesting, where did they “declare that NCAA staff should exercise sensitivity when a student is transferring specifically due to COVID-19 (e.g., the student is sick, a family member is sick)”? I’d like to read that. Also, why is one athlete having their waiver denied indicative of the entire process? How is that different than saying the fact that Sarr got approved is evidence that the waiver process is being considered with more leniency?

 

[kl40504_rivals]

Which the Division I Council followed up by declaring that NCAA staff should exercise sensitivity when a student is transferring specifically due to COVID-19 (e.g., the student is sick, a family member is sick). That’s it.

For transfer waivers, the Committee for Legislative Relief reports to the Division I Council, so it is the Council and not the Board who sets the rules on this. The rules are unchanged, as is the interpretation of them.

The only differences between this year and last year are:

• Significantly more waivers were requested
• Media was paying much closer attention to each decision
• Number of schools telling the NCAA they ran off a transfer student spiked massively

The NCAA and the CLR themselves are operating just as they did last year. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have kids like Nike Sibande having their waiver denied.

Nike Sibande has been only one of 7 denied waivers out of more than 100 according to what I read. That means over 93% of athletes seeking waivers have been approved. That is a much higher percentage than previous years. There was also extenuiating circumstances in his case. Proves that the NCAA is definitely more lenient in granting waivers this year.

Pitt guard Nike Sibande was denied a transfer waiver by the NCAA last month that would have granted him immediate eligibility to play. The decision was uncommon, as more than 100 players have requested a waiver this year and Sibande is one of seven to have his request for a waiver denied by the NCAA.

The reason for the rejection was unclear until Tuesday morning, when Jay Bilas of ESPN reported that Sibande's previous school, Miami University in Ohio, “did, in fact, refuse to support Sibande’s waiver request,” which Bilas believes is the basis for the waiver denial.

In an attempt to understand Miami’s actions, Bilas reached out to Miami head coach Jack Owens, who then claimed Sibande said Miami tried to “run him off.” Owens said that was not true, and as a result, he refused to support Sibande’s transfer. However, Bilas then obtained documents from Pitt and Miami related to Sibande’s waiver request, and none of them supported Owens' claim.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Nike Sibande has been only one of 7 denied waivers out of more than 100 according to what I read. That means over 93% of athletes seeking waivers have been approved. That is a much higher percentage than previous years. There was also extenuiating circumstances in his case. Proves that the NCAA is definitely more lenient in granting waivers this year.

Pitt guard Nike Sibande was denied a transfer waiver by the NCAA last month that would have granted him immediate eligibility to play. The decision was uncommon, as more than 100 players have requested a waiver this year and Sibande is one of seven to have his request for a waiver denied by the NCAA.

The reason for the rejection was unclear until Tuesday morning, when Jay Bilas of ESPN reported that Sibande's previous school, Miami University in Ohio, “did, in fact, refuse to support Sibande’s waiver request,” which Bilas believes is the basis for the waiver denial.

In an attempt to understand Miami’s actions, Bilas reached out to Miami head coach Jack Owens, who then claimed Sibande said Miami tried to “run him off.” Owens said that was not true, and as a result, he refused to support Sibande’s transfer. However, Bilas then obtained documents from Pitt and Miami related to Sibande’s waiver request, and none of them supported Owens' claim.

Looks like you might need a new data source. The NCAA has issued decisions for nearly 300 waivers this year. Of those, about 85% have been approved, which is up a bit from what you might typically see at this point in the year.

The reason that approvals are up also has nothing to do with the NCAA changing how they evaluate requests. It is because the previous school for a massive amount of this year’s transfers told the NCAA that the coaching staff ran the student off. If a school is willing to tell the NCAA that, you’ll get a waiver every time in as little as one week. That’s always been the dirty little secret about waivers.

So the big difference this year is that a lot more schools were willing to lie to the NCAA about the transfer because they felt it was the right thing to do for the kid. I got two schools to sign no participation forms this year that likely never would’ve done so last year.

That’s the difference. It has nothing to do with the NCAA and the only ones who think it does are those individuals who don’t have the first clue about how any of this stuff works in reality.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Interesting, where did they “declare that NCAA staff should exercise sensitivity when a student is transferring specifically due to COVID-19 (e.g., the student is sick, a family member is sick)”? I’d like to read that. Also, why is one athlete having their waiver denied indicative of the entire process? How is that different than saying the fact that Sarr got approved is evidence that the waiver process is being considered with more leniency?

They declared it during the council meeting. It was then summarized in the meeting report (see below) and addressed in the revised guidelines.

“Additionally, the Council approved the Transfer Waiver Working Group’s recommendation that NCAA staff continue to apply the current transfer waiver guidelines for the 2020-21 academic year with some limited modifications. These modifications will provide guidance and clarity to the membership regarding the analysis of specific types of circumstances likely to be raised through the waiver process in the coming academic year. Aligning with the Board of Directors’ recommended sensitivity when evaluating transfer waivers citing COVID-19, the Council approved a modification to allow the NCAA staff to exercise discretion and sensitivity in evaluating cases for student-athletes transferring to a new institution due to COVID‐19, specifically when the prescribed outcome of the guidelines or case precedent results in an impact on the health or safety of the student‐ athlete or an immediate family member.”​

 

[kyjeff1]

I will give it a rest when you quit posting negative posts about Cal and UK. So lets see how you do negative nanny.

Can you post my negative Cal and/or UK posts? I'd like to see them.

 

[kyjeff1]

You are the negative poster.

Please show proof.

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

Fair enough. I don’t know whether or not he’s “negative”, or what other posters have accused him of that. I’m just referencing the people who have said: (1) he opined on the odds of Sarr’s waiver getting approved; and (2) now he’s washing his hands clean and claiming he never made any such statement, while simultaneously and repeatedly acting like his analyses have been on the money. That doesn’t seem like an unreasonable thing to me to be annoyed at.

Maybe I'm wrong - it happens. I don't recall him ever saying "Sarr will not be eligible" He said, "based on my experience doing this stuff, it's going to be an uphill battle."

There is a world of difference between those 2 things. If he said the first, he should be called to account. But he didn't. At least that I've seen. Like I said, I could be wrong.

 

[kl40504_rivals]

That’s cool, but does that mean he's being a negative Nancy? Does that mean he's trying to make UK look bad? Guys like KL attack anyone that doesn’t sprinkle magic UK fairly dust in every post.

Extenuiating

Please show proof.

Just read your own posts.

 

[kl40504_rivals]

Can you post my negative Cal and/or UK posts? I'd like to see them.

Read your posts. Might be very enlightening.

 

[JoeBolognas]

Maybe I'm wrong - it happens. I don't recall him ever saying "Sarr will not be eligible" He said, "based on my experience doing this stuff, it's going to be an uphill battle."

There is a world of difference between those 2 things. If he said the first, he should be called to account. But he didn't. At least that I've seen. Like I said, I could be wrong.

I don’t recall him ever saying it in absolute terms either. And, I agree that if he had just said “I think it’s unlikely the waiver gets approved”, then there’s nothing wrong with that, either.

I think the problem is saying “I think it’s unlikely the waiver gets approved”, and then, weeks later, saying “I never gave an opinion on whether the waiver was likely to get approved!”

I think that last part is what has annoyed some people.

 

[kl40504_rivals]

Looks like you might need a new data source. The NCAA has issued decisions for nearly 300 waivers this year. Of those, about 85% have been approved, which is up a bit from what you might typically see at this point in the year.

The reason that approvals are up also has nothing to do with the NCAA changing how they evaluate requests. It is because the previous school for a massive amount of this year’s transfers told the NCAA that the coaching staff ran the student off. If a school is willing to tell the NCAA that, you’ll get a waiver every time in as little as one week. That’s always been the dirty little secret about waivers.

So the big difference this year is that a lot more schools were willing to lie to the NCAA about the transfer because they felt it was the right thing to do for the kid. I got two schools to sign no participation forms this year that likely never would’ve done so last year.

That’s the difference. It has nothing to do with the NCAA and the only ones who think it does are those individuals who don’t have the first clue about how any of this stuff works in reality.

Over 100 is what the article states. And 300 is over 100. And you do agree then the NCAA is approving waivers at higher percentage this year. Glad you can read the minds of the NCAA and that they did not consider covid 19 at all. Can you read Sankey's mind? I will do it for you and say that the SEC gives a waiver to Sarr. Now would you like to give us all the reasons Sarr could be denied a waiver by the SEC?

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

Over 100 is what the article states. And 300 is over 100. And you do agree then the NCAA is approving waivers at higher percentage this year. Glad you can read the minds of the NCAA. Can you read Sankey's mind? I will do it for you and say that the SEC gives a waiver to Sarr. Now would you like to give us all the reasons Sarr could be denied a waiver by the SEC?

I don’t need to read the minds of the NCAA.

I have direct conversations with the AMA staff on a regular basis. When I say they’re making decisions the same as before, it’s because I know this from direct conversations with them, from personally working on waiver requests, from attending regional rules seminars, etc.

 

[kl40504_rivals]

I don’t need to read the minds of the NCAA.

I have direct conversations with the AMA staff on a regular basis. When I say they’re making decisions the same as before, it’s because I know this from direct conversations with them, from personally working on waiver requests, from attending regional rules seminars, etc.

So is the SEC making decisions the same way? If they are Sankey is a liar.